Some random facts about 三国

[ponpokku]

ma chao. ma teng ish ma chao laopeh killed by caocao already.

 

[t0rnado]

ma chao is it? Actually in real history zhao yun ish only the personal guard of Liu Bei, not a war general like guan yu zhang fei they all.

Thanks for your correction.
Yes Ma Chao.

Yes, in real life Zhao Yun was not as highly rated by Liu Bei as compare in the novel.

 

[SG_Jimmy]

when u look at history, u cannot classify every1 as good or bad people.
U have to look at history from a political view to better understand their stand and action.

 

[sleepyhealer]

all 3 expert in 3 kingdom is here

I watched 易中天 documentary not an expert

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[t0rnado]

I watched 易中天 documentary not an expert

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Me too!
He presented an interesting and eye opening view on the history during that period.

Kind of pity his lectures don't really touch much on the later period, after Zhu GeLiang's death, on Sima Yi or the later part of Sun Quan's reign

 

[Subprimer]

wu hu jiang is only fiction from the novel, they are as real as The Avengers.

In real life they have General of the Front/Rear/Right/Left, who are Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, Huang Zhong & Ma Teng.
Only 4 of them, not 5. And Zhao Yun was never part of this elite group.

Xiaohou dun can whack all of them one shot

 

[OngHuatHuat]

but zhuge liang joined liu bei was becos of lesser talents in liu bei's organisation and thus can shine, great man can shine in SME but not in govt sector aka Cao Cao's org as too many ppl liao.

but zhuge liang, becos of his eagerness to shine, became jealous of other talented ppl, thus he kept whacking wei yan and when wei yan recco to attack Wei using a shorter but more dangerous and direct route, ZGL didn't want as he did not want wei yan to be remembered as THE guy who defeated Wei, but himself, ZGL, as THE man who defeated Wei

The Wei Yan route too dangerous.
Even he manage to pass through that small road and appeared out of sudden, he may not be able to win in time. His assumption is that the Wei general in charge is weak and he can win him easily.
Even if he won and Shu major armies manage to converge(会师） they may not be able to hold waves of reinforcements sent by Wei. It is not about the attack part that worries zhugeliang, but how to hold 魏reinforcement when they are at plain aka 平原。

 

[sleepyhealer]

Thanks for your correction.
Yes Ma Chao.

Yes, in real life Zhao Yun was not as highly rated by Liu Bei as compare in the novel.

Tiagong Zhao yun was righteous and he offended someone powerful in the Shu court. He dio bunknifed hence not as high rank. Make worse by him tell Liu bei not to go and fight Wu.

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[OngHuatHuat]

it was shu keeping wei busy, not the other way round.

shu was easy to defend and easy to go out, but not easy to get in. read ur china geography lol. sichuan/guizhou area ish highland sloping down towards jingzhou.
how come libai poem 千里江陵一日还? it is always easier to attack from high grounds. wei on the other hand had difficulty breaking shu becos it is literally uphill battle.

that is the reason that makes shu EASY TO DEFEND. but shu need a buffer zone beyond the bottleneck so that they wont be choked to death by wei. hanzhong to jingzhou area is another choke point with lots of land for food, so shu wanted to take that too, and joined forces with wu.

wei at hanzhong and part of jingzhou literally blocked the communication btw shu and wu, cos they controlled part of the yangtze river.

dun just talk from thin air. look at the map.

for harassment warfare, the attacking side always have more advantage than defensive, esp attacking from highground to lowlands. and thats the best option shu has against wei after the 1st northern campaign failed unexpectedly.

I think you misunderstood my post. Try read carefully.

What I meant by not easy to go out means attack out.
You read Chinese history, how many emperors manage to fight all the way up from 四川till unite the whole China? Most of them fight from north to south. The exception perhaps 刘邦，but at that time 刘邦got 兵仙韩信。

蜀army is better in 野战，at plain, 魏will have upper hand.

 

[t0rnado]

Tiagong Zhao yun was righteous and he offended someone powerful in the Shu court. He dio bunknifed hence not as high rank. Make worse by him tell Liu bei not to go and fight Wu.

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Ya, he was not the only one who try to persuade Lui Bei not to fight WU.
Zhuge Liang also did the same but was ignored by Lui Bei

 

[OngHuatHuat]

it was shu keeping wei busy, not the other way round.

shu was easy to defend and easy to go out, but not easy to get in. read ur china geography lol. sichuan/guizhou area ish highland sloping down towards jingzhou.
how come libai poem 千里江陵一日还? it is always easier to attack from high grounds. wei on the other hand had difficulty breaking shu becos it is literally uphill battle.

that is the reason that makes shu EASY TO DEFEND. but shu need a buffer zone beyond the bottleneck so that they wont be choked to death by wei. hanzhong to jingzhou area is another choke point with lots of land for food, so shu wanted to take that too, and joined forces with wu.

wei at hanzhong and part of jingzhou literally blocked the communication btw shu and wu, cos they controlled part of the yangtze river.

dun just talk from thin air. look at the map.

for harassment warfare, the attacking side always have more advantage than defensive, esp attacking from highground to lowlands. and thats the best option shu has against wei after the 1st northern campaign failed unexpectedly.

It was not really harassment warfare, there are so many times 诸葛亮need to retreat coz the food not enough, their supply line is too long.

And most of the times, 司马懿just ignore him totally and refuse to fight until his supply line got problem then retreat. You called that got advantage?

Zhu ge liang is wasting his own country resources by all the 北伐。

 

[junjie433]

Ya, he was not the only one who try to persuade Lui Bei not to fight WU.
Zhuge Liang also did the same but was ignored by Lui Bei

Liu Bei was blinded by hatred and fail to see the bigger picture, if only shu is lead by ZGL, there won't be so many sacrifices.

 

[OngHuatHuat]

it was shu keeping wei busy, not the other way round.

shu was easy to defend and easy to go out, but not easy to get in. read ur china geography lol. sichuan/guizhou area ish highland sloping down towards jingzhou.
how come libai poem 千里江陵一日还? it is always easier to attack from high grounds. wei on the other hand had difficulty breaking shu becos it is literally uphill battle.

that is the reason that makes shu EASY TO DEFEND. but shu need a buffer zone beyond the bottleneck so that they wont be choked to death by wei. hanzhong to jingzhou area is another choke point with lots of land for food, so shu wanted to take that too, and joined forces with wu.

wei at hanzhong and part of jingzhou literally blocked the communication btw shu and wu, cos they controlled part of the yangtze river.

dun just talk from thin air. look at the map.

for harassment warfare, the attacking side always have more advantage than defensive, esp attacking from highground to lowlands. and thats the best option shu has against wei after the 1st northern campaign failed unexpectedly.

Since when they attack jingzhou from 汉中？

You know where is 虎牢关right?

 

[OngHuatHuat]

Liu Bei was blinded by hatred and fail to see the bigger picture, if only shu is lead by ZGL, there won't be so many sacrifices.

They should just surrender to 魏to avoid all the killings and sacrifices in my opinion.

At that time, 魏already control 9 州，吴got 3 州，蜀only got ones

 

[yummie]

The Wei Yan route too dangerous.
Even he manage to pass through that small road and appeared out of sudden, he may not be able to win in time. His assumption is that the Wei general in charge is weak and he can win him easily.
Even if he won and Shu major armies manage to converge(会师） they may not be able to hold waves of reinforcements sent by Wei. It is not about the attack part that worries zhugeliang, but how to hold 魏reinforcement when they are at plain aka 平原。

But ZGL also never succeed in his traditional safe way wor

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[yummie]

Liu Bei was blinded by hatred and fail to see the bigger picture, if only shu is lead by ZGL, there won't be so many sacrifices.

No lah...let me ask u, u want to be boss of SME or be mid-level manager in MNC???

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[OngHuatHuat]

But ZGL also never succeed in his traditional safe way wor

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That's why I said he is trying mission impossible.

There are so many times, 司马懿just ignored him and don fight, then he just retreated coz not enough food.

Sad case.... His country is really too small and weak to sustain such a long term battle. Some people actually said that he should just focus on managing his country well and grow his country to full potential first.

 

[Soulhacker]

They should just surrender to 魏to avoid all the killings and sacrifices in my opinion.

At that time, 魏already control 9 州，吴got 3 州，蜀only got ones

Last time Mongolia and Jin the population so small, and they can easily beat those big big AT.

So cannot just see the size mah.

 

[OngHuatHuat]

Last time Mongolia and Jin the population so small, and they can easily beat those big big AT.

So cannot just see the size mah.

Should hold and wait till 魏becomes very corrupted and gone case then launch attack. Not keep attacking and unite enemies.

 

[ponpokku]

I think you misunderstood my post. Try read carefully.

What I meant by not easy to go out means attack out.
You read Chinese history, how many emperors manage to fight all the way up from 四川till unite the whole China? Most of them fight from north to south. The exception perhaps 刘邦，but at that time 刘邦got 兵仙韩信。

蜀army is better in 野战，at plain, 魏will have upper hand.

that is relative. they can attack out easier than wei to attack in. sichuan ish highland and chengdu ish basin among the highland. wei has no idea when shu will attack them, but shu has a good idea when wei ish attacking.

nope, no dynasty in chinese history succeeded conquest from sichuan, but that is not the point. the point is shu was stuch there at that very moment and the best thing they can do is keep on harassing wei becos the toll on wei ish bigger than theirs, esp after the first northern campaign failed.

it is not a good strategy, but it is the best strategy they can afford.