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JustDoLor

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Need to run some errands, and was at Marymount MRT. The whole stretch of underpass (before the fare gates) that I passed through is consistently given me over 130MHz!😆

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On the moving train, also not bad.
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This shall be my last post on Speedtest. Now life back to normal 😃
 

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I posted so many info, but only a single “Liked” ah?

Anyway…

It is more complicated as I initially expected. So would not be able to provide detailed explanation. Hope this help abit.


A quick answer is:
First the basic, lower frequency generally provide better indoor signal strength with longer range. Higher frequency in general better suited for covering populated zones and managing data volumes due to their larger bandwidth. However, it also suffers from higher attenuation (loss of energy) when propagating through walls and windows.

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TPG LTE operates on band 8 and 40 as follows:

Band 8 uses LTE-FDD.
895 to 905MHz Uplink,
940 to 950MHz downlink.
( Bandwidth 10MHz per channel)

Band 40 uses LTE-TDD.
2300 to 2340MHz
(BW 40MHz)

LTD-TDD has the option and flexibility to focus on asymmetry DL/UL services, i.e. it is possible to dynamically change the UL and DL capacity ratio to match demand.

For LTE-FDD, UL/DL capacity is determined by frequency band allocation, it is therefore inflexible to make dynamic changes to match capacity. So it is normally symmetrical in both directions.

For more detail u may want to to google LTE-FDD vs LTE-TDD.
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Ok, come to the actual user experience.

On TPG network and at inside my flat, my mobile phone was observed to switch between band 8 and band 40 depending on where I was in the flat as the signal strength and quality would fluctuate. Default is band 40, which provide better DL speed with somewhat limited UL speed. The fallback is band 8, but with lower DL and comparatively higher UL.

I also observed that band 8 and band 40 located on the same cell tower. However for band 8, the signal strength is at about 10dB higher.

Lastly, the upload is performed by your mobile phone with limited power. As lower frequency (band 8), it can travel further and penetrate obstacles much easier compare to band 40, which is at much higher frequency.

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Speed test done on iPhone.

Mobile cell info done on Android phone with app “Network Cell Info Lite)

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Interesting to note the following LTE bands use by the other 3 telco (by googling):

Starhub: 3,7
Singtel: 3,7,8
M1: 3, 7

All 3 main telco uses only LTE-FDD, but with at least double the bandwidth as compare to TPG. It could then explain why in the OpenSignal’s study, the UL speed of the 3 telco is much better than TPG.

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(BTW, I m not working and has never worked in the telco/mobile industry. So the experts here, if I made any mistakes, plse kindly pointed out. Thank you)

Small correction, while you did correctly indicate that the frequencies there may be used for Band 42, Band 42 itself actually overlaps with 5G n78, and that's what the telcos use it for. They use that block of spectrum for 5G Band n78.
 

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I was only looking and comparing the LTE band, and was wondering why IMDA allocation overshoot the upper limit on band 42. Now I know why. Thanks.

Didn’t go into the details on 5G. Only knew about the 2.1GHz and 3.5GHz spectrum in the news. So I was not aware of the “n” until now.

Googled and found your post on the other thread… LOL
Some updates (this post is highly ranked on Google so for those of you just coming in, this may be relevant):

Band 1 / n1 (FDD 2100 / IMT) is being used by all 4 telcos (including TPG) for 5G (and some 3G service)
Band 3 / n3 (FDD 1800 / DCS) now supports 5G (NSA) using DSS on the Big 3.
Band 7 / n7 (FDD 2600 / IMT-E) and Band 38 / n38 (TDD 2600 / IMT-E) might be combined into Band 41 / n41 (TDD 2600 / BRS), as IMDA has shown interest in doing so. There may be 5G service on n41.
Band 8 / n8 (FDD 900 / EGSM) now supports 5G (NSA) using DSS on StarHub only.
Band 40 / n40 (TDD 2300 / S-Band) is no longer used for TPG's 5G. They are instead deploying an SA network on n1.

5G NSA is operating on these bands now:
SingTel - n3 (DSS), n78 (fastest)
StarHub - n3 (DSS), n8 (DSS)
M1 - n3 (DSS), n8 (DSS)
TPG - N/A

5G SA is operating on these bands now:
SingTel - n1, n78
StarHub & M1 (Anita) - n1, n78
TPG - n1

Small correction, while you did correctly indicate that the frequencies there may be used for Band 42, Band 42 itself actually overlaps with 5G n78, and that's what the telcos use it for. They use that block of spectrum for 5G Band n78.
 

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but given the data of 5g in tpg but are they 5g ready yet?
You might want to look at IMDA's clearly stated requirements for telcos for 5G rollout. It gives a good sense of "5G readiness".

Here's the IMDA press release:
https://www.imda.gov.sg/news-and-ev...apore-Forges-Ahead-with-Nationwide-5G-Rollout
Salient points:
The winners will be required to provide coverage for at least half of Singapore by end-2022, scaling up to nationwide coverage by end 2025.

A later press release at end-Nov 2021 (barely 2 months ago) reiterated the same timelines:
https://www.imda.gov.sg/news-and-ev...re-Spectrum-To-Support-5G-Growth-In-Singapore
We're still a good 3y away from islandwide coverage. So users need to manage their expectations. ;) Truthfully, we're only at the start of 2022, not yet at the required timeline for 50% of the island. To me,anything less than 80% islandwide coverage is not quite "5G ready", and going by the official timelines by the regulatory body, that magic 80% figure may only be met by early 2025 and not before, giving us at least 3 years to wait for deployment.
 

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Porting from Circles to TPG.

Collected SIM on Saturday 29/1.

After collecting email came in say port initiated on 29/1, to be completed on 30/1 but exclude sat, sun, ph.

Circles life line disconnected on 29/1 at 11pm.

Tpg line still not connected as of 30/1 0030 hrs

edit: Connected at 0212 hrs on 30/1.
 
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Hi guys. check with you all. I just tried to pop my TPG simcard into Pocophone F1. I am quite sure it supports volte, but strangely i tried putting the TPG simcard in both tray1 and tray2 also cannot detect volte. I had to install the TPG app to make calls.

I tried * # * # 86583 # * # * , but nothing changes
 

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Hi guys. check with you all. I just tried to pop my TPG simcard into Pocophone F1. I am quite sure it supports volte, but strangely i tried putting the TPG simcard in both tray1 and tray2 also cannot detect volte. I had to install the TPG app to make calls.

I tried * # * # 86583 # * # * , but nothing changes
After keying the code u should see a message briefly appear near the bottom “VoLTE carrier check was disabled”. If not try again.

Next u need to go to Settings > SIM Card & mobile networks, select the SIM 1 or 2 and turn on VoLTE.
 

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After keying the code u should see a message briefly appear near the bottom “VoLTE carrier check was disabled”. If not try again.

Next u need to go to Settings > SIM Card & mobile networks, select the SIM 1 or 2 and turn on VoLTE.
If it appears disabled mean wrong right? Have to says enable?
 

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well is there anypne tried tested 5G with tpg card? given that the news have indicated that TPG have SA.
 

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well is there anypne tried tested 5G with tpg card? given that the news have indicated that TPG have SA.
They have 5G SA spectrum but have not used it yet. Confirm will be big news when they finally start 5G service.
 
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