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Have you guys noticed the top performers in resale from last time till now has never been integrated development? 😁
Probably Because premium usually has been priced in.
It’s always those non investor type of pure residential properties that outperforms others.
Agree that premium has been priced in for RR .

Northpark residences did perform pretty well, but Yishun was never regarded as a 'premium' location.

PR8 VVIP & early morning buyers got a great deal, but this is probably due to mispricing from Allgreen.

The other integrated developments IMO will likely underperform their nearby pure residential peers.
 

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Agree that premium has been priced in for RR .

Northpark residences did perform pretty well, but Yishun was never regarded as a 'premium' location.

PR8 VVIP & early morning buyers got a great deal, but this is probably due to mispricing from Allgreen.

The other integrated developments IMO will likely underperform their nearby pure residential peers.
What was the mispricing? PR8 now look so cheap at 1.6k+ psf when that time we thought its not really cheap. SG pricing is really insane…
 

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Agree that premium has been priced in for RR .

Northpark residences did perform pretty well, but Yishun was never regarded as a 'premium' location.

PR8 VVIP & early morning buyers got a great deal, but this is probably due to mispricing from Allgreen.

The other integrated developments IMO will likely underperform their nearby pure residential peers.
Northpark good profit was likely due to launch timing in 2015, property lull period with good entry price. So there’s room to make good profit margin.
Park place during launch the hype was also quite similar to reserve during 2017/2018. The buyers buy into the PLQ township with grade A offices and 2 mrt lines and 4 surrounding malls. But it’s profit is not as good compared to parc esta (which is a pure residential and one stop away) despite PP’s stellar location.
Watertown has a mixed of profitable unit and unprofitable units, the profitable ones are mainly the smaller units and the lose money ones/harder to exit ones are 4 bedder sky patio unit and those loft units. Other nearby condo in Punggol mostly outperform Watertown in resale like ATT, parc centros, Prive.

Bedok residence didn’t perform well. Profit was rather disappointing. When I was at B1 of Bedok Mall, I can feel the floor got trembling sensation whenever mrt pass by. Not sure if this is the cause. That’s y I avoid sky eden.

SKG subsale profit was disappointing, mainly 5 figures nia, not sure PR8 will follow suit as both estate are well known to be flooded with condos. Not forgetting PR8 did a 5x price increase within a day, The later buyers are exposed to higher risk for sure after seeing SKG disappointing recent Sub sales.
WLR first subsale gross profit only 150k nia, after deduct bsd, agent comm likely also in 5 figure range profit. Also not impressive,

So far, probably after seeing the above, I started to lose confidence in integrated development Liao. 😁
 
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Agree that premium has been priced in for RR .

Northpark residences did perform pretty well, but Yishun was never regarded as a 'premium' location.

PR8 VVIP & early morning buyers got a great deal, but this is probably due to mispricing from Allgreen.

The other integrated developments IMO will likely underperform their nearby pure residential peers.
Premium? What premium? No premium leh if you compare with d15, no mrt still can get 2.5k+
 

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It's all in the brochures... your agents will also brief you if they are not too busy expounding on the virtues only..
Orange Tee for example was doing some information slideshows and the gist of it is how much money you'll make.. no down side and what are smart person you are if you buy this :)
bao huat. I hope the agents also grab a few units for themselves
 

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Northpark good profit was likely due to launch timing in 2015, property lull period with good entry price. So there’s room to make good profit margin.
Park place during launch the hype was also quite similar to reserve during 2017/2018. The buyers buy into the PLQ township with grade A offices and 2 mrt lines and 4 surrounding malls. But it’s profit is not as good compared to parc esta (which is a pure residential and one stop away) despite PP’s stellar location.
Watertown has a mixed of profitable unit and unprofitable units, the profitable ones are mainly the smaller units and the lose money ones/harder to exit ones are 4 bedder sky patio unit and those loft units. Other nearby condo in Punggol mostly outperform Watertown in resale like ATT, parc centros, Prive.

Bedok residence didn’t perform well. Profit was rather disappointing. When I was at B1 of Bedok Mall, I can feel the floor got trembling sensation whenever mrt pass by. Not sure if this is the cause. That’s y I avoid sky eden.

SKG subsale profit was disappointing, mainly 5 figures nia, not sure PR8 will follow suit as both estate are well known to be flooded with condos. Not forgetting PR8 did a 5x price increase within a day, The later buyers are exposed to higher risk for sure after seeing SKG disappointing recent Sub sales.
WLR first subsale gross profit only 150k nia, after deduct bsd, agent comm likely also in 5 figure range profit. Also not impressive,

So far, probably after seeing the above, I started to lose confidence in integrated development Liao. 😁
alot of people will only think of gross profit and somehow forget about interest cost and miscellaneous. haha
 

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Northpark good profit was likely due to launch timing in 2015, property lull period with good entry price. So there’s room to make good profit margin.
Park place during launch the hype was also quite similar to reserve during 2017/2018. The buyers buy into the PLQ township with grade A offices and 2 mrt lines and 4 surrounding malls. But it’s profit is not as good compared to parc esta (which is a pure residential and one stop away) despite PP’s stellar location.
Watertown has a mixed of profitable unit and unprofitable units, the profitable ones are mainly the smaller units and the lose money ones/harder to exit ones are 4 bedder sky patio unit and those loft units. Other nearby condo in Punggol mostly outperform Watertown in resale like ATT, parc centros, Prive.

Bedok residence didn’t perform well. Profit was rather disappointing. When I was at B1 of Bedok Mall, I can feel the floor got trembling sensation whenever mrt pass by. Not sure if this is the cause. That’s y I avoid sky eden.

SKG subsale profit was disappointing, mainly 5 figures nia, not sure PR8 will follow suit as both estate are well known to be flooded with condos. Not forgetting PR8 did a 5x price increase within a day, The later buyers are exposed to higher risk for sure after seeing SKG disappointing recent Sub sales.
WLR first subsale gross profit only 150k nia, after deduct bsd, agent comm likely also in 5 figure range profit. Also not impressive,

So far, probably after seeing the above, I started to lose confidence in integrated development Liao. 😁
All our discussions really highlighting the importance of entry price above anything else: https://www.todayonline.com/business/property/frasers-s143b-top-bid-yishun-site-stuns-market

North Park Residences was cheap in comparison, it was suggested that they absorbed the development cost into the commercial side which TRR is placing on the residential owners.
 

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Northpark good profit was likely due to launch timing in 2015, property lull period with good entry price. So there’s room to make good profit margin.
Park place during launch the hype was also quite similar to reserve during 2017/2018. The buyers buy into the PLQ township with grade A offices and 2 mrt lines and 4 surrounding malls. But it’s profit is not as good compared to parc esta (which is a pure residential and one stop away) despite PP’s stellar location.
Watertown has a mixed of profitable unit and unprofitable units, the profitable ones are mainly the smaller units and the lose money ones/harder to exit ones are 4 bedder sky patio unit and those loft units. Other nearby condo in Punggol mostly outperform Watertown in resale like ATT, parc centros, Prive.

Bedok residence didn’t perform well. Profit was rather disappointing. When I was at B1 of Bedok Mall, I can feel the floor got trembling sensation whenever mrt pass by. Not sure if this is the cause. That’s y I avoid sky eden.

SKG subsale profit was disappointing, mainly 5 figures nia, not sure PR8 will follow suit as both estate are well known to be flooded with condos. Not forgetting PR8 did a 5x price increase within a day, The later buyers are exposed to higher risk for sure after seeing SKG disappointing recent Sub sales.
WLR first subsale gross profit only 150k nia, after deduct bsd, agent comm likely also in 5 figure range profit. Also not impressive,

So far, probably after seeing the above, I started to lose confidence in integrated development Liao. 😁
All our discussions really highlighting the importance of entry price above anything else: https://www.todayonline.com/business/property/frasers-s143b-top-bid-yishun-site-stuns-market

North Park Residences was cheap in comparison, it was suggested that they absorbed the development cost into the commercial side which TRR is placing on the residential owners.

Fraser Property made good profits on Northpoint city & Northpark residences. Land cost was above 1000 psf ppr. Fraser won this bid during the market peak in 2013, and the price of the bid surprised many.

Average launch price was 1300psf, and Frasers made profit on both Northpoint City & Northpark residences.

https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...frasers-property-q2-profit-surges-74-to-1241m
Far East must be making insane profits here.
 

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Fraser Property made good profits on Northpoint city & Northpark residences. Land cost was above 1000 psf ppr. Fraser won this bid during the market peak in 2013, and the price of the bid surprised many.

Average launch price was 1300psf, and Frasers made profit on both Northpoint City & Northpark residences.

https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...frasers-property-q2-profit-surges-74-to-1241m
Far East must be making insane profits here.
Second richest family here for a reason
 

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Fraser Property made good profits on Northpoint city & Northpark residences. Land cost was above 1000 psf ppr. Fraser won this bid during the market peak in 2013, and the price of the bid surprised many.

Average launch price was 1300psf, and Frasers made profit on both Northpoint City & Northpark residences.

https://www.straitstimes.com/busine...frasers-property-q2-profit-surges-74-to-1241m
Far East must be making insane profits here.
Land cost above 1000psf ppr. Sell 1300 psf

Reserve 989 psf ppr but Sell 23xx onwards, likely 25xx avg or more.

Am i missing something here? How come reserve so much more expensive?

i saw clavon is 788 psf ppr, but sell 15xx psf which is 7xx psf profit. TG is 1302 psf but sell 24xx psf?

Previously they can sell +300psf to +700psf from land price now need to sell 14xx psf onwards from land price
 
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Land cost above 1000psf ppr. Sell 1300 psf

Reserve 989 psf ppr but Sell 23xx onwards, likely 25xx avg or more.

Am i missing something here? How come reserve so much more expensive?

i saw clavon is 788 psf ppr, but sell 15xx psf which is 7xx psf profit. TG is 10xx psf but sell 24xx psf?

Previously they can sell +300psf to +700psf from land price now need to sell 14xx psf onwards from land price
If you use that maths, then they make big time.
What they are saying is that the residential component is much smaller and someone pays for the cost of the malls and the rest of the infrastructure... and that someone is you...
Plus Linq is now selling for 2700 psf so they don't feel shy
Don't like that? Move on and get another location or stay on the sidelines and vote with your wallet. But FEO aren't known to be generous or give you special deals... just saying...
But as I said before, there are alternatives in many parts of SG for less money, but they may not have the same features ....
 

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If you use that maths, then they make big time.
What they are saying is that the residential component is much smaller and someone pays for the cost of the malls and the rest of the infrastructure... and that someone is you...
Plus Linq is now selling for 2700 psf so they don't feel shy
Don't like that? Move on and get another location or stay on the sidelines and vote with your wallet. But FEO aren't known to be generous or give you special deals... just saying...
But as I said before, there are alternatives in many parts of SG for less money, but they may not have the same features ....
2700psf… really buyers in 2020 make crazy money… lol
 

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Reserve 989 psf ppr but Sell 23xx onwards, likely 25xx avg or more.

i saw clavon is 788 psf ppr, but sell 15xx psf which is 7xx psf profit. TG is 10xx psf but sell 24xx psf?

Not like that count de

UOL Group Limited submitted the top bid for Clementi Ave 1 in the GLS site in July 2019 with a winning bid of $491.3 million beating 4 other competitors. With a land size of 16,542.1 sqm and a plot ratio of 3.5, the gross floor area works out to be 57,900 sqm which translates to about $788 per square foot per plot ratio (psf ppr).

With construction cost, land financing cost, professional/legal/taxes cost, etc. added to the land cost, the estimated breakeven price for the developer is about $1,334 per sq ft per plot ratio. With an initial 15% to 25% profit margin, buyers can expect the units at Clavon to be priced at around $1,534 to $1,668 per sq ft.

$788 land psf
$1334 breakeven psf
$1640 average sold psf

so UOL earn agar $300 psf.

same thing applies to other developer projects.
 

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Not like that count de

UOL Group Limited submitted the top bid for Clementi Ave 1 in the GLS site in July 2019 with a winning bid of $491.3 million beating 4 other competitors. With a land size of 16,542.1 sqm and a plot ratio of 3.5, the gross floor area works out to be 57,900 sqm which translates to about $788 per square foot per plot ratio (psf ppr).

With construction cost, land financing cost, professional/legal/taxes cost, etc. added to the land cost, the estimated breakeven price for the developer is about $1,334 per sq ft per plot ratio. With an initial 15% to 25% profit margin, buyers can expect the units at Clavon to be priced at around $1,534 to $1,668 per sq ft.

$788 land psf
$1334 breakeven psf
$1640 average sold psf

so UOL earn agar $300 psf.

same thing applies to other developer projects.
Yup.. just wondering why 1000psf ppr purchase can sell 13xx psf for northpoint. They dont have construction costs?
 

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Yup.. just wondering why 1000psf ppr purchase can sell 13xx psf for northpoint. They dont have construction costs?
1000 psf ppr includes the shopping mall component. the psf of the shop units is worth more than the residential units. So the underlying residential component psf ppr cost is likely much lower.
 

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1000 psf ppr includes the shopping mall component. the psf of the shop units is worth more than the residential units. So the underlying residential component psf ppr cost is likely much lower.
So for reserve, 989 psf ppr include shopping mall component or never?
 
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1000 psf ppr includes the shopping mall component. the psf of the shop units is worth more than the residential units. So the underlying residential component psf ppr cost is likely much lower.
Any mixed project, calculate domestic or residential ppr.
Max Residential area z m2, say $D ppr.
Max Commercial area say Y m2, say $ 2D ppr.
Say C land cost.
Residence ppr, =C /(z m2) +(Y m2x 2).

Examples here commercial value 100 percent higher than residential.
How much commercial value higher than resi is subjective, it's a average figure.
Some good location shop in mall may be few times higher than resi, some may be lower.

Construction cost, comm usually lower than resi, unless basement.

Experts can share more pl.

Mine is not perfect, but closer to reality than normal calculations in newspaper , ie just calculate total area of comm and residential. C/(z+Y) m2.
 
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