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I fully agree.. can you post your cert here for our own conclusion?

My friend intoduced me to JP, he made a purchase 1.5 years ago from JP and is also around the same price as mine. If you are referring to YT or PK in Bukit Merah, I went there before too. They're diamonds are no way Super Ideal (I have my own set of scopes from http://ideal-scope.com/)

partially agree with you on this. i bought proposal ring from JP, it has indeed better quality than most retail jewelry stores like Soo Kee, Lee Hwa, Goldheart, Love and Co and etc. compared to those, the quoted price from JP was competitive. after the purchase, i had done more researches into pricing and asked around other private jewelers like Michael Trio, Les Precieux and etc. you can use your quoted price from JannPaul to gauge competitively with them, which i did. my quoted price from these private jewelers was slightly lower than JannPaul. not significant though, only around 300-600 dollars. did i regret? buying from JannPaul was a great idea as they showed all the specs like other private jewelers. i just wished i had done more researches and shop-hopping to get the best deal. overall, a great purchase with them.

after the purchase, i stumbled into this forum and read through all the reviews. generally i can say their diamonds are indeed ideal. though i pinched myself couple of times when i found out that others had some extra service from JannPaul such as ring wax moulding, ring pictures (after crafting) and other extra services. in a way, i felt left out :(

this time around for wedding bands, i will do more researches and be sure to ask for extra services. just be sure to go around and shop around before making the purchase, thats all. no doubt, JannPaul must be listed as one of the potential stores.


also interested about this, care to share?


don't think my friend wish to share the cert number. anyway I just wanna share exp nia. can always go other shop after JP ma :)
right now I already past the ring stages. towards bridal shop le
 

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don't think my friend wish to share the cert number. anyway I just wanna share exp nia. can always go other shop after JP ma :)
right now I already past the ring stages. towards bridal shop le

I meant your own cert bro
 

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don't think my friend wish to share the cert number. anyway I just wanna share exp nia. can always go other shop after JP ma :)
right now I already past the ring stages. towards bridal shop le

Sharing cert number is more convinient. If not willing, the specs and scopes if any would do too.

Where did you get the wedding bands?
 

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don't think my friend wish to share the cert number. anyway I just wanna share exp nia. can always go other shop after JP ma :)
right now I already past the ring stages. towards bridal shop le

i see, where did you get the wedding bands? i am looking at some nice offers but have yet to decide. would like to do more price comparison before committing. could have saved 300-600 dollars if i had done more researches back then when i got the engagement ring. care to share where to get some nice wedding bands, with good pricing?

for those who are looking for engagement ring, please make sure to get the best price from any jewelry sellers. for more pricing guide, look at page 55 and 56. remember to ask around. but be sure to compare JannPaul super ideal with the rest of super ideal sellers. There are some private ones like Michael Trio, Les Precieux and etc, literally scattered around Singapore. Make sure to ask or start with JannPaul, get your diamond education and fire up those knowledge to other sellers.

http: //i63.tinypic.com/2poo0mu.jpg -> remove blankspace
 
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don't think my friend wish to share the cert number. anyway I just wanna share exp nia. can always go other shop after JP ma :)
right now I already past the ring stages. towards bridal shop le

It would be good if you can share so that people can make informed choices. Giving bits of info here and there is not very helpful leh.
 

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It would be good if you can share so that people can make informed choices. Giving bits of info here and there is not very helpful leh.
I second this. The thread has been heavily focused on JP's offerings, it'd be good for potential buyers to get some other fresh perspectives.

Sent from the dark side of the moon using GAGT
 

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I was going to write a review sometime later this week. but i saw the last posts this morning so i feel i should now..

I insisted to go together with my bf on his diamond search, anyway i was the one who did all the research :>

I've gone through tons and tons of reading materials from Pricescope to Goodoldgold and many other less reputable sites.. sometimes, it can get very technical but i roughly understand most of it. I've also been watching alot of GoG and JP videos on youtube. They are the only 2 companies (1 from US and 1 from Singapore) that do those video educations. If you go to the US forums, they also got talk about JP. Anyway, those videos do help alot!

Anyway, i'm in one of the closed bridal FB groups, and the girls swear on JP, that's the first time I heard of them.. Before, i was the one planning all our wedding arrangements, so i decided i want to choose my diamond and design myself, and later he can propose. Since i'm gonna wear the ring for the rest of my life, i also want to be sure that it's something I really like.

so the places we started off were the brick and mortars:

B&M
Shops like Leehwa, Sookee, Lovis? Basically your B&M stores that sell from the lousiest cuts to their premium brand cuts like destinee or brilliant rose, multifaceted diamonds etc. Firstly, all their sales people probably know less than everyone on the forums. Secondly, their prices are heavily marked up because of their high overheads. Thirdly, this isn't Chanel.. You won't see any brand or logo on your ring. So basically, all the shops we went to near JEC, marina bay, ion jewelry street were just to walk walk see see.

Private jewellers
Fairy's inc, Michael trio, Canary, Vivo and a few other less reputable ones.
There was one of them that pissed me off damnnnnnnnnnnn bad.... i won't go into that.. just damn unprofessional, nothing to do with diamonds.
Anyway, most of them do the basic education, some don't. One of them even downtalked JP ALOT, i seriously think people are not happy with them.
My bf's budget was around 6k.. so the diamonds they recommended, varied alot. I got some quotations and did the HCA calculations myself. I borrowed an ASET from one of the bro's here, all the jewelers were kind enough to let me assess them. but the problem is that most of the diamonds had very poor light performances. Even after the emails back and forth and diamonds with HCA lower than 1.5, when i went 2nd or 3rd time for viewing, they either were worse with light leakages or very crooked arrows... even online jewelers look much better. This was the part that disappointed me the most... because once i pull the scope away, i can even see the areas that are leakage looks greyish dull and the arrows you can try to block away the surrounding light and you can see the arrows are crooked :< it was after all these wasted trips, that i realized HCA really is just to filter nia... anyway alot of back and forth. I took some pictures for bro's references if they need here:

Anyway alot of back and forth, i did not know JP gave a full length education, otherwise i would have gone there first. but i wanted to go as my last stop.

JP

I booked an appointment and my bf specifically requested for Casey because he sometimes watch the youtube videos with me.
When we were there, we waited about 5 minutes and Casey came to greet us. It's quite uncanny because his voice is very distinct on youtube and IRL.
Anyway, he told us it was going to be quite a long session so we cancelled our evening plans.
Here is the difference i don't see people write about JP and the other jewelers... LEARN ABOUT THE SCOPES!
People here always ask if this is okay or that is okay... but do you guys even know how to tell in other shops?
If you all are talking about educating yourselves.. then you all should have faced the same problem as me. Though i never see anyone talking about this..

THIS: I was shown more than 18 diamonds in total at the private jewelers... i was shown 4 diamonds in JP... ALL the 18 diamonds looked so bad on the scopes, ALL the 4 diamonds looked great from JP!

There are some of the diamonds that I took so you know what i mean. I can't upload all of them becos of the 9 image limit.. ignore the titles, they're just my own labels.

Jh6lJeD.jpg


ZDa5bTT.jpg


R5W93ZT.jpg


V5PW1Ld.jpg


GyleUGj.jpg


YYVlYyM.jpg



And this one is from JP.

BfIOvzJ.jpg


38kAk36.jpg


If you go to pricescope.com, everything is emphasized on scopes! Light performance and symmetry is the MOST important thing to a diamond's beauty. and it's not so difficult at all to see.
white parts?
looks blackish transparent
red parts? nice and white
green parts? greyish.
they also tell you which parts will give out fire potentially as well as where it wont. (obviously white wont)
and symmetry is also important because that means the facets align for better light performance!

so back to this... it was a big relief when i looked through the scopes and Casey was very patient with me. When I think about it, it seems all the other places i was shown IDEAL cuts only. but they called them Super Ideals and
Signature Ideal cuts. Which made me realize, they can anyhow just term their cuts.

Anyway, i think it was.. 2hours long session? and another 1 hour with designs, all in all I ended up picking the octagon LOL. after so much talk about rounds right?
but it was really nice with the 4 prongs sample.So i left my bf to choose a $5350 and $6400. Actually I'll be happy whichever he picks la.. smaller also may look nicer to wear everyday. The specifications I have it back at home, i'll post it later :>

That's my review for now. Design wise i left a few to for my bf to choose... but when i think about it maybe i shouldn't go for the side diamonds one...

oh! and pricing wise, JP is about maybe 5% more roughly. depending on which type you buy, like solasfera or super ideal. but super ideal wise maybe it's 5% more, some can even be cheaper, some more, it varies. but the quality is NOT ONLY 5% more.
This is the part that you guys should go and learn.... you cannot just look at certificate and compare price.. there can be so much difference in quality.
oh i forgot, JP also has a sarin scanner, similar to a helium scanner. It can scan your diamond and can give you ALL the small angles and proportions of your diamond, like how many % is the table off centre, what are the upper girdle facet angles. I read this from GoG but it was a little bit technical.
Casey still explained most of it to me after he scanned the diamond. He says they use it for checking their incoming supply but show clients if they request for it.

It's funny most of the reviews here don't have a similar experience as me, if you did research you would definitely have come across the quality differences.

here are some websites to start learning for the new people on your search:
www.pricescope.com
www.prosumerdiamonds.com
www.goodoldgold.com

that's already alot to read.. or on youtube channel you can watch Jannpaul and Good old gold.
 

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I was going to write a review sometime later this week. but i saw the last posts this morning so i feel i should now..

I insisted to go together with my bf on his diamond search, anyway i was the one who did all the research :>

I've gone through tons and tons of reading materials from Pricescope to Goodoldgold and many other less reputable sites.. sometimes, it can get very technical but i roughly understand most of it. I've also been watching alot of GoG and JP videos on youtube. They are the only 2 companies (1 from US and 1 from Singapore) that do those video educations. If you go to the US forums, they also got talk about JP. Anyway, those videos do help alot!

Anyway, i'm in one of the closed bridal FB groups, and the girls swear on JP, that's the first time I heard of them.. Before, i was the one planning all our wedding arrangements, so i decided i want to choose my diamond and design myself, and later he can propose. Since i'm gonna wear the ring for the rest of my life, i also want to be sure that it's something I really like.

so the places we started off were the brick and mortars:

B&M
Shops like Leehwa, Sookee, Lovis? Basically your B&M stores that sell from the lousiest cuts to their premium brand cuts like destinee or brilliant rose, multifaceted diamonds etc. Firstly, all their sales people probably know less than everyone on the forums. Secondly, their prices are heavily marked up because of their high overheads. Thirdly, this isn't Chanel.. You won't see any brand or logo on your ring. So basically, all the shops we went to near JEC, marina bay, ion jewelry street were just to walk walk see see.

Private jewellers
Fairy's inc, Michael trio, Canary, Vivo and a few other less reputable ones.
There was one of them that pissed me off damnnnnnnnnnnn bad.... i won't go into that.. just damn unprofessional, nothing to do with diamonds.
Anyway, most of them do the basic education, some don't. One of them even downtalked JP ALOT, i seriously think people are not happy with them.
My bf's budget was around 6k.. so the diamonds they recommended, varied alot. I got some quotations and did the HCA calculations myself. I borrowed an ASET from one of the bro's here, all the jewelers were kind enough to let me assess them. but the problem is that most of the diamonds had very poor light performances. Even after the emails back and forth and diamonds with HCA lower than 1.5, when i went 2nd or 3rd time for viewing, they either were worse with light leakages or very crooked arrows... even online jewelers look much better. This was the part that disappointed me the most... because once i pull the scope away, i can even see the areas that are leakage looks greyish dull and the arrows you can try to block away the surrounding light and you can see the arrows are crooked :< it was after all these wasted trips, that i realized HCA really is just to filter nia... anyway alot of back and forth. I took some pictures for bro's references if they need here:

Anyway alot of back and forth, i did not know JP gave a full length education, otherwise i would have gone there first. but i wanted to go as my last stop.

JP

I booked an appointment and my bf specifically requested for Casey because he sometimes watch the youtube videos with me.
When we were there, we waited about 5 minutes and Casey came to greet us. It's quite uncanny because his voice is very distinct on youtube and IRL.
Anyway, he told us it was going to be quite a long session so we cancelled our evening plans.
Here is the difference i don't see people write about JP and the other jewelers... LEARN ABOUT THE SCOPES!
People here always ask if this is okay or that is okay... but do you guys even know how to tell in other shops?
If you all are talking about educating yourselves.. then you all should have faced the same problem as me. Though i never see anyone talking about this..

THIS: I was shown more than 18 diamonds in total at the private jewelers... i was shown 4 diamonds in JP... ALL the 18 diamonds looked so bad on the scopes, ALL the 4 diamonds looked great from JP!

There are some of the diamonds that I took so you know what i mean. I can't upload all of them becos of the 9 image limit.. ignore the titles, they're just my own labels.

Jh6lJeD.jpg


ZDa5bTT.jpg


R5W93ZT.jpg


V5PW1Ld.jpg


GyleUGj.jpg


YYVlYyM.jpg



And this one is from JP.

BfIOvzJ.jpg


38kAk36.jpg


If you go to pricescope.com, everything is emphasized on scopes! Light performance and symmetry is the MOST important thing to a diamond's beauty. and it's not so difficult at all to see.
white parts?
looks blackish transparent
red parts? nice and white
green parts? greyish.
they also tell you which parts will give out fire potentially as well as where it wont. (obviously white wont)
and symmetry is also important because that means the facets align for better light performance!

so back to this... it was a big relief when i looked through the scopes and Casey was very patient with me. When I think about it, it seems all the other places i was shown IDEAL cuts only. but they called them Super Ideals and
Signature Ideal cuts. Which made me realize, they can anyhow just term their cuts.

Anyway, i think it was.. 2hours long session? and another 1 hour with designs, all in all I ended up picking the octagon LOL. after so much talk about rounds right?
but it was really nice with the 4 prongs sample.So i left my bf to choose a $5350 and $6400. Actually I'll be happy whichever he picks la.. smaller also may look nicer to wear everyday. The specifications I have it back at home, i'll post it later :>

That's my review for now. Design wise i left a few to for my bf to choose... but when i think about it maybe i shouldn't go for the side diamonds one...

oh! and pricing wise, JP is about maybe 5% more roughly. depending on which type you buy, like solasfera or super ideal. but super ideal wise maybe it's 5% more, some can even be cheaper, some more, it varies. but the quality is NOT ONLY 5% more.
This is the part that you guys should go and learn.... you cannot just look at certificate and compare price.. there can be so much difference in quality.
oh i forgot, JP also has a sarin scanner, similar to a helium scanner. It can scan your diamond and can give you ALL the small angles and proportions of your diamond, like how many % is the table off centre, what are the upper girdle facet angles. I read this from GoG but it was a little bit technical.
Casey still explained most of it to me after he scanned the diamond. He says they use it for checking their incoming supply but show clients if they request for it.

It's funny most of the reviews here don't have a similar experience as me, if you did research you would definitely have come across the quality differences.

here are some websites to start learning for the new people on your search:
www.pricescope.com
www.prosumerdiamonds.com
www.goodoldgold.com

that's already alot to read.. or on youtube channel you can watch Jannpaul and Good old gold.

+1
I must admit I was abit lazy also and trusted JP on their quality. I think alot of places try to copy them and call their diamonds Super Ideal cuts when its only Ideal. End of the day, best is to do your own research and don't get taken a ride by those salespeople.
 

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JP not reasonable anymore for both proposal and wedding band.

bought a proposal ring at 9k from JP. few days after, I acc my friend to another jewel. he paid abt 8k for a better stats than what I got from JP. JP is getting more ex, so please take note.

as for wedding band, I am looking for a yellow gold kind. but what JP offers is abt 1k more ex than stores like Lee Hwa. of cos Lee Hwa gave better stats like 18k gold.

can i know which jeweller your friend went to?
 

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I was going to write a review sometime later this week. but i saw the last posts this morning so i feel i should now..

I insisted to go together with my bf on his diamond search, anyway i was the one who did all the research :>

I've gone through tons and tons of reading materials from Pricescope to Goodoldgold and many other less reputable sites.. sometimes, it can get very technical but i roughly understand most of it. I've also been watching alot of GoG and JP videos on youtube. They are the only 2 companies (1 from US and 1 from Singapore) that do those video educations. If you go to the US forums, they also got talk about JP. Anyway, those videos do help alot!

Anyway, i'm in one of the closed bridal FB groups, and the girls swear on JP, that's the first time I heard of them.. Before, i was the one planning all our wedding arrangements, so i decided i want to choose my diamond and design myself, and later he can propose. Since i'm gonna wear the ring for the rest of my life, i also want to be sure that it's something I really like.

so the places we started off were the brick and mortars:

B&M
Shops like Leehwa, Sookee, Lovis? Basically your B&M stores that sell from the lousiest cuts to their premium brand cuts like destinee or brilliant rose, multifaceted diamonds etc. Firstly, all their sales people probably know less than everyone on the forums. Secondly, their prices are heavily marked up because of their high overheads. Thirdly, this isn't Chanel.. You won't see any brand or logo on your ring. So basically, all the shops we went to near JEC, marina bay, ion jewelry street were just to walk walk see see.

Private jewellers
Fairy's inc, Michael trio, Canary, Vivo and a few other less reputable ones.
There was one of them that pissed me off damnnnnnnnnnnn bad.... i won't go into that.. just damn unprofessional, nothing to do with diamonds.
Anyway, most of them do the basic education, some don't. One of them even downtalked JP ALOT, i seriously think people are not happy with them.

Haha very detailed review ;) Don't be too critical I'm sure bros and sis here did do varying levels of research la, maybe not as detailed as yours.. but for such a purchase regardless of how assured you are of the quality, doesn't hurt to have someone else take a look at them to see if they missed anything out! :)

Anyway do share the specs of the octagons that you are considering! i bought myself an octagon too haha
 

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I was going to write a review sometime later this week. but i saw the last posts this morning so i feel i should now..

I insisted to go together with my bf on his diamond search, anyway i was the one who did all the research :>

I've gone through tons and tons of reading materials from Pricescope to Goodoldgold and many other less reputable sites.. sometimes, it can get very technical but i roughly understand most of it. I've also been watching alot of GoG and JP videos on youtube. They are the only 2 companies (1 from US and 1 from Singapore) that do those video educations. If you go to the US forums, they also got talk about JP. Anyway, those videos do help alot!

Anyway, i'm in one of the closed bridal FB groups, and the girls swear on JP, that's the first time I heard of them.. Before, i was the one planning all our wedding arrangements, so i decided i want to choose my diamond and design myself, and later he can propose. Since i'm gonna wear the ring for the rest of my life, i also want to be sure that it's something I really like.

so the places we started off were the brick and mortars:

B&M
Shops like Leehwa, Sookee, Lovis? Basically your B&M stores that sell from the lousiest cuts to their premium brand cuts like destinee or brilliant rose, multifaceted diamonds etc. Firstly, all their sales people probably know less than everyone on the forums. Secondly, their prices are heavily marked up because of their high overheads. Thirdly, this isn't Chanel.. You won't see any brand or logo on your ring. So basically, all the shops we went to near JEC, marina bay, ion jewelry street were just to walk walk see see.

Private jewellers
Fairy's inc, Michael trio, Canary, Vivo and a few other less reputable ones.
There was one of them that pissed me off damnnnnnnnnnnn bad.... i won't go into that.. just damn unprofessional, nothing to do with diamonds.
Anyway, most of them do the basic education, some don't. One of them even downtalked JP ALOT, i seriously think people are not happy with them.
My bf's budget was around 6k.. so the diamonds they recommended, varied alot. I got some quotations and did the HCA calculations myself. I borrowed an ASET from one of the bro's here, all the jewelers were kind enough to let me assess them. but the problem is that most of the diamonds had very poor light performances. Even after the emails back and forth and diamonds with HCA lower than 1.5, when i went 2nd or 3rd time for viewing, they either were worse with light leakages or very crooked arrows... even online jewelers look much better. This was the part that disappointed me the most... because once i pull the scope away, i can even see the areas that are leakage looks greyish dull and the arrows you can try to block away the surrounding light and you can see the arrows are crooked :< it was after all these wasted trips, that i realized HCA really is just to filter nia... anyway alot of back and forth. I took some pictures for bro's references if they need here:

Anyway alot of back and forth, i did not know JP gave a full length education, otherwise i would have gone there first. but i wanted to go as my last stop.

JP

I booked an appointment and my bf specifically requested for Casey because he sometimes watch the youtube videos with me.
When we were there, we waited about 5 minutes and Casey came to greet us. It's quite uncanny because his voice is very distinct on youtube and IRL.
Anyway, he told us it was going to be quite a long session so we cancelled our evening plans.
Here is the difference i don't see people write about JP and the other jewelers... LEARN ABOUT THE SCOPES!
People here always ask if this is okay or that is okay... but do you guys even know how to tell in other shops?
If you all are talking about educating yourselves.. then you all should have faced the same problem as me. Though i never see anyone talking about this..

THIS: I was shown more than 18 diamonds in total at the private jewelers... i was shown 4 diamonds in JP... ALL the 18 diamonds looked so bad on the scopes, ALL the 4 diamonds looked great from JP!

There are some of the diamonds that I took so you know what i mean. I can't upload all of them becos of the 9 image limit.. ignore the titles, they're just my own labels.

And this one is from JP.

If you go to pricescope.com, everything is emphasized on scopes! Light performance and symmetry is the MOST important thing to a diamond's beauty. and it's not so difficult at all to see.
white parts?
looks blackish transparent
red parts? nice and white
green parts? greyish.
they also tell you which parts will give out fire potentially as well as where it wont. (obviously white wont)
and symmetry is also important because that means the facets align for better light performance!

so back to this... it was a big relief when i looked through the scopes and Casey was very patient with me. When I think about it, it seems all the other places i was shown IDEAL cuts only. but they called them Super Ideals and
Signature Ideal cuts. Which made me realize, they can anyhow just term their cuts.

Anyway, i think it was.. 2hours long session? and another 1 hour with designs, all in all I ended up picking the octagon LOL. after so much talk about rounds right?
but it was really nice with the 4 prongs sample.So i left my bf to choose a $5350 and $6400. Actually I'll be happy whichever he picks la.. smaller also may look nicer to wear everyday. The specifications I have it back at home, i'll post it later :>

That's my review for now. Design wise i left a few to for my bf to choose... but when i think about it maybe i shouldn't go for the side diamonds one...

oh! and pricing wise, JP is about maybe 5% more roughly. depending on which type you buy, like solasfera or super ideal. but super ideal wise maybe it's 5% more, some can even be cheaper, some more, it varies. but the quality is NOT ONLY 5% more.
This is the part that you guys should go and learn.... you cannot just look at certificate and compare price.. there can be so much difference in quality.
oh i forgot, JP also has a sarin scanner, similar to a helium scanner. It can scan your diamond and can give you ALL the small angles and proportions of your diamond, like how many % is the table off centre, what are the upper girdle facet angles. I read this from GoG but it was a little bit technical.
Casey still explained most of it to me after he scanned the diamond. He says they use it for checking their incoming supply but show clients if they request for it.

It's funny most of the reviews here don't have a similar experience as me, if you did research you would definitely have come across the quality differences.

here are some websites to start learning for the new people on your search:

that's already alot to read.. or on youtube channel you can watch Jannpaul and Good old gold.

good review. like previous post, dont be overly critical. yes, best to go to JP as the first store/stop to look for engagement ring. get some education on diamond and expectations of an excellent ring. though i must advise to look around just to make sure you pay for competitive prices.

look at the price guide on page 55/56. or look online for those reputable ones like Brian Gavin, Whiteflash and Good Old Gold. those sites sell ideal cuts that match specs from JP. there are some local private stores but their stocks may not be as large as JP. once you finish the market research, use these prices to negotiate better with JP or any other sellers you selected.

although i wish people can post how much they paid for, just to compile some numbers for guidance. can be useful for bro/sis who are looking for engagement rings. my JP diamond was 1.03 carat, VS2, E for 14.9k.
 
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At the end of the day, I always trust my own eyes.

No point comparing specs when the actual diamond doesn't appeal to me. To me, diamonds should simply look like diamonds, bling and sparkly.

If I could find a lousy spec diamond but to me it sparkles and blings, I'd get it on the spot.

I ended up buying from JP coz the look of their diamonds is really great.

Are they more expensive? Yes.
Are their diamonds nicer? Yes.

I was also looking for wedding bands, end up buying from Soo Kee.

Are JP wedding bands more expensive? Yes.
Are JP wedding bands nicer? Imo no.
Hence I bought my wedding bands from Soo Kee.

So just a word of advice: don't listen to what others tell you about specs and value. Go down and take a look yourself. If you like it, buy it. If not, go to some other shop. Simple as that.
 

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good review. like previous post, dont be overly critical. yes, best to go to JP as the first store/stop to look for engagement ring. get some education on diamond and expectations of an excellent ring. though i must advise to look around just to make sure you pay for competitive prices.

look at the price guide on page 55/56. or look online for those reputable ones like Brian Gavin, Whiteflash and Good Old Gold. those sites sell ideal cuts that match specs from JP. there are some local private stores but their stocks may not be as large as JP. once you finish the market research, use these prices to negotiate better with JP or any other sellers you selected.

although i wish people can post how much they paid for, just to compile some numbers for guidance. can be useful for bro/sis who are looking for engagement rings. my JP diamond was 1.03 carat, VS2, E for 14.9k.

Haha very detailed review ;) Don't be too critical I'm sure bros and sis here did do varying levels of research la, maybe not as detailed as yours.. but for such a purchase regardless of how assured you are of the quality, doesn't hurt to have someone else take a look at them to see if they missed anything out! :)

Anyway do share the specs of the octagons that you are considering! i bought myself an octagon too haha

+1
I must admit I was abit lazy also and trusted JP on their quality. I think alot of places try to copy them and call their diamonds Super Ideal cuts when its only Ideal. End of the day, best is to do your own research and don't get taken a ride by those salespeople.

I'm sorry i come off as being over critical :o but when i read all the past pages, i feel like that most people here are confused between the term super ideal and ideal. It doesn't help that companies are trying to sell ideal cuts at super ideal cut prices. This confuses people more..

Quite some pages back i even read about bluenile diamonds being Super ideal? When you want to compare apples to apples: consider all these factors? :cert specifications, fluorescence, depth, table, did you know a 62.3% table that is a very deep cut (that makes the diamond look significantly smaller can score a 0.8 on HCA too). People have the wrong idea what ideal cuts and super ideal cuts are. For a diamond to be deemed as super ideal they have to perform under a good hca, h&a scope symmetry, aset scope, not too deep. The only other diamonds i've seen besides JP that are closest to being super ideal is hearts on fire in Tianpo.
 

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At the end of the day, I always trust my own eyes.

No point comparing specs when the actual diamond doesn't appeal to me. To me, diamonds should simply look like diamonds, bling and sparkly.

If I could find a lousy spec diamond but to me it sparkles and blings, I'd get it on the spot.

I ended up buying from JP coz the look of their diamonds is really great.

Are they more expensive? Yes.
Are their diamonds nicer? Yes.

I was also looking for wedding bands, end up buying from Soo Kee.

Are JP wedding bands more expensive? Yes.
Are JP wedding bands nicer? Imo no.
Hence I bought my wedding bands from Soo Kee.

So just a word of advice: don't listen to what others tell you about specs and value. Go down and take a look yourself. If you like it, buy it. If not, go to some other shop. Simple as that.

Agreed about trusting one's own eyes, but specs and value are important too
 

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Went down to jp last sat and was served by Vince. I have my mind set on getting the Octagon diamond. It looks so impressive. But still undecided if I should go for bigger diamond with lower color and clarity or small carat with better color and clarity. Price diff for all 3 is abt $500. I don't mind paying abit more if its worth it.

Please give me some comments between these 3 diamonds I have shortlisted.

AYnhK1w.jpg

ZrMb5Hh.jpg

fqtDmQs.jpg


The color comparison:

9VRBNgb.jpg

VTBQxLO.jpg


D and E is can't really see the difference.. but my gf's initial starts with a D so more symbolic. G and E I can see the difference which bothers me abit.. Though that's only if I compare them next to each other.

Carat size difference:

ZrMPdte.jpg


0.57 and 0.59 not much diff. 0.57 and 0.61 can see its abit bigger.

I think its either the 0.61 G VS1 for the size or 0.59 D VS1 for the symbolic meaning.. Any opinions on this? Or anything I might miss out?
 

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I was going to write a review sometime later this week. but i saw the last posts this morning so i feel i should now..

I insisted to go together with my bf on his diamond search, anyway i was the one who did all the research :>

I've gone through tons and tons of reading materials from Pricescope to Goodoldgold and many other less reputable sites.. sometimes, it can get very technical but i roughly understand most of it. I've also been watching alot of GoG and JP videos on youtube. They are the only 2 companies (1 from US and 1 from Singapore) that do those video educations. If you go to the US forums, they also got talk about JP. Anyway, those videos do help alot!

Anyway, i'm in one of the closed bridal FB groups, and the girls swear on JP, that's the first time I heard of them.. Before, i was the one planning all our wedding arrangements, so i decided i want to choose my diamond and design myself, and later he can propose. Since i'm gonna wear the ring for the rest of my life, i also want to be sure that it's something I really like.

so the places we started off were the brick and mortars:

B&M
Shops like Leehwa, Sookee, Lovis? Basically your B&M stores that sell from the lousiest cuts to their premium brand cuts like destinee or brilliant rose, multifaceted diamonds etc. Firstly, all their sales people probably know less than everyone on the forums. Secondly, their prices are heavily marked up because of their high overheads. Thirdly, this isn't Chanel.. You won't see any brand or logo on your ring. So basically, all the shops we went to near JEC, marina bay, ion jewelry street were just to walk walk see see.

Private jewellers
Fairy's inc, Michael trio, Canary, Vivo and a few other less reputable ones.
There was one of them that pissed me off damnnnnnnnnnnn bad.... i won't go into that.. just damn unprofessional, nothing to do with diamonds.
Anyway, most of them do the basic education, some don't. One of them even downtalked JP ALOT, i seriously think people are not happy with them.
My bf's budget was around 6k.. so the diamonds they recommended, varied alot. I got some quotations and did the HCA calculations myself. I borrowed an ASET from one of the bro's here, all the jewelers were kind enough to let me assess them. but the problem is that most of the diamonds had very poor light performances. Even after the emails back and forth and diamonds with HCA lower than 1.5, when i went 2nd or 3rd time for viewing, they either were worse with light leakages or very crooked arrows... even online jewelers look much better. This was the part that disappointed me the most... because once i pull the scope away, i can even see the areas that are leakage looks greyish dull and the arrows you can try to block away the surrounding light and you can see the arrows are crooked :< it was after all these wasted trips, that i realized HCA really is just to filter nia... anyway alot of back and forth. I took some pictures for bro's references if they need here:

Anyway alot of back and forth, i did not know JP gave a full length education, otherwise i would have gone there first. but i wanted to go as my last stop.

JP

I booked an appointment and my bf specifically requested for Casey because he sometimes watch the youtube videos with me.
When we were there, we waited about 5 minutes and Casey came to greet us. It's quite uncanny because his voice is very distinct on youtube and IRL.
Anyway, he told us it was going to be quite a long session so we cancelled our evening plans.
Here is the difference i don't see people write about JP and the other jewelers... LEARN ABOUT THE SCOPES!
People here always ask if this is okay or that is okay... but do you guys even know how to tell in other shops?
If you all are talking about educating yourselves.. then you all should have faced the same problem as me. Though i never see anyone talking about this..

THIS: I was shown more than 18 diamonds in total at the private jewelers... i was shown 4 diamonds in JP... ALL the 18 diamonds looked so bad on the scopes, ALL the 4 diamonds looked great from JP!

There are some of the diamonds that I took so you know what i mean. I can't upload all of them becos of the 9 image limit.. ignore the titles, they're just my own labels.

Jh6lJeD.jpg


ZDa5bTT.jpg


R5W93ZT.jpg


V5PW1Ld.jpg


GyleUGj.jpg


YYVlYyM.jpg



And this one is from JP.

BfIOvzJ.jpg


38kAk36.jpg


If you go to pricescope.com, everything is emphasized on scopes! Light performance and symmetry is the MOST important thing to a diamond's beauty. and it's not so difficult at all to see.
white parts?
looks blackish transparent
red parts? nice and white
green parts? greyish.
they also tell you which parts will give out fire potentially as well as where it wont. (obviously white wont)
and symmetry is also important because that means the facets align for better light performance!

so back to this... it was a big relief when i looked through the scopes and Casey was very patient with me. When I think about it, it seems all the other places i was shown IDEAL cuts only. but they called them Super Ideals and
Signature Ideal cuts. Which made me realize, they can anyhow just term their cuts.

Anyway, i think it was.. 2hours long session? and another 1 hour with designs, all in all I ended up picking the octagon LOL. after so much talk about rounds right?
but it was really nice with the 4 prongs sample.So i left my bf to choose a $5350 and $6400. Actually I'll be happy whichever he picks la.. smaller also may look nicer to wear everyday. The specifications I have it back at home, i'll post it later :>

That's my review for now. Design wise i left a few to for my bf to choose... but when i think about it maybe i shouldn't go for the side diamonds one...

oh! and pricing wise, JP is about maybe 5% more roughly. depending on which type you buy, like solasfera or super ideal. but super ideal wise maybe it's 5% more, some can even be cheaper, some more, it varies. but the quality is NOT ONLY 5% more.
This is the part that you guys should go and learn.... you cannot just look at certificate and compare price.. there can be so much difference in quality.
oh i forgot, JP also has a sarin scanner, similar to a helium scanner. It can scan your diamond and can give you ALL the small angles and proportions of your diamond, like how many % is the table off centre, what are the upper girdle facet angles. I read this from GoG but it was a little bit technical.
Casey still explained most of it to me after he scanned the diamond. He says they use it for checking their incoming supply but show clients if they request for it.

It's funny most of the reviews here don't have a similar experience as me, if you did research you would definitely have come across the quality differences.

here are some websites to start learning for the new people on your search:
www.pricescope.com
www.prosumerdiamonds.com
www.goodoldgold.com

that's already alot to read.. or on youtube channel you can watch Jannpaul and Good old gold.

i did alot of my own research as well back then!~~
you go girl!! so spot on.... scopes are uber important..without them the hca not of much use

this one might help explaining what you mean~~

 

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I was going to write a review sometime later this week. but i saw the last posts this morning so i feel i should now..

I insisted to go together with my bf on his diamond search, anyway i was the one who did all the research :>

I've gone through tons and tons of reading materials from Pricescope to Goodoldgold and many other less reputable sites.. sometimes, it can get very technical but i roughly understand most of it. I've also been watching alot of GoG and JP videos on youtube. They are the only 2 companies (1 from US and 1 from Singapore) that do those video educations. If you go to the US forums, they also got talk about JP. Anyway, those videos do help alot!

Anyway, i'm in one of the closed bridal FB groups, and the girls swear on JP, that's the first time I heard of them.. Before, i was the one planning all our wedding arrangements, so i decided i want to choose my diamond and design myself, and later he can propose. Since i'm gonna wear the ring for the rest of my life, i also want to be sure that it's something I really like.

so the places we started off were the brick and mortars:

B&M
Shops like Leehwa, Sookee, Lovis? Basically your B&M stores that sell from the lousiest cuts to their premium brand cuts like destinee or brilliant rose, multifaceted diamonds etc. Firstly, all their sales people probably know less than everyone on the forums. Secondly, their prices are heavily marked up because of their high overheads. Thirdly, this isn't Chanel.. You won't see any brand or logo on your ring. So basically, all the shops we went to near JEC, marina bay, ion jewelry street were just to walk walk see see.

Private jewellers
Fairy's inc, Michael trio, Canary, Vivo and a few other less reputable ones.
There was one of them that pissed me off damnnnnnnnnnnn bad.... i won't go into that.. just damn unprofessional, nothing to do with diamonds.
Anyway, most of them do the basic education, some don't. One of them even downtalked JP ALOT, i seriously think people are not happy with them.
My bf's budget was around 6k.. so the diamonds they recommended, varied alot. I got some quotations and did the HCA calculations myself. I borrowed an ASET from one of the bro's here, all the jewelers were kind enough to let me assess them. but the problem is that most of the diamonds had very poor light performances. Even after the emails back and forth and diamonds with HCA lower than 1.5, when i went 2nd or 3rd time for viewing, they either were worse with light leakages or very crooked arrows... even online jewelers look much better. This was the part that disappointed me the most... because once i pull the scope away, i can even see the areas that are leakage looks greyish dull and the arrows you can try to block away the surrounding light and you can see the arrows are crooked :< it was after all these wasted trips, that i realized HCA really is just to filter nia... anyway alot of back and forth. I took some pictures for bro's references if they need here:

Anyway alot of back and forth, i did not know JP gave a full length education, otherwise i would have gone there first. but i wanted to go as my last stop.

JP

I booked an appointment and my bf specifically requested for Casey because he sometimes watch the youtube videos with me.
When we were there, we waited about 5 minutes and Casey came to greet us. It's quite uncanny because his voice is very distinct on youtube and IRL.
Anyway, he told us it was going to be quite a long session so we cancelled our evening plans.
Here is the difference i don't see people write about JP and the other jewelers... LEARN ABOUT THE SCOPES!
People here always ask if this is okay or that is okay... but do you guys even know how to tell in other shops?
If you all are talking about educating yourselves.. then you all should have faced the same problem as me. Though i never see anyone talking about this..

THIS: I was shown more than 18 diamonds in total at the private jewelers... i was shown 4 diamonds in JP... ALL the 18 diamonds looked so bad on the scopes, ALL the 4 diamonds looked great from JP!

There are some of the diamonds that I took so you know what i mean. I can't upload all of them becos of the 9 image limit.. ignore the titles, they're just my own labels.

Jh6lJeD.jpg


ZDa5bTT.jpg


R5W93ZT.jpg


V5PW1Ld.jpg


GyleUGj.jpg


YYVlYyM.jpg



And this one is from JP.

BfIOvzJ.jpg


38kAk36.jpg


If you go to pricescope.com, everything is emphasized on scopes! Light performance and symmetry is the MOST important thing to a diamond's beauty. and it's not so difficult at all to see.
white parts?
looks blackish transparent
red parts? nice and white
green parts? greyish.
they also tell you which parts will give out fire potentially as well as where it wont. (obviously white wont)
and symmetry is also important because that means the facets align for better light performance!

so back to this... it was a big relief when i looked through the scopes and Casey was very patient with me. When I think about it, it seems all the other places i was shown IDEAL cuts only. but they called them Super Ideals and
Signature Ideal cuts. Which made me realize, they can anyhow just term their cuts.

Anyway, i think it was.. 2hours long session? and another 1 hour with designs, all in all I ended up picking the octagon LOL. after so much talk about rounds right?
but it was really nice with the 4 prongs sample.So i left my bf to choose a $5350 and $6400. Actually I'll be happy whichever he picks la.. smaller also may look nicer to wear everyday. The specifications I have it back at home, i'll post it later :>

That's my review for now. Design wise i left a few to for my bf to choose... but when i think about it maybe i shouldn't go for the side diamonds one...

oh! and pricing wise, JP is about maybe 5% more roughly. depending on which type you buy, like solasfera or super ideal. but super ideal wise maybe it's 5% more, some can even be cheaper, some more, it varies. but the quality is NOT ONLY 5% more.
This is the part that you guys should go and learn.... you cannot just look at certificate and compare price.. there can be so much difference in quality.
oh i forgot, JP also has a sarin scanner, similar to a helium scanner. It can scan your diamond and can give you ALL the small angles and proportions of your diamond, like how many % is the table off centre, what are the upper girdle facet angles. I read this from GoG but it was a little bit technical.
Casey still explained most of it to me after he scanned the diamond. He says they use it for checking their incoming supply but show clients if they request for it.

It's funny most of the reviews here don't have a similar experience as me, if you did research you would definitely have come across the quality differences.

here are some websites to start learning for the new people on your search:
www.pricescope.com
www.prosumerdiamonds.com
www.goodoldgold.com

that's already alot to read.. or on youtube channel you can watch Jannpaul and Good old gold.

Good detailed read. Nice~ That was alot of research done. And I thought I did enough research when I purchase mine.. hahahah!
 

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Went down to jp last sat and was served by Vince. I have my mind set on getting the Octagon diamond. It looks so impressive. But still undecided if I should go for bigger diamond with lower color and clarity or small carat with better color and clarity. Price diff for all 3 is abt $500. I don't mind paying abit more if its worth it.

Please give me some comments between these 3 diamonds I have shortlisted.

The color comparison:

D and E is can't really see the difference.. but my gf's initial starts with a D so more symbolic. G and E I can see the difference which bothers me abit.. Though that's only if I compare them next to each other.

Carat size difference:

0.57 and 0.59 not much diff. 0.57 and 0.61 can see its abit bigger.

I think its either the 0.61 G VS1 for the size or 0.59 D VS1 for the symbolic meaning.. Any opinions on this? Or anything I might miss out?

I will go with either D or E colour. In terms of size, perhaps best to go with 0.59c D VS1. It has decent clarity, excellent colour and good size. Definitely not going for G colour if the difference is only 500 dollars. I would prefer D VS1.

Try to negotiate.
 

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Went down to jp last sat and was served by Vince. I have my mind set on getting the Octagon diamond. It looks so impressive. But still undecided if I should go for bigger diamond with lower color and clarity or small carat with better color and clarity. Price diff for all 3 is abt $500. I don't mind paying abit more if its worth it.

Please give me some comments between these 3 diamonds I have shortlisted.

AYnhK1w.jpg

ZrMb5Hh.jpg

fqtDmQs.jpg


The color comparison:

9VRBNgb.jpg

VTBQxLO.jpg


D and E is can't really see the difference.. but my gf's initial starts with a D so more symbolic. G and E I can see the difference which bothers me abit.. Though that's only if I compare them next to each other.

Carat size difference:

ZrMPdte.jpg


0.57 and 0.59 not much diff. 0.57 and 0.61 can see its abit bigger.

I think its either the 0.61 G VS1 for the size or 0.59 D VS1 for the symbolic meaning.. Any opinions on this? Or anything I might miss out?

D and G is is quite far apart le. I'm quite color sensitive and find the G abit yellow. But I also have friends who cant see the diff. Did you try considering an F? Somewhere in-between :)
 

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If giving me a choice of these 3 diamonds, I will probably go for the D VS1, since size not much difference compared to 0.61 and with a better color, clarity not much of an issue as you can't really see.

Went down to jp last sat and was served by Vince. I have my mind set on getting the Octagon diamond. It looks so impressive. But still undecided if I should go for bigger diamond with lower color and clarity or small carat with better color and clarity. Price diff for all 3 is abt $500. I don't mind paying abit more if its worth it.

Please give me some comments between these 3 diamonds I have shortlisted.

AYnhK1w.jpg

ZrMb5Hh.jpg

fqtDmQs.jpg


The color comparison:

9VRBNgb.jpg

VTBQxLO.jpg


D and E is can't really see the difference.. but my gf's initial starts with a D so more symbolic. G and E I can see the difference which bothers me abit.. Though that's only if I compare them next to each other.

Carat size difference:

ZrMPdte.jpg


0.57 and 0.59 not much diff. 0.57 and 0.61 can see its abit bigger.

I think its either the 0.61 G VS1 for the size or 0.59 D VS1 for the symbolic meaning.. Any opinions on this? Or anything I might miss out?
 
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