Solving low TFR is easy

coldish

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Ya, I cant be the only one who figured this out. They are just not willing to give singaporeans any advantage.
It is not easy when the leaders choose not to and those enlightened have no easy way to fix the leaders.
The problem is this slippery slope has began and probably at the point of no return.
Even in workplaces, if your bosses are single, or married without kids and you are a family man with kids you will probably be marginalised and discriminated.
 

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Meaning 1 income is enough to feed the entire family. Like the generations before us.
If that's the case, why wouldn't both partners work and have even more income to spare while they continue to have no kids?
 

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If that's the case, why wouldn't both partners work and have even more income to spare while they continue to have no kids?
yes that is why both have to work and earn income to survive to support our elderly and retired parents and in-laws while no kids because no money to spare
 

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If that's the case, why wouldn't both partners work and have even more income to spare while they continue to have no kids?

Why not.

The point is in order to birth 1 child, one parent needs to stay at home to tend to the child.
 

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Why not.

The point is in order to birth 1 child, one parent needs to stay at home to tend to the child.
Then why would they have one in the first place?

Just sprinkling a bit more money here and there will not move the determined ones. It is just more spare money to splash elsewhere that is not a kid or two. Afterall, there is no stipulation as to how that increase in income has to be spent.
 

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Why not.

The point is in order to birth 1 child, one parent needs to stay at home to tend to the child.
so, with their first child, one of the parents will need to stay at home to tend to the child and then their household income will drop by half?
Then why would they have one in the first place?

Just sprinkling a bit more money here and there will not move the determined ones. It is just more spare money to splash elsewhere that is not a kid or two. Afterall, there is no stipulation as to how that increase in income has to be spent.
 

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so, with their first child, one of the parents will need to stay at home to tend to the child and then their household income will drop by half?

Yes. Hence one income has to be able to provide for the entire family. Like the generations before us.

The garment calls lowering land price "raiding our reserves".

Make a guess our reserves - GIC and Temasek - ranks where in the world?

https://www.swfinstitute.org/fund-rankings/sovereign-wealth-fund
 

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Mayhaps ask them why they are popping out kids in the first place.

Meanwhile, somewhere like SG, SKor, Japan and China, all developed/developing societies have the opposite trend, even though we could very well afford it (going by the strictest barely surviving standard).

All of 'opposite trend' societies used to have babies being popped out even though most were impoverished.
 

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Mayhaps ask them why they are popping out kids in the first place.

Meanwhile, somewhere like SG, SKor, Japan and China, all developed/developing societies have the opposite trend, even though we could very well afford it (going by the strictest barely surviving standard).

All of 'opposite trend' societies used to have babies being popped out even though most were impoverished.

Because is only a natural thing that a living organism will do. Reproduction. P3 science. Something is stopping it in Sg. And other developing countries. Make a guess what is?
 

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Ai response to your comment

That comment is expressing a very common structural argument:

> fertility was historically higher when a single income could support a household with much lower financial fragility.



The implied model is:

single-income viability
→ lower household stress
→ reduced childcare coordination burden
→ easier family formation
→ higher fertility

And the commenter is linking this to:

housing affordability,

land pricing,

and state asset accumulation.



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1. Why “single-income family viability” matters psychologically

Historically, many households operated with:

one primary breadwinner,

lower housing leverage,

lower childcare outsourcing dependence,

and more time buffer within the household.


This created:

greater resilience to parenting shocks

For example:

illness,

pregnancy,

childcare disruptions,

job transitions.


In modern dual-income systems:

both incomes become structurally necessary

So:

losing one income becomes dangerous,

time scarcity intensifies,

parenting coordination complexity rises.


This is one reason many online discussions associate dual-income dependency with low fertility.


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2. But the historical comparison is incomplete

There are important differences between:

previous generations, and

modern advanced urban economies.


Earlier generations often had:

smaller homes,

lower consumption expectations,

less intensive parenting norms,

less educational competition,

and lower female workforce participation expectations.


So the equation is not just:

> “housing became expensive.”



It is:

modern family operating costs expanded across multiple dimensions

including:

education,

childcare,

lifestyle expectations,

opportunity cost,

and urban land scarcity.



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3. The reserves argument

The commenter is essentially saying:

> if the country possesses enormous sovereign wealth, why not use more of it to structurally reduce family burden?



This is a political and philosophical argument about:

intergenerational resource allocation,

fiscal conservatism,

and what reserves are “for.”


Singapore’s sovereign wealth entities:

GIC

Temasek Holdings


are indeed among the largest sovereign wealth structures globally.

The state’s counter-logic historically has been:

reserves = strategic national buffer
not recurring welfare financing pool

Meaning:

crisis resilience,

long-term fiscal stability,

currency confidence,

and future-generation protection.



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4. Why “lower land price” is controversial structurally

In Singapore’s model:

land revenue,

housing asset values,

CPF dynamics,

and fiscal structure


are interconnected.

So:

large housing repricing
→ affects household wealth perceptions
→ affects banking exposure
→ affects retirement assumptions
→ affects state revenues

This makes large structural housing resets politically and economically difficult.


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5. The deeper fertility logic behind the comment

The comment ultimately argues:

fertility declines when:
households lose operational slack

Where “slack” means:

financial margin,

time margin,

caregiving redundancy,

and resilience to shocks.


Single-income viability historically provided:

> more embedded slack inside the household system.




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6. But restoring that model is difficult

Modern economies structurally evolved toward:

dual-income households,

high urban productivity,

high labour participation,

high educational investment intensity.


So returning to:

> broad single-income middle-class viability



would require enormous shifts in:

wages,

housing structure,

consumption norms,

and economic expectations.



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7. Bottom line

The comment is not really just about land prices or reserves.

It is expressing a broader systems argument:

> modern households became too tightly optimized around dual-income survival, leaving insufficient buffer capacity for large families.



And the political disagreement underneath is:

> should national wealth be used more aggressively to restore household slack and family feasibility, even if that changes fiscal and economic assumptions?
Yes. Hence one income has to be able to provide for the entire family. Like the generations before us.

The garment calls lowering land price "raiding our reserves".

Make a guess our reserves - GIC and Temasek - ranks where in the world?

https://www.swfinstitute.org/fund-rankings/sovereign-wealth-fund
 

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imo the scholars knw hw to increase TFR... bt they dont knw hw to deliver it...

i am a firm believer tt baby bonus this kind of thing must be changed to encourage the educated/higher ses to hv kids..

if you throw money blindly... only the low ses families will take it.. end up like today.. all the ginas committing stupid crime.. this kind is grow up motherless fatherless... the parents shldnt hv kids bt they want to take $11k...

if govt come out with baby bonus 2.0 say ned education and income lvl to qualify... hv to deal with the low ses kpkb like the graduate mother scheme... hw??? all want TFR and baby bonus bt no one want to be label low ses/uneducated...
There are groups that are hard to uplift.
 

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If already fully paid give fixed amount refund?
I prefer not to… cos it’s to incentivise folks to pop out kids ASAP? So whatever you’ve already paid, sorry, it’s gone.

So theoretically, the fastest to pop out is 3 years so to optimise the couple could stretch their loan out to max (benefits younger couples) and pop out kids asap.
 

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problem is, they only want the "right" profile to have more kids, otherwise will have social problem next time
Agree and I think the well-to-do are still having kids. It’s the middle and lower income that we need to incentivise.

Assuming ~80% of Singaporeans stay in HDB, this would encompass the middle and lower income. The wealthy, I doubt there are any levers nor do they need help.
 

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Unfortunately this garmen is known to be kiam siap de, even chatgpt also disagree with this measure
Ummm sorry I don’t trust folks who outsource their thinking to ChatGPT. A ton of the weaker members of my team do this and you can tell they don’t have the intelligence to even critique AI output:ROFLMAO:
 

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I prefer not to… cos it’s to incentivise folks to pop out kids ASAP? So whatever you’ve already paid, sorry, it’s gone.

So theoretically, the fastest to pop out is 3 years so to optimise the couple could stretch their loan out to max (benefits younger couples) and pop out kids asap.

That would really antagonise those who keep trying but didn't succeed if you say fully paid too bad.
 

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That would really antagonise those who keep trying but didn't succeed if you say fully paid too bad.
Try harder? I mean if you fully pay off your loan before having 3 kids, that’s a sign you’re pretty successful too!

look on the bright side eh?
 
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