Sobf May 2016

[PiPiChew]

Gxgx pipi...gonna get married soon Liao...

Heh thanks, I thought everyone here getting BTO means getting married soon too

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[captkeano1316]

First Timer Balloted Queue Number behind 2nd timer?

Hello All,

Please help enlighten this situation if possible. First timer here under MCPS.

Your application has been balloted with a queue position of 45x, which is within the supply of 469 unit(s) of flats on offer out of 475 total applicants (First and Second timers)

Application Rate for 3-room and bigger flats under Sales of Balance Flats exercise

First Timers (FTs)

FT applications

received
_______________
95% of flat supply

For Bukit Batok 5rm is 0.8 as per HDB website

It worked out to 356~ first-timers applying, based on the application rate of 0.8

469 units, 475 applicants - 0.8 First timer application rate:

FT applications received = 356.44

_________________________________ = 0.8
469 x 0.95 = 445.55(95% of flat supply)

Is it possible for a first-timer to get 45x when there is only about 356 first timer applications, with 100+ 2nd timer placed ahead of a first timer? Or did I misunderstand and got the calculations completely wrong? Please see above...TIA

 

[tesseradecades]

your queue number is not related to the number of first timer and second timer applicants at all. it is totally based on luck.

first timer priority just gives u a better chance of getting a flat, not a better chance at a good queue number.

Hello All,

Please help enlighten this situation if possible. First timer here under MCPS.

Your application has been balloted with a queue position of 45x, which is within the supply of 469 unit(s) of flats on offer out of 475 total applicants (First and Second timers)

Application Rate for 3-room and bigger flats under Sales of Balance Flats exercise

First Timers (FTs)

FT applications

received
_______________
95% of flat supply

For Bukit Batok 5rm is 0.8 as per HDB website

It worked out to 356~ first-timers applying, based on the application rate of 0.8

469 units, 475 applicants - 0.8 First timer application rate:

FT applications received = 356.44

_________________________________ = 0.8
469 x 0.95 = 445.55(95% of flat supply)

Is it possible for a first-timer to get 45x when there is only about 356 first timer applications, with 100+ 2nd timer placed ahead of a first timer? Or did I misunderstand and got the calculations completely wrong? Please see above...TIA

 

[captkeano1316]

your queue number is not related to the number of first timer and second timer applicants at all. it is totally based on luck.

first timer priority just gives u a better chance of getting a flat, not a better chance at a good queue number.

Hi, so it is possible for 2nd timers, whom are very lucky to get even queue#1 so to speak? If that's the case wow, I am surprised by the lack of real prioritization for first timer ahead of the second timers. Thanks.

 

[tesseradecades]

yes, that is correct. second timers can get queue number 1. welcome to singapore.

edit: it also sucks for second timers because their chances of getting a flat is going to be much lower than first timers. for areas where there are less than a certain number of flats available, they aren't even considered.

Hi, so it is possible for 2nd timers, whom are very lucky to get even queue#1 so to speak? If that's the case wow, I am surprised by the lack of real prioritization for first timer ahead of the second timers. Thanks.

 

[captkeano1316]

yes, that is correct. second timers can get queue number 1. welcome to singapore.

edit: it also sucks for second timers because their chances of getting a flat is going to be much lower than first timers. for areas where there are less than a certain number of flats available, they aren't even considered.

First-timer application rate refers to the number of first-timer applications divided by 95% of the total flat supply, while second-timer application rate refers to the number of second-timer applications divided by 5% of the total flat supply. (However, some flats are also set aside for quota-based priority schemes, where HDB does not differentiate between first-timers and second-timers. At least 95% of the remaining flats are then set aside for first-timers. Where the number of units is less than 20, all the flats will be set aside for allocation to first-timer families. Second-timer families may still apply for these flats. They will be shortlisted if the number of applications received from first-timer families is less than the flat supply) - taken from HDB site.

So if at least 95% is reserved for first timers, in this case it would be 469units x 0.95 ~ 445 and only about 24 (5%) for second timers...why are there potentially 100+ 2nd timers ahead of me, vying for mere 24 units available for them or is there a system once 24 2nd timer units are taken, the rest infront will be informed 2nd time quota filled? thanks!

 

[tesseradecades]

yes, i believe that is how it works. hdb cannot predict the number of dropouts accurately. that's also why they give out queue numbers larger than the flat supply.

First-timer application rate refers to the number of first-timer applications divided by 95% of the total flat supply, while second-timer application rate refers to the number of second-timer applications divided by 5% of the total flat supply. (However, some flats are also set aside for quota-based priority schemes, where HDB does not differentiate between first-timers and second-timers. At least 95% of the remaining flats are then set aside for first-timers. Where the number of units is less than 20, all the flats will be set aside for allocation to first-timer families. Second-timer families may still apply for these flats. They will be shortlisted if the number of applications received from first-timer families is less than the flat supply) - taken from HDB site.

So if at least 95% is reserved for first timers, in this case it would be 469units x 0.95 ~ 445 and only about 24 (5%) for second timers...why are there potentially 100+ 2nd timers ahead of me, vying for mere 24 units available for them or is there a system once 24 2nd timer units are taken, the rest infront will be informed 2nd time quota filled? thanks!

 

[patrick_1314]

First-timer application rate refers to the number of first-timer applications divided by 95% of the total flat supply, while second-timer application rate refers to the number of second-timer applications divided by 5% of the total flat supply. (However, some flats are also set aside for quota-based priority schemes, where HDB does not differentiate between first-timers and second-timers. At least 95% of the remaining flats are then set aside for first-timers. Where the number of units is less than 20, all the flats will be set aside for allocation to first-timer families. Second-timer families may still apply for these flats. They will be shortlisted if the number of applications received from first-timer families is less than the flat supply) - taken from HDB site.

So if at least 95% is reserved for first timers, in this case it would be 469units x 0.95 ~ 445 and only about 24 (5%) for second timers...why are there potentially 100+ 2nd timers ahead of me, vying for mere 24 units available for them or is there a system once 24 2nd timer units are taken, the rest infront will be informed 2nd time quota filled? thanks!

Don't mistake priority to get a unit with queue number. 2nd timer can be no. 1 to 24, with first timer no. 25 to 469. All within supply and will be guaranteed a flat.

 

[tesseradecades]

well to be fair, queue number does make a difference in sbf where the units closer to completion will be taken up first. young families with children should really be given the priority to choose a flat first compared to second timers with less pressing housing needs.

Don't mistake priority to get a unit with queue number. 2nd timer can be no. 1 to 24, with first timer no. 25 to 469. All within supply and will be guaranteed a flat.

 

[duckie_15]

Hope u will get ur flat soon.

Thanks. It's so sad that I have married a Daddy's boy who cant even make decisions for own family. Going to be someone else's Dad but still can say "I am afraid that my parents will be unhappy". Kaoz...

 

[tingsters]

well to be fair, queue number does make a difference in sbf where the units closer to completion will be taken up first. young families with children should really be given the priority to choose a flat first compared to second timers with less pressing housing needs.

but then is always not that way what.. all of us here knows.. lor

 

[captkeano1316]

Don't mistake priority to get a unit with queue number. 2nd timer can be no. 1 to 24, with first timer no. 25 to 469. All within supply and will be guaranteed a flat.

Problem is there isn't 444 (469-25)first timers. Only about 356 based on 0.8 application rate. Just wonder how they stop the 2nd timers ahead after 24 2nd timer units are picked.

 

[Lss]

well to be fair, queue number does make a difference in sbf where the units closer to completion will be taken up first. young families with children should really be given the priority to choose a flat first compared to second timers with less pressing housing needs.

some 2nd timers may have purchased their 1st flat with their parent or sibling and are now starting their families, other might be divorced and 2nd chance at marriage.

the current system for balance flat is ok le lar. take this round's jurong for instance, they combined both jurong east and west togther. out of 29 4rm units up for grabs a grand total of 1 unit will go to 2nd timers.

 

[Winry~]

Thanks. It's so sad that I have married a Daddy's boy who cant even make decisions for own family. Going to be someone else's Dad but still can say "I am afraid that my parents will be unhappy". Kaoz...

Sameee. Only diff is heng i haven marry but still..

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[wanker88]

I got a queue number of 17 out of 35 available 4 rms units in a mature estate area.
There are probably only 3-4 high level units, anyone have any experience, any chances to get them?

You applied Bukit Merah?

 

[PiPiChew]

Sameee. Only diff is heng i haven marry but still..

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[Wilb87]

ang mo kio

 

[jen1512]

Thanks. It's so sad that I have married a Daddy's boy who cant even make decisions for own family. Going to be someone else's Dad but still can say "I am afraid that my parents will be unhappy". Kaoz...

Maybe he just wants his parents' blessings~

 

[duckie_15]

Maybe he just wants his parents' blessings~

Haha no lor... His Dad is just control freak. They even tried to break up my BIL and his gf by introducing frds daughter to my BIL.

If he breaks up both his sons marriage, he better pray hard he lives long enough to accompany his sons till old age man.

 

[Bedobeedoo21]

Do we apply hle only when appt date is out or now? Also, they will let mature or non mature estate select first? Is it according to alphabet?

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