Proposal Ring - Part 3

[thltetek]

Hmmm.. 0.006 difference?

Have others also.
Which one is better deal?

0.647 D VVS1 $7,100
0.623 D VVS2 $6,700
0.608 D VVS1 $6,600
0.602 D VS2 $6,150

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I don't mean top up $450 for 0.006 difference, but at least 0.03 - 0.04.

From this list, I'd go for either 0.602 or 0.623, though $550 difference doesn't justify the 0.021 carat difference for me.

 

[smileedee12]

The price of those are for octagon cut, not SIC.

Oh nice!!! Now I'm excited Hahahah from the list I would get the one u got then! the one right at the top.. I feel too much to pay when compared with the 0.602 hahaha

Did they just get a new shipment of octagon and cushion brellia cuts in? Because I was suddenly tempted by a cushion brellia around the same price as my ideal cut diamond but slightly lower CT weight (0.651 (cushion) vs 0.72(round))
Top view wise on average is 4.95mm (cushion) vs 5.785mm (round).
Depth wise is 3.48 mm (cushion) vs 3.53 mm (round)
Wah this nt much difference lol

As much as I would like to view them side by side to compare, I am unable to until 10 Nov probably. By then, the cushion might be snapped up already!

Any advice pls? :x

 

[Kkeell]

Hmmm.. 0.006 difference?

Have others also.
Which one is better deal?

0.647 D VVS1 $7,100
0.623 D VVS2 $6,700
0.608 D VVS1 $6,600
0.602 D VS2 $6,150

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0.623 or 0.602 if I were to choose. Also Thnk 0.647 price doesn’t justify.
Visually also nt much difference.
Same reason as the rest. These 2 I feel most justifiable for the price tag.

 

[Kkeell]

need help!! i cant decide if i shld get the super ideal cut or solasfera too.. i already placed a deposit of the super ideal cut 0.6 e vs2. they showed me the solasfera and i can really see what you guys mean by the many many sparkles

the solasfera is a 0.61 g vs1. its 2 color lower and 1 clarity higher, and will need to top up about $700 more. if i want, i can still swap my deposit to the solasfera but need to make a decision by this week.

when i compared both the diamonds, the super ideal cut is nice too but the solasfera has its own beauty. they showed me outside the shop under the sun and the solasfera was like shooting sparkles everywhere the super ideal cut was very sparkly too.. but just different.. dunno how to describe. i'm like 80% sold on the solasfera already... just need that final push.. hehe

im thinking of setting it on a plain ring designs with these lace patterns.

but thinking of changing those lace designs to rose gold instead. any suggestions?

I feel the right side diamond looks nicer and whiter solasfera I Thnk bcuz of it’s sparkles won’t b able to tell the g colour at all.looks v white.
But I Thnk jp SIC are ordy v bling.
I’ve seen the solasfera before but I felt that the fire and sparkles are only more obvious under certain lighting. But if under normal white light and under the Sun not much diff to me.
And I Thnk my partner wun be in those restaurant lighting most of the time.so it wouldn’t justify for the price SIC enough and I rather push for carat.


I think if u kept thnking about it follow ur heart $700 lesser shopping or something. And anyway it’s for life. For Long term. As Long as not bank breaking then choose wad u like.

 

[arsonn]

I would go for the last one. You're already paying a premium for D colour so I wouldn't want to pay another premium for the clarity. The price difference is not really due to CT weight of 0.006 but more of the clarity. VVS1 is 3 levels higher than VS2. For VS2, better to check on the durability issues.

I would get the 0.623 over the 0.608. Unless u really want to pay a premium for the Cs then the top one most worth hahaha

Where did u get these quotes from? Seems a bit steep.. But maybe prices have gone up? Lol cuz last I know, 0.72 F VS2 was $6,750..

Got the quotes from JP recently lor.
I reserved the 0.602 one.
AGS 104093370026

Now thinking wanna change to 0.623 anot.

 

[smileedee12]

Got the quotes from JP recently lor.
I reserved the 0.602 one.
AGS 104093370026

Now thinking wanna change to 0.623 anot.

View wise not much difference.. I'd rather keep the money to go to settings or smth else hahaha

 

[LindaLiao]

solasfera is the right side one. i got other videos of it too.. haha. i uploaded them. i got more videos but the rest is abit blur.

super ideal cut good point is the bigger flashes and sparks. solasfera is got many many flashes and sparks but will be smaller. as a whole when i see the diamond from a far distance, i find the solasfera overall can look more sparkly in a way

Can see the solasfera on the right sparkles more but in a different way. Both will look nice la. Just see which one you prefer more.

 

[arsonn]

View wise not much difference.. I'd rather keep the money to go to settings or smth else hahaha

By the way, how do I check for durability issues for this VS2 as you mentioned previously?

 

[smileedee12]

By the way, how do I check for durability issues for this VS2 as you mentioned previously?

Qouting from an email I received back then when I asked about clarity:
"When talking about diamond impurities, these are the main concern:
- Durability (prone to chipping or cracks)
- Eye clean (impurities that can be seen with the naked eye)
- Milky/haziness (blurry or oily appearance)"

Not sure if u can tell from that, just need to look out for the location of the impurities. One of the past posts mentioned that you wouldn't want things like feather or needle along the edges or girdle of the diamond. Took a quick look at your cert and your diamond looks good, as with other JP's diamonds

 

[arsonn]

Alright. Thanks for the note. Now waiting for render to be ready. Took side diamonds settings.

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[evelynleebali]

I feel the right side diamond looks nicer and whiter solasfera I Thnk bcuz of it’s sparkles won’t b able to tell the g colour at all.looks v white.
But I Thnk jp SIC are ordy v bling.
I’ve seen the solasfera before but I felt that the fire and sparkles are only more obvious under certain lighting. But if under normal white light and under the Sun not much diff to me.
And I Thnk my partner wun be in those restaurant lighting most of the time.so it wouldn’t justify for the price SIC enough and I rather push for carat.


I think if u kept thnking about it follow ur heart $700 lesser shopping or something. And anyway it’s for life. For Long term. As Long as not bank breaking then choose wad u like.

ya, the color is hard to see esp for the solasfera. i kept thinking of the solasfera until cannot sleep.. haha. my bf decided for me on the solasfera. he likes it too and since i keep thinking about it then shld go for it. i'll be wearing it everyday and dont plan to upgrade in the future. so we chose something that we both like.

this is the scopes for my solasfera

 

[blurpandasg2014]

Does JP help bring in diamonds from online dealers and help do scope analysis

 

[behling]

So i read thru the trilogy of proposal rings part i, ii and now iii. almost died. studied the various 4c, scopes, HCA. received further education from JP. visited poh kim so here is where im at. in short getting a ring budget 4k with setting (plain design).

JP showed me a couple of diamonds all SIC, did not get to see the GIA certs or Scopes but im assuming they are more or less what the bros posted here in terms of quality of the scopes since its SIC and from JP. will follow up on getting the cert specs and scopes in detail.

0.41 D VVS2 $2950
0.41 E VVS1 $2850
0.43 D VS1 $3050
0.43 E VVS2 $2900
0.51 G VS2 $3700
0.53 G VS1 $3900
0.54 G VS1 $4100

all rings setting quoted at $550.

poh kim's visit. saw 3 diamonds. was given a scope for viewing, if i were to rate JP's Scopes posted here and the scopes i saw during my education at JP at 100%. poh kim's diamonds would be 85-90% of wat JP's ones are. in short the arrows are straight but not as straight, the hearts are symectrical but still intact, evident whitemini triangles of light leakage in the centre of the idealscope. its not to say poh's diamonds are totally bad cuts. i would jsut say its not as top tier as JP. below are the specs, HCA scores using GIA certs that i saw from the diamonds entered into HCA to get the following results.

0.55 E VS2 $3000
HCA 1.4
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation very good
-spread very good

0.59 F VS2 $3150
HCA 1
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

0.61 F VS2 $3400
HCA 0.8
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

Settinig $250.

i've enquired with JP to request for similar specs of diamonds with ideal cuts rather then SIC and will report my findings tomorrow.

in the mean time here is where im having a dillemma. with a limited budget its impossible to get every 4c top top top. we all learn that CUT is the most important factor and should not be sacrificed.

knowing that i'll be within a caret size of 0.4 to 0.59, at that size VS2 clarity shld suffice assuming the inclusions are spread and not clustered in the centre. at this size range color D would be unecssary as i wont be able to tell E and F from D. G im not quite sure yet.

my main question would be, given tat a 0.41 and 0.59 caret diamond size being noticable in size difference to ANYbody's naked eye. would it be wise to sacrifice the SIC cut for a ideal cut for a trade off of a larger diamond. or would a 0.41 SIC have the same noticeable brillance and scintillation compared to just a ideal cut 0.59 diamond.

in short does the 0.59 size outweigh (no pun intended) the 0.41? or the "bling" of the 0.41 have greater prominence over the 0.59?

as we cant borrow 1 diamond from 1 retailer and A/B side by side with another diamond from another retailer. im interested to hear the opinions of those who have owned multiple diamonds to give their 2cents. my fear is that the 0.59 thou larger in size will, as they say look noticeably "duller", that itself kinda makes the larger in size "better" argument moot.

cheers

edited: grammar

 

[smileedee12]

Does JP help bring in diamonds from online dealers and help do scope analysis

I believe if u have the cert number, and the diamond is from an online inventory, they will be able to bring it in for you, but I believe you will be making payment to them as though buying from them. Doubt they will do scope analysis prior to bringing it in for you. Best is to directly enquire with them.

 

[smileedee12]

So i read thru the trilogy of proposal rings part i, ii and now iii. almost died. studied the various 4c, scopes, HCA. received further education from JP. visited poh kim so here is where im at. in short getting a ring budget 4k with setting (plain design).

JP showed me a couple of diamonds all SIC, did not get to see the GIA certs or Scopes but im assuming they are more or less what the bros posted here in terms of quality of the scopes since its SIC and from JP. will follow up on getting the cert specs and scopes in detail.

0.41 D VVS2 $2950
0.41 E VVS1 $2850
0.43 D VS1 $3050
0.43 E VVS2 $2900
0.51 G VS2 $3700
0.53 G VS1 $3900
0.54 G VS1 $4100

all rings setting quoted at $550.

poh kim's visit. saw 3 diamonds. was given a scope for viewing, if i were to rate JP's Scopes posted here and the scopes i saw during my education at JP at 100%. poh kim's diamonds would be 85-90% of wat JP's ones are. in short the arrows are straight but not as straight, the hearts are symectrical but still intact, evident whitemini triangles of light leakage in the centre of the idealscope. its not to say poh's diamonds are totally bad cuts. i would jsut say its not as top tier as JP. below are the specs, HCA scores using GIA certs that i saw from the diamonds entered into HCA to get the following results.

0.55 E VS2 $3000
HCA 1.4
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation very good
-spread very good

0.59 F VS2 $3150
HCA 1
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

0.61 F VS2 $3400
HCA 0.8
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

Settinig $250.

i've enquired with JP to request for similar specs of diamonds with ideal cuts rather then SIC and will report my findings tomorrow.

in the mean time here is where im having a dillemma. with a limited budget its impossible to get every 4c top top top. we all learn that CUT is the most important factor and should not be sacrificed.

knowing that i'll be within a caret size of 0.4 to 0.59, at that size VS2 clarity shld suffice assuming the inclusions are spread and not clustered in the centre. at this size range color D would be unecssary as i wont be able to tell E and F from D. G im not quite sure yet.

my main question would be, given tat a 0.41 and 0.59 caret diamond size being noticable in size difference to ANYbody's naked eye. would it be wise to sacrifice the SIC cut for a ideal cut for a trade off of a larger diamond. or would a 0.41 SIC have the same noticeable brillance and scintillation compared to just a ideal cut 0.59 diamond.

in short does the 0.59 size outweigh (no pun intended) the 0.41? or the "bling" of the 0.41 have greater prominence over the 0.59?

as we cant borrow 1 diamond from 1 retailer and A/B side by side with another diamond from another retailer. im interested to hear the opinions of those who have owned multiple diamonds to give their 2cents. my fear is that the 0.59 thou larger in size will, as they say look noticeably "duller", that itself kinda makes the larger in size "better" argument moot.

cheers

edited: grammar

Hi there! I also read through all the posts!

From the list from JP, I would say the 0.51 G VS2 is the best buy! but it would bust your budget by $250. Do you think it's worth it? The next best is 0.43 E VVS2 but I feel top wise can tell the slight size difference. However, if you're not getting the 0.51 due to budget constraints and no time to wait for next shipment (which I have no idea when), I would propose asking for ideal cuts so you could hit the 0.5 CT weight. Do caution though that for the ideal cuts, you really have to look through the scopes carefully cuz their range of quality quite big x.x

For Poh Kim, I would avoid 0.55. Actually if you're at such shops, should ask if you're able to view the diamonds under natural lighting so u could compare.. Especially when they don't provide ASET scope to view the diamond. Another alternative (if I'm not wrong) is taking a piece of paper and just have some scribble lines and see if they allow u to put the diamond there to turn turn around different angles to check for light leakage (cuz light leakage would mean u can see through the diamond and see ur scribble lines).

As for the hearts, is it just me? I've seen quite a few relatively symmetrical hearts and arrows but what bugs me are the cracks of the heart (top middle). Not that obvious but once I see them I can't unseen them.. I believe they affect something too right? Could someone please enlighten me?

Anyway, as a lady, I really don't want a dull-looking ring. It doesn't have to be "perfect" but if you're getting a diamond, then it better bling well. And I always feel, half carat is a sweet spot haha..

But in all honesty, really depends on your tolerance level and how particular your partner is

 

[behling]

Hi there! I also read through all the posts!

From the list from JP, I would say the 0.51 G VS2 is the best buy! but it would bust your budget by $250. Do you think it's worth it? The next best is 0.43 E VVS2 but I feel top wise can tell the slight size difference. However, if you're not getting the 0.51 due to budget constraints and no time to wait for next shipment (which I have no idea when), I would propose asking for ideal cuts so you could hit the 0.5 CT weight. Do caution though that for the ideal cuts, you really have to look through the scopes carefully cuz their range of quality quite big x.x

For Poh Kim, I would avoid 0.55. Actually if you're at such shops, should ask if you're able to view the diamonds under natural lighting so u could compare.. Especially when they don't provide ASET scope to view the diamond. Another alternative (if I'm not wrong) is taking a piece of paper and just have some scribble lines and see if they allow u to put the diamond there to turn turn around different angles to check for light leakage (cuz light leakage would mean u can see through the diamond and see ur scribble lines).

As for the hearts, is it just me? I've seen quite a few relatively symmetrical hearts and arrows but what bugs me are the cracks of the heart (top middle). Not that obvious but once I see them I can't unseen them.. I believe they affect something too right? Could someone please enlighten me?

Anyway, as a lady, I really don't want a dull-looking ring. It doesn't have to be "perfect" but if you're getting a diamond, then it better bling well. And I always feel, half carat is a sweet spot haha..

But in all honesty, really depends on your tolerance level and how particular your partner is

the leap from 0.43 to 0.51 is $800 about 20%. i would not mind upping my budget, but for 20% increase in budget im not exactly sure it is going to be worth it. i will have to reloook at it again to see if the 800 is worth paying for the extra size however that would have me sacrifice the DEF colorless range for G which again i would have to consirder. i have pondered had come to the conclusion that as VVS2 vs VS1/2 is only visible to the eye under 10x magnification its not worth a stat im paying the extra for. more so that im getting a diamond at the size of 0.4-0.59. maybe it would affect a >1carot.

As you have suggested i did earlier arrange with JP to view a couple of ideal cut diamonds with similar specs that poh kim provided hoping to see how it looks side by side with the SIC ones. will updated tmr.

i may have to visiti poh kim again as my visit with them was alittle rushed

1) see 3 diamonds
2) tell them which you u dont want
3) glance at the scope from top/bottom
4) do you want to commit to purchase?

felt little commercial.

i share the same view as you on "the dull diamond". i would not sacrifice a minor increase in size for the scintillation and brillance of a diamond. after all isnt that the point of getting a diamond for the stones ability to "shine" innately. will report my findings again tomorrow.

cheers

 

[MyPrelovedTiffany]

So i read thru the trilogy of proposal rings part i, ii and now iii. almost died. studied the various 4c, scopes, HCA. received further education from JP. visited poh kim so here is where im at. in short getting a ring budget 4k with setting (plain design).

JP showed me a couple of diamonds all SIC, did not get to see the GIA certs or Scopes but im assuming they are more or less what the bros posted here in terms of quality of the scopes since its SIC and from JP. will follow up on getting the cert specs and scopes in detail.

0.41 D VVS2 $2950
0.41 E VVS1 $2850
0.43 D VS1 $3050
0.43 E VVS2 $2900
0.51 G VS2 $3700
0.53 G VS1 $3900
0.54 G VS1 $4100

all rings setting quoted at $550.

poh kim's visit. saw 3 diamonds. was given a scope for viewing, if i were to rate JP's Scopes posted here and the scopes i saw during my education at JP at 100%. poh kim's diamonds would be 85-90% of wat JP's ones are. in short the arrows are straight but not as straight, the hearts are symectrical but still intact, evident whitemini triangles of light leakage in the centre of the idealscope. its not to say poh's diamonds are totally bad cuts. i would jsut say its not as top tier as JP. below are the specs, HCA scores using GIA certs that i saw from the diamonds entered into HCA to get the following results.

0.55 E VS2 $3000
HCA 1.4
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation very good
-spread very good

0.59 F VS2 $3150
HCA 1
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

0.61 F VS2 $3400
HCA 0.8
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

Settinig $250.

i've enquired with JP to request for similar specs of diamonds with ideal cuts rather then SIC and will report my findings tomorrow.

in the mean time here is where im having a dillemma. with a limited budget its impossible to get every 4c top top top. we all learn that CUT is the most important factor and should not be sacrificed.

knowing that i'll be within a caret size of 0.4 to 0.59, at that size VS2 clarity shld suffice assuming the inclusions are spread and not clustered in the centre. at this size range color D would be unecssary as i wont be able to tell E and F from D. G im not quite sure yet.

my main question would be, given tat a 0.41 and 0.59 caret diamond size being noticable in size difference to ANYbody's naked eye. would it be wise to sacrifice the SIC cut for a ideal cut for a trade off of a larger diamond. or would a 0.41 SIC have the same noticeable brillance and scintillation compared to just a ideal cut 0.59 diamond.

in short does the 0.59 size outweigh (no pun intended) the 0.41? or the "bling" of the 0.41 have greater prominence over the 0.59?

as we cant borrow 1 diamond from 1 retailer and A/B side by side with another diamond from another retailer. im interested to hear the opinions of those who have owned multiple diamonds to give their 2cents. my fear is that the 0.59 thou larger in size will, as they say look noticeably "duller", that itself kinda makes the larger in size "better" argument moot.

cheers

edited: grammar

Hi, not sure if you’d be interested. I have a T&Co. Solitaire diamond ring for sale at S3900, 0.47ct, H, VS2, 3EX H&C. Original cert missing and diamond was graded by a renowned gem lab in Japan.

 

[blurpandasg2014]

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0.55 E VS2 $3000
HCA 1.4
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation very good
-spread very good

0.59 F VS2 $3150
HCA 1
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

0.61 F VS2 $3400
HCA 0.8
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

Settinig $250.

Personally I would go for the 0.62F colour. Good deal assuming that the crown angle is 34/34.5 and pavilion angle 40.6/40.8

Perhaps u can share with us the dimensions

 

[behling]

Personally I would go for the 0.62F colour. Good deal assuming that the crown angle is 34/34.5 and pavilion angle 40.6/40.8

Perhaps u can share with us the dimensions

you are right the GIA cert states crown angel 34, pavilion angle 40.8.
they reason i did not pick it over the 0.59 one was becos the ideal scope had the worst images of the three placed infront of me. not saying its bad. think of it as ranked 3rd. the amount of mini-white triangles had the most and the alignement of the arrows and hearts were not as good as the .55 and .59

 

[Mooxie]

So i read thru the trilogy of proposal rings part i, ii and now iii. almost died. studied the various 4c, scopes, HCA. received further education from JP. visited poh kim so here is where im at. in short getting a ring budget 4k with setting (plain design).

JP showed me a couple of diamonds all SIC, did not get to see the GIA certs or Scopes but im assuming they are more or less what the bros posted here in terms of quality of the scopes since its SIC and from JP. will follow up on getting the cert specs and scopes in detail.

0.41 D VVS2 $2950
0.41 E VVS1 $2850
0.43 D VS1 $3050
0.43 E VVS2 $2900
0.51 G VS2 $3700
0.53 G VS1 $3900
0.54 G VS1 $4100

all rings setting quoted at $550.

poh kim's visit. saw 3 diamonds. was given a scope for viewing, if i were to rate JP's Scopes posted here and the scopes i saw during my education at JP at 100%. poh kim's diamonds would be 85-90% of wat JP's ones are. in short the arrows are straight but not as straight, the hearts are symectrical but still intact, evident whitemini triangles of light leakage in the centre of the idealscope. its not to say poh's diamonds are totally bad cuts. i would jsut say its not as top tier as JP. below are the specs, HCA scores using GIA certs that i saw from the diamonds entered into HCA to get the following results.

0.55 E VS2 $3000
HCA 1.4
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation very good
-spread very good

0.59 F VS2 $3150
HCA 1
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

0.61 F VS2 $3400
HCA 0.8
-light return excellent
-fire excellent
-scintillation excellent
-spread very good

Settinig $250.

i've enquired with JP to request for similar specs of diamonds with ideal cuts rather then SIC and will report my findings tomorrow.

in the mean time here is where im having a dillemma. with a limited budget its impossible to get every 4c top top top. we all learn that CUT is the most important factor and should not be sacrificed.

knowing that i'll be within a caret size of 0.4 to 0.59, at that size VS2 clarity shld suffice assuming the inclusions are spread and not clustered in the centre. at this size range color D would be unecssary as i wont be able to tell E and F from D. G im not quite sure yet.

my main question would be, given tat a 0.41 and 0.59 caret diamond size being noticable in size difference to ANYbody's naked eye. would it be wise to sacrifice the SIC cut for a ideal cut for a trade off of a larger diamond. or would a 0.41 SIC have the same noticeable brillance and scintillation compared to just a ideal cut 0.59 diamond.

in short does the 0.59 size outweigh (no pun intended) the 0.41? or the "bling" of the 0.41 have greater prominence over the 0.59?

as we cant borrow 1 diamond from 1 retailer and A/B side by side with another diamond from another retailer. im interested to hear the opinions of those who have owned multiple diamonds to give their 2cents. my fear is that the 0.59 thou larger in size will, as they say look noticeably "duller", that itself kinda makes the larger in size "better" argument moot.

cheers

edited: grammar

What color will your ring setting be? If it is rose gold, G color will be alright because it will reflect some of the color from the ring itself either ways.

Totally understand the constant struggle between choosing size or sparkle, I suggest to go for size because since they are already the 3EX/Ideal cut quality, the difference in sparkle is not as great as the difference in size (0.41 vs 0.59)

If you're going for a VS2, do take note where the inclusions are and what type of inclusions they are. If you have the cert number I can help you take a look.

With a 4K budget, should try to get at least a 0.5