(Storage) SSD Discussion Thread

[newsense]

For SSD benchmark ...which of the following will be more accurate ?

1) Crystal Disk Mark

or

2) AS SSD Benchmark

1) Crystal Disk Mark - Best score.

2) AS SSD Benchmark - Avg score.

Every test run will net you a slightly different value, so both will give you results within the same ballpark.

 

[newsense]

I wondering if it is pointless for home users to buy high end SSD?

Of cuz , the same question apply to ppl who buy the latest and greatest CPU and GPU, but lets keep it to SSD for this thread.

Is there visible difference in performance for high end SSD for corsair GT , max IOPS SSD for home users compare to first gen SSD?

I read an article saying get a cheap SSD will do, its the seek times that give fast boot up and general better responsiveness in opening applications and loading applications.

The only thing must to look out is reliability, be it SSD or HDD.

If you need a SSD, just go with the most popular recommendation, currently the Crucial M4 gives the best value in terms of performance and reliability.

Is there a visible difference between Max IOPS and M4? Only in a benchmark you will see difference.

First gen SSD? What you are looking for is the controller for each SSD. Current high end SSD are able to utilize and produce good speed on SATA3 connection. Controllers on first gen SSD were not optimized simply bcos SATA3 were not around then. Nonetheless, current high end will still be faster than 'first gen' on SATA2. eg. M4 will still be faster than early Intel or Sandforce. At current price point, there is very little incentive to buy an older generation SSD, even a used one.

 

[Citiguy]

If you need a SSD, just go with the most popular recommendation, currently the Crucial M4 gives the best value in terms of performance and reliability.

Is there a visible difference between Max IOPS and M4? Only in a benchmark you will see difference.

First gen SSD? What you are looking for is the controller for each SSD. Current high end SSD are able to utilize and produce good speed on SATA3 connection. Controllers on first gen SSD were not optimized simply bcos SATA3 were not around then. Nonetheless, current high end will still be faster than 'first gen' on SATA2. eg. M4 will still be faster than early Intel or Sandforce. At current price point, there is very little incentive to buy an older generation SSD, even a used one.

newsense, thanks for your comments.

 

[habsters]

bot a 64gb Crucial M4. after installing OS, driver, Office, what's next
I'm using a Sammy laptop on i7-2630QM
fyi im new to SSD... cant wait to try out its power

EDIT:
as for the space constraint, I will be removing my existing optical drive (DVD) and replace it with an Optibay with a 500GB HDD inside...

 

[Norman Chan]

While using the AS SSD benchmark , noticed the left corner square box there is one info always in RED ...that is "31 K - BAD" , what does this mean ?

Tested on OCZ Vertex 2 , Intel SS and Apacer S SD.

How important is the "4K" and "4K~64 Thrd" results for the Read and Write as compare to the "Seq" results ?

 

[t258jgn]

BSOD bug hits Crucial m4 SSDs

As I said in our last big SSD round-up, the inconvenient truth about solid-state storage is that it still has reliability problems. Every major SSD maker seems to have been affected by one issue or another, and the SandForce BSOD bug proved particularly stubborn through most of last year. The blue screen of death has hit again, but this time, it's Crucial's m4 SSDs that are affected. The company's forums detail numerous reports a 0x00000f4 BSOD error popping up on users' systems.

Crucial has confirmed the bug, which apparently rears its head after about 5,000 hours of disk "on time." According to Crucial, rebooting will return an affected machine to normal operation, but only briefly: "the system then requires subsequent restarts after each additional hour of use." Ugh.

Although Crucial claims to have determined the cause of the problem, a firmware update to fix it isn't due until the week of January 16. The company is adamant that users aren't at the risk of data loss due to the bug, though. I'd recommend that anyone with an m4 make a backup of the drive's contents just in case.

This news is certainly disappointing, and we'll be sure to grill Crucial when we meet with them next week at the Consumer Electronics show. I can't help but find some irony in the fact that the m4, a drive we've been recommending as an alternative to folks turned off by the SandForce BSOD bug, now has one of its own.

Source : BSOD bug hits Crucial m4 SSDs - The Tech Report

 

[Norman Chan]

So the blue screen of dump memory is very common to happen in SSD ?

 

[Norman Chan]

For Intel SSD ...which end number series to buy ? The one end with "3K5" or "3B5" ?

 

[Citiguy]

BSOD bug hits Crucial m4 SSDs

As I said in our last big SSD round-up, the inconvenient truth about solid-state storage is that it still has reliability problems. Every major SSD maker seems to have been affected by one issue or another, and the SandForce BSOD bug proved particularly stubborn through most of last year. The blue screen of death has hit again, but this time, it's Crucial's m4 SSDs that are affected. The company's forums detail numerous reports a 0x00000f4 BSOD error popping up on users' systems.

Crucial has confirmed the bug, which apparently rears its head after about 5,000 hours of disk "on time." According to Crucial, rebooting will return an affected machine to normal operation, but only briefly: "the system then requires subsequent restarts after each additional hour of use." Ugh.

Although Crucial claims to have determined the cause of the problem, a firmware update to fix it isn't due until the week of January 16. The company is adamant that users aren't at the risk of data loss due to the bug, though. I'd recommend that anyone with an m4 make a backup of the drive's contents just in case.

This news is certainly disappointing, and we'll be sure to grill Crucial when we meet with them next week at the Consumer Electronics show. I can't help but find some irony in the fact that the m4, a drive we've been recommending as an alternative to folks turned off by the SandForce BSOD bug, now has one of its own.

Source : BSOD bug hits Crucial m4 SSDs - The Tech Report

How would the SSD'd firmware be updated? Crucial will post it on their website?

TIA for replies.

 

[habsters]

BSOD bug hits Crucial m4 SSDs

As I said in our last big SSD round-up, the inconvenient truth about solid-state storage is that it still has reliability problems. Every major SSD maker seems to have been affected by one issue or another, and the SandForce BSOD bug proved particularly stubborn through most of last year. The blue screen of death has hit again, but this time, it's Crucial's m4 SSDs that are affected. The company's forums detail numerous reports a 0x00000f4 BSOD error popping up on users' systems.

Crucial has confirmed the bug, which apparently rears its head after about 5,000 hours of disk "on time." According to Crucial, rebooting will return an affected machine to normal operation, but only briefly: "the system then requires subsequent restarts after each additional hour of use." Ugh.

Although Crucial claims to have determined the cause of the problem, a firmware update to fix it isn't due until the week of January 16. The company is adamant that users aren't at the risk of data loss due to the bug, though. I'd recommend that anyone with an m4 make a backup of the drive's contents just in case.

This news is certainly disappointing, and we'll be sure to grill Crucial when we meet with them next week at the Consumer Electronics show. I can't help but find some irony in the fact that the m4, a drive we've been recommending as an alternative to folks turned off by the SandForce BSOD bug, now has one of its own.

Source : BSOD bug hits Crucial m4 SSDs - The Tech Report

u muz be kidding me... i bought their SSD less than 2 days ago for its reliability... Oh well...

 

[samtang]

How would the SSD'd firmware be updated? Crucial will post it on their website?

TIA for replies.

Crucial.com Product Downloads - Firmware Updates

all instructions in the pdf.

in summary:

- need to burn/copy their iso to CD or flash drive
- change back to ide mode
- boot from cd or flash drive

 

[Citiguy]

Crucial.com Product Downloads - Firmware Updates

all instructions in the pdf.

in summary:

- need to burn/copy their iso to CD or flash drive
- change back to ide mode
- boot from cd or flash drive

Thanks for the Crucial link, samtang. Also, thanks for your summary.


- need to burn/copy their iso to CD or flash drive. (I know how to do)
- change back to ide mode. (I don't know what to do)
- boot from cd or flash drive. (will need to change the BIOS boot sequence)

TIA for replies.

 

[incesto]

so with the new crucial bosd bug is there any good non-sandforce ssd beside m4?

 

[zer0ne]

so with the new crucial bosd bug is there any good non-sandforce ssd beside m4?

Samsung using their own and plextor is using marvel.

 

[xonix]

60/64 GB SSD Shootout: Crucial, Samsung, And SandForce : Which 64 GB SSD Is The Best?

 

[Citiguy]

60/64 GB SSD Shootout: Crucial, Samsung, And SandForce : Which 64 GB SSD Is The Best?

xonix, thanks for the link.

 

[davidwong]

u muz be kidding me... i bought their SSD less than 2 days ago for its reliability... Oh well...

see to all those who avoided OCZ and went for Crucial, do you feel like slapping yourselves in the face??!! hahah

the main thing is no matter which manufacturer, they will have their suai day, its the after sales service and the promptness in resolving the issue that is impt.

I kudos to both OCZ & Crucial in resolving this quickly.

 

[zer0ne]

see to all those who avoided OCZ and went for Crucial, do you feel like slapping yourselves in the face??!! hahah

the main thing is no matter which manufacturer, they will have their suai day, its the after sales service and the promptness in resolving the issue that is impt.

I kudos to both OCZ & Crucial in resolving this quickly.

I think you better go OCZ forum and read. Despite so many firmware revisions, they are still fighting bsod issue till now. So what is good of having so much revisions when they can't solve the issue? Maybe they can find others to babysit their product...not me.

 

[hanlsnx]

So right now the only one left with a solid track record is Intel and Samsung. Crucial ran into problem only now so late into their product lifetime heh C300 today still now issue?

OCZ they we ******* beta testing their damn products with end users KUDOS? how many revisions do you need?

I think the core point of the issue with the M4 is reported BSOD but till now i havent heard any complains on the M4 BSODing all over hardwarezone i cant say the same for the sandforce driver regardless of brands. Now i guess it become the question of the lesser of 2 evils?

 

[ASUSinside]

Hi guys just my 2 cents here.

OCZ does have many reported BSODs in their forums. This is public knowledge no one can deny it. A likely reason being they are the first to have access to the latest SandForce controllers before other brands. Likewise OCZ is also the fastest to release Firmware updates due to their priority access and close working relationship with Sandforce. I have been informed that OCZ engineers in fact share firmware tweaks and advice to the Sandforce team. I know this since I am a OCZ partner but there is no public information to prove this.

Till date almost all SSD manufacturers have faced their own issues (Intel, Crucial, OCZ, Samsung too in their early days when OCZ had used their controller in the Summit series). No one can declare which brand is 100% trouble free. Consumer SSD technology is only about 5 years old vs HDD which has been around since 1960 (consumer HDD only became affordable in late 1980s Hard disk drive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Understandably HDD is going to be more trouble-free with so much time for the technology to mature.

Hope this proves insightful to all who understand or are new to SSDs. Ultimately its your choice of brand. Information is widely available online its just how you draw your own conclusions