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The lesson I learned here is.

(1) STI ETF grow too slowly. We need to buy something that give us more capital return. This is my six years experience of RSP on STI ETF.

(2) RSP is a wonderful tool. I encourage everybody to consider having a RSP as part of your investment portfolio. I did not realized that I can save $40K without thinking so much. Just every month treating it like paying insurance. When I was thinking about my older kid Uni, I bought a investment related life insurance. After 20 years (ending this year) I am getting back exactly the premium I paid for. No profit. Zero ROI. I want to show my middle finger here. The only advantage was the insured sum during this period. When it was time for save for my younger one (my son) I decided instead that I would RSP. At least I know what I am buying. All this while I am in total control of my RSP. I can decide to sell or keep.

(3) What I did not share is that in 6 years I have received $4K dividend. It is not a lot but it is more than the insurance policy I bought for my older kid. Spore Stock is a dividend market. If we choose a good stock with good dividend it is not a bad situation to DCA / RSP. STI ETF is definitely not a good choice. A better choice would be to directly buy the banks. Anyway STI is dominated by banks. Might as well buy the banks directly. In the last ten years I have periodically accumulated 100 shares (at a time) of OCBC. I am a small investor. In Feb I sold off 2,400 shares at $11. My cost was $9. Including the dividends/scrip my ROI was much better than STI ETF. If I did not sell I only made a small loss today ($8 today versus my cost of $9). Much lesser than my STI ETF. Buying the bank require DIY which I sometime can forget to buy. Buying a RSP is much easier. But if you are disciplined enough you can always buy 100 shares once every 3 months. I absolutely adore the scrips that OCBC gives me. I loves scrips over cash.

Conclusion - I am not good at picking stock. I just keep to a few blue chip shares to put the bulk of my money. I am not going to kill myself when I lose 38% of my portfolio. I know it will come back eventually. When doing DCA / RSP we must understand there are ups and down. Even when it it time that my son goes to Uni and the investment is still negative. I don't have to sell all the STI ETF in one block. I only need to sell enough to pay for the school fees.

Thanks for sharing your valuable experience. U have affirmed my belief that dca and etf dont work.
 

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Yes. Killing myself won't solve any problem. The only way is to win my money back. How? I just doubled my monthly purchase of the STI ETF from previous $500 to now $1K a monthly.

It is double or nothing now. Don't hold me back. I have to win my's son U money back.

If your investment horizon is very long, don't worry it will bounce back eventually. Furthermore you are buying index and unit trust which is safer than individual stocks.

The recession is just starting, I will not double down now if I were you as low can get lower
 

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@slowdown
Lol @ the ilp u had. ILP and endowment plan r still very popular, at least before this covid19 crisis. Some of us not good at saving up so rsp really helps (even with no gain or partial loss in capital).

My 1st scrip is a disaster. $1.51 when it was $1.19. I dun tink i will ever do it again. :D

Dca is a marathon. Now is down period but it's not the end yet. Maybe u can share your etf dca experience again 4 yrs later (a decade journey), if u still rem us.
 
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Yes. Killing myself won't solve any problem. The only way is to win my money back. How? I just doubled my monthly purchase of the STI ETF from previous $500 to now $1K a monthly.

It is double or nothing now. Don't hold me back. I have to win my's son U money back.

Then don't anyhow say about killing yourself.
Many said that out loud but are too coward to execute it.
 

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Chill man, we all know that he cant be drowned with a pail in toilet.
 

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I contribute regularly to the other thread on POSB Invest Saver here in SSI / MM. You can search my ID to find that thread. Yup. My horizon is 10 years.

@slowdown
Lol @ the ilp u had. ILP and endowment plan r still very popular, at least before this covid19 crisis. Some of us not good at saving up so rsp really helps (even with no gain or even partial loss in capital).

My 1st scrip is a disaster. $1.51 when it was $1.19. I dun tink i will ever do it again. :D

Dca is a marathon. Now is down period but it's not the end yet. Maybe u can share your etf dca experience again 4 yrs later (a decade journey), if u still rem us.
 

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I have one question though, I have been looking at the performance of STI for the past few years and it has been relatively stagnant before the current dip.

Given the volatility of stocks compared to bonds, is it still worth investing in STI or should I be looking into other investment vehicles?

If so, what should I be looking at taking into account my inexperience?
 

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@slowdown.. uni fees in spore is pretty reasonable. $30k for 3 yr course or $40k for 4 yr course. Worse scenario. Use ur cpf to fund lo.

On a side note.. by the time ur kids is 20.. I believe u shd hv some savings too, given u hv work for at least 20yrs. We r talking abt 30k not 300k per kid uni fees

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I have one question though, I have been looking at the performance of STI for the past few years and it has been relatively stagnant before the current dip.

Given the volatility of stocks compared to bonds, is it still worth investing in STI or should I be looking into other investment vehicles?

If so, what should I be looking at taking into account my inexperience?

STI performance beri poor, same like euro stoxx , emerging market etf
better off buying individual strong stocks
choose the leaders in the etf
 

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Paying for 6 years in not gambling. Somemore invest in index etf. Invest in penny stock is more like gambling.

Invest but no time horizon is gambling, hoping for quick money.

U can only call something as investing if the money is spare cash that u can afford to lose and wait it out

Using ur son Uni money and afraid that u are unable to pay off the sch fees is ridiculous. The heart will race like u are at the table hoping to open in your favour

Is not hard to keep pumping money when the index does not move or in your favour. But when u feel stress about it when it goes against u..it is definitely not investing. That's pumping money blindly.

All investment requires DD. As for his case..he is just blindly pumping. If that's call investing, everything even sg pool is also call investing.

My mum buys the big sweep without fail for 30years. So she is investing? Lame
 
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Invest but no time horizon is gambling, hoping for quick money.

U can only call something as investing if the money is spare cash that u can afford to lose and wait it out

Using ur son Uni money and afraid that u are unable to pay off the sch fees is ridiculous. The heart will race like u are at the table hoping to open in your favour

Is not hard to keep pumping money when the index does not move or in your favour. But when u feel stress about it when it goes against u..it is definitely not investing. That's pumping money blindly.

All investment requires DD. As for his case..he is just blindly pumping. If that's call investing, everything even sg pool is also call investing.

My mum buys the big sweep without fail for 30years. So she is investing? Lame

Same sentiment totally.
 

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U can only call something as investing if the money is spare cash that u can afford to lose and wait it out

Nah. A retiree living off their investments certainly will not think of that as spare cash that they can afford to lose.

I agree STI-only is not the best way to DCA.
 

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Nah. A retiree living off their investments certainly will not think of that as spare cash that they can afford to lose.

I agree STI-only is not the best way to DCA.


A retiree shouldnt be dabbling in shares but change to more predictable instrument. Likewise if he is living of investments from dividend income, it must be something he has already invested a long long time ago that he doesnt even bother how the market moves but more on collection.


If he is at 70yo, and investing his spare cash in stocks now, that's just betting the market not investing
 

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A retiree shouldnt be dabbling in shares but change to more predictable instrument. Likewise if he is living of investments from dividend income, it must be something he has already invested a long long time ago that he doesnt even bother how the market moves but more on collection.

And if "a long long time ago" the person had the notion that they should only "invest spare cash they can afford to lose" there is high chance they won't get to a point where they can enjoy the fruits of their investments.

The poster you are chastising has children not yet of uni age. He has long investment horizon.

If he is at 70yo, and investing his spare cash in stocks now, that's just betting the market not investing

Like Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, Jim Rogers etc eh?
 

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And if "a long long time ago" the person had the notion that they should only "invest spare cash they can afford to lose" there is high chance they won't get to a point where they can enjoy the fruits of their investments.

The poster you are chastising has children not yet of uni age. He has long investment horizon.



Like Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, Jim Rogers etc eh?

Please see the part where he is stress about losing. Please analyse something holistically. Ur one dimension argument is simply low level

The people u are talking , I think they have more than what u your total family networth has as spare cash. Please give me something more useful. U are stretching hard

Next what's make u think those people during their young days dont have that spare cash?

You guys prefer to make it sound nice to the poster. Sure let him live in his fantasy, and believe he is investing for the future.

I shall stop here. U are stretching too hard.
 
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And if "a long long time ago" the person had the notion that they should only "invest spare cash they can afford to lose" there is high chance they won't get to a point where they can enjoy the fruits of their investments.

The poster you are chastising has children not yet of uni age. He has long investment horizon.



Like Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger, Jim Rogers etc eh?

To a point he states he needs to suicide - he is gambling, period.
 

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T2 going to close. Wait till T3 & T4 close too?

Going to but not yet mah.

Looking at the news and situation, the worse has yet to come and so many has re-entered the market.

Some even rush in with high leverage. If market really flip and short till $2 or even lower like 2009's low, don't know what will happen to those people...

Expect govt help again? :s11:
 

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I better go kill myself so that my wife can claim a little insurance money. Now cannot go Bedok reservoir then better use the pail in my home toilet and put my head in ....:(

I don't remember insurance policies that pay for suicide.
Even though Aviva has such policies, do check the t&c carefully.
 
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