Some random facts about 三国

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In 3 kingdoms, 魏is the strongest in terms of economy and military. People over there happy coz lower taxation. 蜀on the other hand, very poor and high taxation to sustain army to fight 魏.

Zhugeliang is sacrificing his own people happiness for his 北伐大业,以一州之力,力抗九州。but after so many battles with simayi, his result is close to zero progress until the day he died.

By the way, in kingdom Shu, there are a lot of people not happy with zhugeliang and liubei, coz they are immigrant, they are 荆州帮,not 益州幫。
To 益州帮,serving liu or serving cao doesn't really make a difference. And it is sad that when 晋army arrives, 刘禅is surrounded by 益州帮. But his surrender is a good news to 蜀国,coz at least his people not suffering from war.

So in my opinion, 刘禅is not that hopeless. Coz no matter what, once the enemy army cross the mountain and go in 益州,it is definitely doomed. They can survive so long coz of the mountains and zhugeliang supreme leadership.
 

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Got time I write again.

A lot of people read novel and play game, ended up mislead by them. Actually in sanguo, 魏is super strong as compared to other 2 countries, the other 2 countries manage to survive
So long mainly due to their geological location, 吴got 长江天险,then 蜀got mountains. Without these, they alread long eliminated by 曹操。
You look at 曹操track record of military leadership, he always manage to beat opponents that are stronger. And he has no fear to fight far away from home, like fighting against马超at 西凉and travel all the way north to hunt 袁氏兄弟。

if wanna choose 三国第一人,that person confirm 曹操。
 

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Got time I write again.

A lot of people read novel and play game, ended up mislead by them. Actually in sanguo, 魏is super strong as compared to other 2 countries, the other 2 countries manage to survive
So long mainly due to their geological location, 吴got 长江天险,then 蜀got mountains. Without these, they alread long eliminated by 曹操。
You look at 曹操track record of military leadership, he always manage to beat opponents that are stronger. And he has no fear to fight far away from home, like fighting against马超at 西凉and travel all the way north to hunt 袁氏兄弟。

if wanna choose 三国第一人,that person confirm 曹操。

going up north to fight yuan shu was fluke as he was hit by cold winter and no one attacked his base. he was lucky
 

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going up north to fight yuan shu was fluke as he was hit by cold winter and no one attacked his base. he was lucky

Yeah kind of. But that time he trusted 郭嘉, which is also super strong in 奇谋.
He needs to settle his north side enemies first, 斩草要除根,Then he can focus on 刘表and 孙权. It was such a waste that 郭嘉died during the north pursue, if not he may have a chance to beat 周瑜at 赤壁.

After caocaodefeat at 赤壁,刘备
 

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After caocao was defeated, then 刘备Went into 四川,then he kind of snatch 益州from 刘璋even 刘璋trusted him. A lot of people think 刘备good guy? He actually used some tricks to get 益州.

For me, I more admire 曹操type, really hard core fighting to gain his foothold in 中原, not liu bei type sneaky sneaky snatched other people base.
 

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Yeah kind of. But that time he trusted 郭嘉, which is also super strong in 奇谋.
He needs to settle his north side enemies first, 斩草要除根,Then he can focus on 刘表and 孙权. It was such a waste that 郭嘉died during the north pursue, if not he may have a chance to beat 周瑜at 赤壁.

After caocaodefeat at 赤壁,刘备

but huge risk...is like u know u can win, but don't know whether any enemy will attack ur base from back and then u lose big time for small gain. then become another liu bei like a beggar.
 

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Tiagong cao cao purposely lose chibi one. In history he withdraw with quite good strength and he was the one who burn all his fleet in order to keep his power

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My chinese teacher also say 曹操 very strong and had a very good pair of legs. He can run a 1000 li in a single day.



















because 说曹操曹操就到. :s13::s13::s13:
 

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Tiagong cao cao purposely lose chibi one. In history he withdraw with quite good strength and he was the one who burn all his fleet in order to keep his power

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The rumor is his army suffer from diseases outbreak coz must of them are northerners, not used to southern climate. Then he just burned all his ships and retreated.

But if he won at that time, the people won't be suffering already. He quite good in managing country.
 

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but huge risk...is like u know u can win, but don't know whether any enemy will attack ur base from back and then u lose big time for small gain. then become another liu bei like a beggar.

Not the first time he did something like that, he is those willing to take risk type.
There was one time he alone go chase 董卓as well, even though 董卓has huge army that time.
 

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TS obviously reading 150s version of Sanguo. :(

The real Sanguo ish only the elites from the previous incumbent ish si pek beh song Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang. And it ish the previous incumbent that impose high tax on the poor to help the lich. :(

After Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang create freak result, the table ish turn around. Shu peasants nao pay low tax and elites have to pay higher tax. Land previously seized by elite are now taken back and redistributed for shu peasants to farm. $lavery that use to be norm under the old incumbent ish now abolished and the elite nao kpkb no more peasants willing to work for them. :( After that ish saw a huge improvement in living standard and wealth for the peasants, productivity ish all time high, and Shu was entering the golden age.

By the end of Shu, peasants kia all love Zhuge Liang dip dip and miss LIu bei golden era. Only the elite ish opposite and urge the last emperor of shu to open door for wei army to march in so that they can regain their higher mortals status. :(
 
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to be honest, 三国第一人 ish not 曹操, 孙权,诸葛亮, but the infamous 刘备,not because of his sworn brothers, but he managed to

1. Convinced 曹操 with his flawless acting skill that he wasn't a threat. 就算是曹操也被摆了一道。
2. Convinced 诸葛亮 with his flawless acting skill that he was a great lord an leader. 就算智力100也被坑。
3. Convinced 孙尚香 to help him escaped。就算是亲哥哥也反了。

And he most ultimate achievement -

4. Convinced the blardy horse 的卢 with his flawless acting skill to save him from the water. 就算是听不懂人话的畜生也被坑!
 
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The rumor is his army suffer from diseases outbreak coz must of them are northerners, not used to southern climate. Then he just burned all his ships and retreated.

But if he won at that time, the people won't be suffering already. He quite good in managing country.

If he win and clear everyone up, he will be pressured to return the actual power to the Han Emperor.

After this battle he literally drag his feet at all war front

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TS obviously reading 150s version of Sanguo. :(

The real Sanguo ish only the elites from the previous incumbent ish si pek beh song Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang. And it ish the previous incumbent that impose high tax on the poor to help the lich. :(

After Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang create freak result, the table ish turn around. Shu peasants nao pay low tax and elites have to pay higher tax. Land previously seized by elite are now taken back and redistributed for shu peasants to farm. $lavery that use to be norm under the old incumbent ish now abolished and the elite nao kpkb no more peasants willing to work for them. :(

By the end of Shu, peasants kia all love Zhuge Liang dip dip and miss LIu bei golden era. Only the elite ish opposite and urge the last emperor of shu to open door for wei army to march in so that they can regain their higher mortals status. :(
Wrong leh Liu bei they all ish FT going in. At first the country was relax but country take over by Liu bei become strict.

Towards the end of ZGL era, tax was high as fewer Labour supporting the officers and army .

This ish why Sima decided to annex them first. When he succeeded. the first thing that the sima did was to ask all FT to go back to the central plain. Leaving the sinkies... Sorry I meant the Shu people to govern the counties

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