Proposal Ring - Part 3

[shin7829]

Is hong kong or singapore jewel shop cheaper ?

 

[summersky1986]

Hong Kong

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[CheeRs87]

Is hong kong or singapore jewel shop cheaper ?

I compared with HK before. Those chain stores like chow tai fook, lukfook, etc. is like their branded stores. They are like everywhere. Price wise isn't cheap either since its more for the brand. But you do get to save on the tax. So if you're getting a ''branded'' diamond, HK will be cheaper for the tax. Another problem is that they dont have the scopes.. so can't really check the quality.

If you want quality for value, then its SG.

 

[shin7829]

Wa appreciate the comments.

Do they also issue certificate if buy diamond from them ?
I may intend to visit 周生生

 

[CheeRs87]

Wa appreciate the comments.

Do they also issue certificate if buy diamond from them ?
I may intend to visit 周生生

Yeah, they will have the usual GIA certs too.

I suggest you go JP for their education and learn the stuff. Don't buy yet, and go to Hong Kong to compare and see which will suit better for you.

 

[shin7829]

Yeah, they will have the usual GIA certs too.

I suggest you go JP for their education and learn the stuff. Don't buy yet, and go to Hong Kong to compare and see which will suit better for you.

I just visited venus at bugis today.
Pardon me but whats jp ?

And really thanks for any inputs .

 

[Hope84]

Thanks bro!

1.54CT, G VS2
About 25k for the diamond alone

I think it's a reasonable price for JP's super ideal as it is the same price with whiteflash ACA 1.538ct G VS2 after accounting for GST and exchange rate.
ACA is always my benchmark for super ideal cut prices as I found them to be the cheapest of all super ideal vendors

 

[Miltah]

I think it's a reasonable price for JP's super ideal as it is the same price with whiteflash ACA 1.538ct G VS2 after accounting for GST and exchange rate.
ACA is always my benchmark for super ideal cut prices as I found them to be the cheapest of all super ideal vendors

You are right. Although there’s some saving but you lose the benefits of the store. The cost savings are when u are willing to go outside JP color grades.
G,H, I, J are still in the near color less range. And if you had 2 diamonds already mounted, it’s even harder to see as the prongs cover part of the sides of the diamond. It is almost unnoticeable face up. Try it, as JP to show u 2 different color grades mounted, and see if u can pick it.

So if we took a 1.5C Whiteflash ACA, I color as example, after GST is abt $16k. So jumping 2 grades in color saves u $9k

I can understand why JP doesn’t do it. Doing SIC in the lower color grades will probably eat into his dads HOH business

 

[Hope84]

You are right. Although there’s some saving but you lose the benefits of the store. The cost savings are when u are willing to go outside JP color grades.
G,H, I, J are still in the near color less range. And if you had 2 diamonds already mounted, it’s even harder to see as the prongs cover part of the sides of the diamond. It is almost unnoticeable face up. Try it, as JP to show u 2 different color grades mounted, and see if u can pick it.

So if we took a 1.5C Whiteflash ACA, I color as example, after GST is abt $16k. So jumping 2 grades in color saves u $9k

I can understand why JP doesn’t do it. Doing SIC in the lower color grades will probably eat into his dads HOH business

I am personally color sensitive. I have solitaires in E (from JP) and F (triple ex) and I can see the color diff between my E and F.

Have you seen a H in super ideal cut?
If you just see at the store maybe an H is still ok but in real life people who has H claims that if you see it often and from all angles, you can see yellow tint in an H even in a super ideal one. Esp AGS is quite soft on color..

Have you seen an I color?
I can always pick the yellow tint from an I stone regardless whether it's super ideal cut, GIA or from Tiffany even at first look.
I suggest to check it first before buying one because unlike the angmos, we asians are more used to seeing colorless stones so we are more color sensitive. It's very easy for us to see yellow tint in a stone.
size also matters. the smaller the diamond, the whiter it looks. the larger the diamond, the easier it is for you to see the color.

My suggestion is to go to G but with lower clarity (maybe an eye clean SI1) if you want to max your budget to get a larger size. H, maybe if it's a high H but definitely not I. Definitely too yellow even for super ideal cut.

 

[Miltah]

I am personally color sensitive. I have solitaires in E (from JP) and F (triple ex) and I can see the color diff between my E and F.

Have you seen a H in super ideal cut?
If you just see at the store maybe an H is still ok but in real life people who has H claims that if you see it often and from all angles, you can see yellow tint in an H even in a super ideal one. Esp AGS is quite soft on color..

Have you seen an I color?
I can always pick the yellow tint from an I stone regardless whether it's super ideal cut, GIA or from Tiffany even at first look.
I suggest to check it first before buying one because unlike the angmos, we asians are more used to seeing colorless stones so we are more color sensitive. It's very easy for us to see yellow tint in a stone.
size also matters. the smaller the diamond, the whiter it looks. the larger the diamond, the easier it is for you to see the color.

My suggestion is to go to G but with lower clarity (maybe an eye clean SI1) if you want to max your budget to get a larger size. H, maybe if it's a high H but definitely not I. Definitely too yellow even for super ideal cut.

Unfortunately you are color sensitive so it’s better to stick with the higher color grades

Grading color is often subjective with diamond face down and often viewed from the side. So I’ll urge people to test their own color sensitivity WITH the diamond mounted on a ring.
I went down to JP and viewed from G to K (twice). As I said earlier, my partner is not color sensitive and cannot pick out until I color. Once mounted, it’s even harder to see.

Personally; hats off to JP for allowing me to view so much even though he knew I wasn’t buying the JP SIC

 

[Miltah]

Unfortunately you are color sensitive so it’s better to stick with the higher color grades

Grading color is often subjective with diamond face down and often viewed from the side. So I’ll urge people to test their own color sensitivity WITH the diamond mounted on a ring.
I went down to JP and viewed from G to K (twice). As I said earlier, my partner is not color sensitive and cannot pick out until I color. Once mounted, it’s even harder to see.

Personally; hats off to JP for allowing me to view so much even though he knew I wasn’t buying the JP SIC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmSj8dOLRI

How color sensitive are you? Nothing beats going to the store to view. But it’s worth nothing that we are not grading diamonds. Try to find diamonds in different color grades which are mounted and see if you can pick it...

 

[CheeRs87]

I just visited venus at bugis today.
Pardon me but whats jp ?

And really thanks for any inputs .

JP = JannPaul

 

[CheeRs87]

Unfortunately you are color sensitive so it’s better to stick with the higher color grades

Grading color is often subjective with diamond face down and often viewed from the side. So I’ll urge people to test their own color sensitivity WITH the diamond mounted on a ring.
I went down to JP and viewed from G to K (twice). As I said earlier, my partner is not color sensitive and cannot pick out until I color. Once mounted, it’s even harder to see.

Personally; hats off to JP for allowing me to view so much even though he knew I wasn’t buying the JP SIC

Be mindful that the lighting in the store plays a part too. The shop lighting is bright and strong which can influence the color. It will be good to compare outside the shop too or in the different lights to be sure.

I found that white gold ring makes the color more obvious because of the background. G and H I can see the yellowness.. or maybe because I'm also color sensitive.. haha. If you are going for those yellow or rose gold rings, then you can definitely get away with a lower color.

btw, speaking of color, another consideration is the hue. Diamonds have different hues too even though the color grade is the same.

 

[Hope84]

Unfortunately you are color sensitive so it’s better to stick with the higher color grades

Grading color is often subjective with diamond face down and often viewed from the side. So I’ll urge people to test their own color sensitivity WITH the diamond mounted on a ring.
I went down to JP and viewed from G to K (twice). As I said earlier, my partner is not color sensitive and cannot pick out until I color. Once mounted, it’s even harder to see.

Personally; hats off to JP for allowing me to view so much even though he knew I wasn’t buying the JP SIC

Yes, I find JP to be quite fair to be honest.

I have always been attended by Casey and I wanted to further upgrade my ring with JP. He told me that they are currently in low stock and they didn't have anyhing within my required spec.
The largest SIC he had in stock at that time was still smaller than what I was looking for and he felt the size difference against my current one doesn't justify the price difference that I'd have to pay. So instead of selling he suggested me to wait and not to do the upgrade even though that means no extra revenue for them.

 

[Mooxie]

Is hong kong or singapore jewel shop cheaper ?

Hong Kong! No GST too

 

[Mooxie]

Yes, I find JP to be quite fair to be honest.

I have always been attended by Casey and I wanted to further upgrade my ring with JP. He told me that they are currently in low stock and they didn't have anyhing within my required spec.
The largest SIC he had in stock at that time was still smaller than what I was looking for and he felt the size difference against my current one doesn't justify the price difference that I'd have to pay. So instead of selling he suggested me to wait and not to do the upgrade even though that means no extra revenue for them.

waa.. what size are you looking for? (just curious) Must be super big if they don't have stock for it.

 

[throwawaygrad]

On the topic of color premiums..
Lucky Plaza Taka currently have a 2.2C, N color, VVS2 for $15.5k
Lucky Plaza Huen diamond have a 1.5C, G color, VS2 for $19.3k

GIA certed, triple Ex, but some of the figures are outside of super ideals
Of course, that’s the premium for JP to select the best of the best...

Honestly speaking, if you are in the market for a large diamond, I don't recommend N as it's too low...your wife might be happy with it but to others/I dare say everyone else, they will see it.

Even those angmohs in weddingbee, they also just stay at G to H and less frequently, IJK region. N is still very far from what they use.

Diamonds do have shitty resale value but an N diamond, its not the price anymore but if anyone would even want it. What if next time you want to upgrade even bigger or want to offload it?

I'm not one of those diehard fans of the highest grade Cs, my own diamond is a fancy grey but I got a 1.27ct for just 3k+ so I don't care if it's 0 resale value but your upfront cost is much higher leh...

 

[Miltah]

Honestly speaking, if you are in the market for a large diamond, I don't recommend N as it's too low...your wife might be happy with it but to others/I dare say everyone else, they will see it.

Even those angmohs in weddingbee, they also just stay at G to H and less frequently, IJK region. N is still very far from what they use.

Diamonds do have shitty resale value but an N diamond, its not the price anymore but if anyone would even want it. What if nect time you want to upgrade even bigger?

Thanks. Of course not. I’m going with H or I. Even K is way too yellow for me. But the more you go around and see, the more u are familiar with the color price premiums and how you appreciate a good cut

I think it’s almost like fishing. You pay the premium for JP to fish for u, but sometimes it’s about the process of fishing yourself and waiting for a catch. The process can sometimes be enjoyable.

 

[throwawaygrad]

Thanks. Of course not. I’m going with H or I. Even K is way too yellow for me. But the more you go around and see, the more u are familiar with the color price premiums and how you appreciate a good cut

I see. H and I sound good!! All the best in your sourcing.

 

[Hope84]

Thanks. Of course not. I’m going with H or I. Even K is way too yellow for me. But the more you go around and see, the more u are familiar with the color price premiums and how you appreciate a good cut

I think it’s almost like fishing. You pay the premium for JP to fish for u, but sometimes it’s about the process of fishing yourself and waiting for a catch. The process can sometimes be enjoyable.

Hopefully you will settle with an H
And make sure you buy from a vendor that offers 100% value to upgrade because who knows in a few years your mrs (or you) would want to get a bigger one already