Proposal Ring - Part 3

[Miltah]

I meant the small tiny diamonds that JP uses on their setting or bands are Signature melees and not super ideal cuts. Cos by those small tiny diamonds are not certified. so by right, cannot be called Super ideal cuts. Thats why I think even the small diamonds that JP uses are better quality and value.

Oh melee. Sorry mis-read. But when u say it’s better, I would really encourage you to take a 10x loupe and look at the melees. It’s quite eye opening

I was thinking 0.2-0.3C. JP does not certify anything under 0.3C so you are going by their word
So if I gave someone a scenario of guaranteed cut, ASET plus scope and graded vs the jeweller’s word, no cert, no grading ... which would u choose?

 

[evelynleebali]

Oh melee. Sorry mis-read. But when u say it’s better, I would really encourage you to take a 10x loupe and look at the melees. It’s quite eye opening

I was thinking 0.2-0.3C. JP does not certify anything under 0.3C so you are going by their word
So if I gave someone a scenario of guaranteed cut, ASET plus scope and graded vs the jeweller’s word, no cert, no grading ... which would u choose?

Hahaha, yeah. I meant the small small crusted diamonds. Not sure whats the exact name for them. They did show them to me with the hears & arrows scope of the good and bad small ones. I wasn't going for my wedding bands yet that time so they suggested booking a band education session after I collect my e-ring.

 

[KinoChoco]

Oh melee. Sorry mis-read. But when u say it’s better, I would really encourage you to take a 10x loupe and look at the melees. It’s quite eye opening

I was thinking 0.2-0.3C. JP does not certify anything under 0.3C so you are going by their word
So if I gave someone a scenario of guaranteed cut, ASET plus scope and graded vs the jeweller’s word, no cert, no grading ... which would u choose?

Yup, JP does use H&A melees (backed up with scope), they only uses the top range melee and D-F color only, alot other jeweller cut cost on this and uses low quality melees as not much people actually does any comparison on the melees

 

[Miltah]

Yup, JP does use H&A melees (backed up with scope), they only uses the top range melee and D-F color only, alot other jeweller cut cost on this and uses low quality melees as not much people actually does any comparison on the melees

When I said eye opening, I noticed they are not as well precision cut as a SIC
Frankly I dun expect them to be... cant imagine the precision needed for such a small size.
And when set in an eternity band, they dun all face up ‘properly’
Of course, this just depends on how anal you want to be and this again is viewed via a 10x loupe

 

[KinoChoco]

When I said eye opening, I noticed they are not as well precision cut as a SIC
Frankly I dun expect them to be... cant imagine the precision needed for such a small size.
And when set in an eternity band, they dun all face up ‘properly’
Of course, this just depends on how anal you want to be and this again is viewed via a 10x loupe

I’m very anal. HAHA. I even wanted solasfera melee before, but they stopped cutting such sized melees.

 

[Maccabi]

Hello guys. Need some help here. Which is more worth it?

0.71 Vvs2 3ex fluorescence N colour D $5776

0.84 vs1 3ex fluorescence F colour D $7885

 

[Miltah]

Hello guys. Need some help here. Which is more worth it?

0.71 Vvs2 3ex fluorescence N colour D $5776
0.84 vs1 3ex fluorescence F colour D $7885

What’s the gia no. for both of them.
There seems to be quite a price jump with negligible size increase
I’m assuming N stands for No fluorescent

 

[Maccabi]

What’s the gia no. for both of them.
There seems to be quite a price jump with negligible size increase
I’m assuming N stands for No fluorescent

Yes. The gia for 0.71 is 6301809050
Gia for 0.84 is 2318319680

 

[CaptainFantastic]

Yes. The gia for 0.71 is 6301809050
Gia for 0.84 is 2318319680

The 0.71 is a D VVS2 with faint fluorescence. I'd rather drop the color and clarity and go for no fluorescence.

0.84 D VS1 is on the steep side on the 62.5% depth.

It will be easier if you have the scopes, these 2 seems to have some potential issues and it's better to get more info on them I feel

Btw, if you want to do price check. Give the GIA number to JP. Sometimes they can quote the same diamond at cheaper price from their hoh side

 

[Maccabi]

The 0.71 is a D VVS2 with faint fluorescence. I'd rather drop the color and clarity and go for no fluorescence.

0.84 D VS1 is on the steep side on the 62.5% depth.

It will be easier if you have the scopes, these 2 seems to have some potential issues and it's better to get more info on them I feel

Btw, if you want to do price check. Give the GIA number to JP. Sometimes they can quote the same diamond at cheaper price from their hoh side

Tyvm for the input. Very noob at this stuff

 

[Miltah]

0.71 Vvs2 3ex fluorescence N colour D $5776
0.84 vs1 3ex fluorescence F colour D $7885

Had a quick look, the first one while cheaper and better clarity has more issues. Looks like a ‘short n fat’ diamond. Low depth n wide table. Cutter probably trying to max wt out

The 0.84 while lower clarity n with fluorescent appears ‘better cut’ just based on angles. I wouldn’t pick both. But if I had to, it would be the 0.84c. Faint fluorescent when curated well is not an issue. Just go HOH and ask to see them. Think it was a medium blue I saw... it was hardly milky or hazy.

As others pointed out, u need more info. But if your budget has the potential to buy the second stone then I’d say there are better options ard

 

[Miltah]

Here’s a story for u. Customer bought a 2 caret G graded stone and couldn’t believe it looked worse than her G-J coloured cluster ring from Tiffany.
It was brought back to be re-graded and guess what. It was a G color...the surrounding environment had a part to play

But here’s also the thing, when buying smaller diamonds, u can go lower color as it tends not to show as much. It’s general physics 101, light has a shorter path through a small diamond vs a larger one.

 

[KinoChoco]

Here’s a story for u. Customer bought a 2 caret G graded stone and couldn’t believe it looked worse than her G-J coloured cluster ring from Tiffany.
It was brought back to be re-graded and guess what. It was a G color...the surrounding environment had a part to play

But here’s also the thing, when buying smaller diamonds, u can go lower color as it tends not to show as much. It’s general physics 101, light has a shorter path through a small diamond vs a larger one.

I think the cut also plays a big part? I've seen SIC G colors and it does not give out any yellow tint even with such lighting, the pictured G color probably have a horrible cut too?

 

[Miltah]

I think the cut also plays a big part? I've seen SIC G colors and it does not give out any yellow tint even with such lighting, the pictured G color probably have a horrible cut too?

The pictured G is a Whiteflash ACA which fulfils their specs but there was another pic which I didn’t upload which showed that there was less tint. So the ambient light plays a huge role

 

[Miltah]

Perhaps given the right lighting and great cut...

4ct K color. That hardly looks like a K but I’m sure if u twirl it around, u will see the tint

I think the cut also plays a big part? I've seen SIC G colors and it does not give out any yellow tint even with such lighting, the pictured G color probably have a horrible cut too?

 

[green93green]

Hi guys, I’m planning to head down to JP to buy my engagement ring. Booking my appointment now. I have totally no knowledge about rings.. Budget 4k - 5k
Anyone free to educate me haha.

 

[Tord__]

Hi guys, I’m planning to head down to JP to buy my engagement ring. Booking my appointment now. I have totally no knowledge about rings.. Budget 4k - 5k
Anyone free to educate me haha.

Since you are already heading there, let the expert there to guide u. Does your budget include ring setting? To give u a rough idea I just pick up my ring from JP. Price is roughly 4.5k + 1k setting for a .58 F VS2 diamond with side diamonds setting.

I suggest you to ask for a diamond from HOH within the same budget for a comparison to JP sic.

 

[Maccabi]

Had a quick look, the first one while cheaper and better clarity has more issues. Looks like a ‘short n fat’ diamond. Low depth n wide table. Cutter probably trying to max wt out

The 0.84 while lower clarity n with fluorescent appears ‘better cut’ just based on angles. I wouldn’t pick both. But if I had to, it would be the 0.84c. Faint fluorescent when curated well is not an issue. Just go HOH and ask to see them. Think it was a medium blue I saw... it was hardly milky or hazy.

As others pointed out, u need more info. But if your budget has the potential to buy the second stone then I’d say there are better options ard

I made a mistake. The 0.84 should be no florescene

 

[green93green]

Noted, thanks for the tips! Whoa its really exp. took me some time to save up to 5k
I read roughly what people post here, so it’s either a bigger diamond or a higher quality one.

Since you are already heading there, let the expert there to guide u. Does your budget include ring setting? To give u a rough idea I just pick up my ring from JP. Price is roughly 4.5k + 1k setting for a .58 F VS2 diamond with side diamonds setting.

I suggest you to ask for a diamond from HOH within the same budget for a comparison to JP sic.

 

[Miltah]

When I said there’s value outside of JP at the 0.2-0.3C range, here’s what I mean ... (remembering that they dun certify anything under 0.3C)

If you only have a 3-4K budget, we know that’s only going to get u a 0.4+caret SIC.
But let’s say u went the online route with Brian Gavin diamonds. You can make a trinity or 3 diamond ring (0.2/0.3/0.2c) with F n G color. Small diamonds gets away with lower colors. This will come in about $$2.5k (gst added) add $600 for the ring at HOH

So would you have a 0.4C SIC or a 0.7c total weight with a 57x3 facets bling?