Singapore drops Ultimax 100 light machine gun for US Colt IAR6940 Infantry Automatic Rifle

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Another video to talk about the recoil system.


That's how the ultimax is supposed to perform, unlike the nonsense we handled during training. It's really meant for good suppressive fire given how easy it is to control the recoil at full auto relative to other mainstream rifles. Relatively lightweight as well. The whole open chamber concept, I suppose, is for you to quickly dump the whole mag and whatever rounds in chamber during an IA, reload new magazine, and go again.

And no, the weapon isn't meant for FIBUA. It's for ease of pumping lead at a high rate from a distance; not ease of handling in close spaces with reliability against IA.
 
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I see a huge disparity in views regarding Ultimax.

How come AMDK all wax lyrical about firing stability, low recoil, no jam, compact size etc, especially those in the hands of the Yugoslav veterans. And it almost won USMC SAW contract back in the days if not for "buy local".

But local users kpkb all sorts of problems.

One thing for sure, the examples handed to NSF/NSmen are highly worn out and shouldn't see service if there's a real conflict. Definitely not with those shitty refurbished and improvised M16 magazines that'd fall off with a little tap.
Try walking with this in thick tropical jungle rather than standing there and shooting at target.
 

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.....At the national level, it simplifies the need to maintain many ammunition types. Although we still have 7.62 for the gpmg, we just need to mass spam 5.56. Much easier for STK production too

Wars are won by logistics, not having superweapons. If it were, the Germans and Japs would have won ww2
Heng ah...S'pore men getting more bbfa, hack care simi ippt & marksman, just Umbrage Ng will do as long as got rounds to shoot

no wonder our president say:
no chicken eat, eat pork. no pork eat fish.

saf: no 7.62, use 5.56. no 5.56 use blanks. No blanks use universal round ~ even logistics is not a problem for saf !

ya....alot of us sinkie NS kias' crappy review of it is due to us being issued old massively reused old equipment for training rather than the equipment being bad.

old mags + blanks = prone to jams.
new mags with actual full powered rounds will bring out the power of this weapon.
Peacetime don't even provide proper equip for realistic training, war time can win meh?
 
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now infrantry how many men per section ar :unsure: still 2 LAW.. 2 SAW.. 2 M203 ..1sec comd? now SAR21 has build in optics, sec comd now carry what?
 

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Another video to talk about the recoil system.


That's how the ultimax is supposed to perform, unlike the nonsense we handled during training. It's really meant for good suppressive fire given how it is to control the recoil at full auto relative to other mainstream rifles. Relatively lightweight as well. The whole open chamber concept, I suppose, is for you to quickly dump the whole mag and whatever rounds in chamber during an IA, reload new magazine, and go again.

And no, the weapon isn't meant for FIBUA. It's for ease of pumping lead at a high rate from a distance; not ease of handling in close spaces with reliability against IA.

I always thought our best weapons were factory-fresh and placed in storage for an actual war.

Meanwhile what we use for training are probably older than the age of the NSFs, the armorer keep fixing and fixing until sian liao.
 

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I was issued with the Ultimax 100 when it first came out in 1982. It was actually quite reliable as compared to the M16 due to its long stroke gas piston design as compared to the direct impingement gas system of the M16. Yes it would jam when used with blanks but with live rounds, there was no problem, as long as the magazine held up. With the constant recoil system used by our Ultimax, our Singapore designed gun is the most accurate (in full auto) and lightest SAW in the world, and I believe it still is. However, the problem with the Ultimax are the drums and the modified STANAG (ie M16 magazines) used. Drums are bulky (ie not space efficient to store ammo) vs belt fed ammo and more importantly the drums we used had to be reloaded using a special mechanism. It cannot be reloaded by hand in the field. Hence, to address this issue, most of our SAW gunners are thus issued 30 round M16 "magazines', however these are modified by drilling 2 holes near the feed lips of the magazine. One cannot just use standard m16 magazines for the Ultimax. The holes affected the structural integrity of these modified magazine and made it flimsy, thus culminating to a host of problems, for example not sitting well into the gun (ie thus causing jams) or dropping off from the gun. Now if you mostly used your SAW with 30 round magazines and you face the problems above, it just made more sense to then replace it with the M27.

The M27 is based of the HK416. It is not an M16 which uses the direct impingement system (ie hot gasses are injected directly into the bolt system to cycle the gun). The M27 and HK416 use the short stroke gas piston which makes the weapon much more reliable. With the m16 you have to clean the gun regularly especially the bolt carrier group and lubricate it or else it will jam frequently. The long stroke (used in our Ultimax and AK47) and short stroke piston system prevents hot gasses (and thus soot) from getting in the bolt carrier group thus eliminating this problem. The M27 also does not have the magazine problem that our Ultimax have. It uses standard m16 STANAG magazines. On top of that the M27 is a closed bolt system designed to be extremely accurate. It is not exactly a full SAW like our Ultimax, but then again the SAW capabilities of our Uktimax is not fully utilized if we only use 30 round mags and not the drums. So why not just used the SAR 21? Well the answer is simple. The M27 was designed as an automatic rifle in that it has the ability to maintain sustained continuous fire without: stoppages; overheating the barrel or receiver; or losing accuracy. The SAR 21 or any other assault rifle not designed as an automatic rifle will face stoppages with sustained continuous full auto fire, overheat and lose accuracy. The concept of an IAR (infantry automatic rifle) is a new doctrine developed by the US Marines.

Last but not least, the M27 can also be used as a designated marksman rifle. Thus an added advantage of issuing both our SAW gunners and marksman at the squad level with the same weapon.
The HK416 is a very good benchmark.
 

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When firing blanks, need to turn the gas regulator to the max huan
Yea yet it jams after couple rounds....its just poorly designed BUT for trainin i recommend because dun need clean like siao when back from outfield haha
Every dick in Army knows its such a sucky weapon that even u dun fire, its assume IA again LOL.
 

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Our soldiers are not like amdk. Already field pack need maid to carry. How to expect them to hump hmg or auto grenade launcher?

Next you'll tell me we will give an exoskeleton to everyone right? :(

Not HMG.
No tripod, ergo, LMG. Section lvl MG is typically with ammo distributed to rest of section (eg. 100rnd links per trooper).
2 man team shares the MG load + another belt of ammo (reminder - no tripod).

Contrary to popular opinion, the MG gunner/asst gunner hardly has the heaviest load in the Plt/Sect. You can make it even lower if you don't use the FN MAG and opt for a lighter 7.62 MG (around 8~9kg)
I know many medics, signalers and LAW gunners (who don't shoot their load at the very first contact) who will gladly trade places.

Also, not AGL (automatic grenade launcher)
MGL, ie. 6 shooter 40mm Multiple GL. About 5~6kg for the wpn.

I've seen many infantry man handle the loads above comfortably. Also LL no choice anyway since that is the cbt load put on various vocations in the SAF.

Beyond that, we'll have to agree to disagree if that weight is too much weight
 

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Not HMG.
No tripod, ergo, LMG. Section lvl MG is typically with ammo distributed to rest of section (eg. 100rnd links per trooper).
2 man team shares the MG load + another belt of ammo (reminder - no tripod).

Contrary to popular opinion, the MG gunner/asst gunner hardly has the heaviest load in the Plt/Sect. You can make it even lower if you don't use the FN MAG and opt for a lighter 7.62 MG (around 8~9kg)
I know many medics, signalers and LAW gunners (who don't shoot their load at the very first contact) who will gladly trade places.

Also, not AGL (automatic grenade launcher)
MGL, ie. 6 shooter 40mm Multiple GL. About 5~6kg for the wpn.

I've seen many infantry man handle the loads above comfortably. Also LL no choice anyway since that is the cbt load put on various vocations in the SAF.

Beyond that, we'll have to agree to disagree if that weight is too much weight
MG is bloody weapon to take for bashing tho.
Hangs up on every twine.
Lucky its usually fire support so not so shag.
ROFL
 

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Not HMG.
No tripod, ergo, LMG. Section lvl MG is typically with ammo distributed to rest of section (eg. 100rnd links per trooper).
2 man team shares the MG load + another belt of ammo (reminder - no tripod).

Contrary to popular opinion, the MG gunner/asst gunner hardly has the heaviest load in the Plt/Sect. You can make it even lower if you don't use the FN MAG and opt for a lighter 7.62 MG (around 8~9kg)
I know many medics, signalers and LAW gunners (who don't shoot their load at the very first contact) who will gladly trade places.

Also, not AGL (automatic grenade launcher)
MGL, ie. 6 shooter 40mm Multiple GL. About 5~6kg for the wpn.

I've seen many infantry man handle the loads above comfortably. Also LL no choice anyway since that is the cbt load put on various vocations in the SAF.

Beyond that, we'll have to agree to disagree if that weight is too much weight
My definition of hmg is a bit different from yours. It's not just about the tripod. Hmg usually is 50 calibre one. And in sinkieland that would be the browning m2 (ma deuce), mounted on our tanks. That's why I said our sinkies would sure wilt under the weight.
 

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now infrantry how many men per section ar :unsure: still 2 LAW.. 2 SAW.. 2 M203 ..1sec comd? now SAR21 has build in optics, sec comd now carry what?
6 men + 1 sect comd. Sect comd carry section stores (though sometimes split among the men) and map and compass and NVG
 

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seems like m27 ish so good that it will eventually replace all the ultimax and all the sar21... everybody spray automatic... :o
This appears to be what is happening in the USMC alr

"Commandant Gen. Robert B. Neller liked what he saw enough to not only push for the M27 to replace the SAW but also the M4, at least within rifle companies and for those working alongside them, such as combat engineers."

Basically, everybody can become a SAW if they really want to.
 

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My definition of hmg is a bit different from yours. It's not just about the tripod. Hmg usually is 50 calibre one. And in sinkieland that would be the browning m2 (ma deuce), mounted on our tanks. That's why I said our sinkies would sure wilt under the weight.

Don't move the goalpost lah.
Talking about a 7.62 LMG for section level and then you say 0.50cal HMG our section sure die. Of course sure die lah.
Likewise on your AGL reference.
 

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I "heard" that it will become 1xSAW. Don't quote me, could well be wrong on this BUT if it really is 1xSAW then, as I said earlier, could explain the giving up the product line due to lack of any export sales and domestic qty.



At the section level, it will be a LMG = no tripod = 2 men for an MG team within a section.
You could have the tripod in the combat train for con/defense, with spare barrels, etc turning it into a HMG. A plt with 3 sect and 3xGPMG can put up quite the wall of lead.

There are many armies in the world still using this model. ie. a section built around a heavy calibre, sustained fire GPMG with the rest of the section being flank/support/maneuver for the base of fire established by the GPMG. Historically, crew served weapons are more effective then personal weapons anyways.

I'm more in favour of a GPMG based inf section, especially for a conscript army like SG. I feel it's a better way to effectively concentrate and employ the talent within the GI population than to try to rely on an average spread of talent across every single infantrymen with their limited length training cycle. Goes without saying this will fundamentally change all our battledrills. For extra giggles, the current Plt MG can be replaced with a DMR+40mm MGL group. Gives the Sect/Plt much needed effective reach out to longer ranges than the current TO&E.

The flipside is of course the constraints posed by the terrain of our likely ops area.

Interesting that it might become 1 SAW. If so, seems like the doctrine could be changing. The video in this thread showing the Ukrainina fighting from their trench could speak vol of not needing a LMG but more targeted shots. What a nice period to be in the army with new weapon. Haha.
 

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My definition of hmg is a bit different from yours. It's not just about the tripod. Hmg usually is 50 calibre one. And in sinkieland that would be the browning m2 (ma deuce), mounted on our tanks. That's why I said our sinkies would sure wilt under the weight
your HMG is mounted on tank/vehicle one. This type of MG gunner i really envy for.
Those MG team with bus11 one, going gg liao. Nobody would ever bring them into Brunei terrain and cross the river under the big hot sun again~

As far as i kw, every GPMG gunner is a SAW train. Wondering if the practice still same?
 

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Got hidden meaning one....


When USA need to mobilize...

They will just fly in their troops in the first minute!

No need to draw arms logistics and inventory bs!

They can landed here to suit up with all our stuffs

That is their rapid deployment strategy.

Their slogan now is... We are ready to fight tonight!
 

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your HMG is mounted on tank/vehicle one. This type of MG gunner i really envy for.
Those MG team with bus11 one, going gg liao. Nobody would ever bring them into Brunei terrain and cross the river under the big hot sun again~

As far as i kw, every GPMG gunner is a SAW train. Wondering if the practice still same?
No such practice for GPMG to be SAW trained. It's their organic weapon so they are only GPMG and SAR21 trained. SAW is SAW.
The only person within the section who knows how to use all the SAW M203 MATADOR is sect comd.
 

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No such practice for GPMG to be SAW trained. It's their organic weapon so they are only GPMG and SAR21 trained. SAW is SAW.
The only person within the section who knows how to use all the SAW M203 MATADOR is sect comd.
SAW will learn to fire and IA drills for GPMG
if MG down, can take over
 

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No such practice for GPMG to be SAW trained. It's their organic weapon so they are only GPMG and SAR21 trained. SAW is SAW.
The only person within the section who knows how to use all the SAW M203 MATADOR is sect comd.
my organic weapon to be assign was GPMG during ns. I had to do all the technical handling test of SAW before take up the GPMG role, Seem like it depend on the individual unit.

SAW will learn to fire and IA drills for GPMG
if MG down, can take over
Yes, during cross trained. In case of whole MG team down.
 
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