Surge Protector

[halocast]

how to turn off the belkin? i dun see any switches..

if my equipment are connected to it.. meaning its on forever? unless i turn off the main plug one.

 

[gallagher]

how to turn off the belkin? i dun see any switches..

if my equipment are connected to it.. meaning its on forever? unless i turn off the main plug one.

ya i also feel that way

no individual on-off switch for my APC

unless i manually pull them off the APC multi-socket

 

[Coolman]

Rocker switch tend to have arcing characteristic which may eventually burnt and carbonize, if u notice some office now using rotatory switch at the main.

 

[ahwei91]

One more thing.
Some surge protectors have a line-conditioning system for filtering out "line noise," smaller fluctuations in electrical current. Basic surge protectors with line-conditioning use a fairly simple system. On its way to the power strip outlet, the hot wire passes through a toroidal choke coil. The choke is a just ring of magnetic material, wrapped with wire -- a basic electromagnet. The ups and downs of the passing current in the hot wire charge the electromagnet, causing it to emit electromagnetic forces that smooth out the small increases and decreases in current. This "conditioned" current is more stable, and so easier on your computer (or other electronic device).

That's why I never experience humming sound from my PC power supply and my hifi power amp.

Please recommend something which can filter out line noise ..... I think my PC in my room can pick up some line noise when pple on/off lights in living room.....Thks

 

[liquidaix]

Please recommend something which can filter out line noise ..... I think my PC in my room can pick up some line noise when pple on/off lights in living room.....Thks

Hi, i got the same issue as above. My whole PC/cable-modem stuff is located in one corner of one of the rooms(modest 4rm HDB). Whenever someone turns on/off the switch(eg TV, Fan) in any other rooms, my LED monitor will turn black screen for a quick(1-2 seconds). It happens everytime too whenever i power on/off a small floor fan in the exact same room my PC is housed. Is this called electrical noise/power surge?

i just upgraded to new comp so may be keen on getting a surge protector.
Currently i am using those Taiyo multiplug type found in heartland malls.

What i want to know is whether by replacing my power strips with a reputable Brand(Belkin) surge protector will it reduce/eliminate the quick(1-2 black screen)noise effect?

 

[triobrothers]

Oh goodness.

I thought I was the only one overly fanatic about surge protection.

Frankly speaking, I learnt things when the unexpected things do happened.

Recently, after reading some scary incidents where an area hit with storms, people saying the main circuit breakers do kick in, but upon powering back the main power on, a few appliances literally blows off or refused to power back on, I tried getting basic extensions plugs with surge protection.

Reason being, I just realized people nowadays, we hardly live with this mindset to 'turn off appliances when not in use'. Seriously, we are always rushing for stuffs, I was tired of scolding my other family members who sometimes leaves home without turning off the fan, turning off their laptops or charges, you named it, and worst was the storm was arriving.

Got myself a few Belkin sets. So far so good, thought of upgrading but reading through some forums and reliable sources information about surge protectors, got me spinning into either 'wanting to have more protection' or 'getting screwed by marketing bulls'.

I bought mine online though, not as cheap as during IT sales, but definitely cheaper than normally priced at stores.

I bought it from VideoPro, though if you spent a certain amount, surprisingly they offer free delivery and same day order if made before noon.

They have a few available models from APC and Belkin, but if you were to ask me, Im avoiding APC brand as people are blasting APC and Monster brands like crazy from all over the world.

Spend wisely: Video-Pro.Com Pte Ltd.

I currently have bought these two models (1. Video-Pro.Com Pte Ltd and 2. Video-Pro.Com Pte Ltd) but thinking of upgrading to either to this >> Video-Pro.Com Pte Ltd or this >> Video-Pro.Com Pte Ltd . Anyone care to share some reviews or advices?

Thanks.

 

[westom]

Reason being, I just realized people nowadays, we hardly live with this mindset to 'turn off appliances when not in use'.

An open switch will somehow stop a surge? That explains recommending an APC that does not even claim protection from a typically destructive surge.

So the millimeters gap in a power switch will stop what three miles of sky could not? APC does claim to protect from a transient that cannot cross a millimeters gap. It does not claim to protect from surges that find earth ground destructively via appliances. Which one do you need to protect from?

For over 100 years, surge protection has always been about where hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate. And about the electric current path used to connect there. A surge either harmlessly dissipates in earth when connected BEFORE entering the building. Once inside, that current hunts for earth destructively via appliances. Once inside, nothing stops or blocks that current. Especially not a millimeters gap in a switch.

A solution, proven by over 100 years of experience and well proven science, is provided by more responsible companies including ABB, Siemens, and Novaris to name but a few. In every case, a protector has a dedicated wire for the all so critical low impedance (ie 'less than 3 meter') connection to single point earth ground.

Again, where do hundreds of thousands of joules dissiapte? That question defines effective solutions. What path is used by 20,000 amps to earth? Either harmlessly outside. Or across an open switch, destructively through that appliance, and then to earth.

Routinely use appliance during every thunderstorm. Due to protection already inside appliances, a potentially destructive surge typically occurs maybe once every seven years. Effective proteciton means to rare and potentially destructive surge current need not find earth destructively inside and via appliances. Explains why a telco provides phone service, without damage, during every storm. And why telcos does not depend on millimeters gaps to stop a surge.

 

[koroshiya8]

just bought this today..

i now have a normal APC 5 plug and extended into the one above...

 

[triobrothers]

i now have a normal APC 5 plug and extended into the one above...

Did you just say you 'daisy-chained' the two surge protected extensions together? If I am not wrong, it causes some magnetic problems that can result in fire, or even worst, no protection at all.

Though common sensically in a surge scenario, we thought that the first surge protector will take most hit where only excess will go to the 2nd set and it tries to filter as much as it can, some test proves when a surge energy of just 200J was pushed through it, both protectors caught fire and minimal protection was provided, resulting their test TVs, light bulbs and radio set to fry instantly.

 

[triobrothers]

BTW guys, anyone tried a new brand in the market?
I meant, never heard of it.

I've contacted the seller, he mentioned that the 5-way gang offers over 1000J and 19000+A of surge protection.

For the price, I could have bought 2 instead of 1 Belkin.

Link: JHE: Portable Extension Socket (British Standard, Singapore Approved) | eBay

 

[saha-med]

so having a surge protector saves ur equipment from a power surge but increases the rate of fire accidents?
i got lost in all the electrical talk.

Basically i have my pc plugged in on sleep 24/7, would a surge protector be neccessary for hdb buildings?

 

[westom]

so having a surge protector saves ur equipment from a power surge but increases the rate of fire accidents?

Two completely different devices are call surge protectors. One pictured a few posts earlier only claims to protect from surges that typically do no damage. It should be protected by something completely different and also called a surge protector.

If any protector does not have a separate and dedicated wire for the 'always required' connection to earth ground, then it does not claim to protect from typically destructive surges. And would need protection provided by that other type protector - often called a 'whole house' protector.

Either hundreds of thousands of joules dissipate harmlessly in earth (and do not enter the building). Or that energy goes hunting, inside and destructively, for earth via appliances. Only you make that choice. Only protector that claims to protect from that type of surge is the 'whole house' protector. One with a wire that makes the 'all so important' low impedance (ie 'less than 3 meter') connection to earth.

Protection is always about where enegy dissipates. A concept often so new (and because it contradict popular advertising) that this post may require two or three rereads to grasp.

 

[gladiusgg]

BTW guys, anyone tried a new brand in the market?
I meant, never heard of it.

I've contacted the seller, he mentioned that the 5-way gang offers over 1000J and 19000+A of surge protection.

For the price, I could have bought 2 instead of 1 Belkin.

Link: JHE: Portable Extension Socket (British Standard, Singapore Approved) | eBay

i bought 2 of these 5 way extensions from ntuc. really cheap. so far so good though.

 

[triobrothers]

i bought 2 of these 5 way extensions from ntuc. really cheap. so far so good though.

Serious? JHE brands?

OK then. I thought of making sure all main switches get connected to at least a surge protected multi plugs?

I have been realizing my lights, yes all lights, fluorescent and LEDs, loved to flicker a lot. And my TV, only after plugging into a Belkin, stops giving me those white noise splashes on the screen.

I even noticed a few times, all fans at home literally looses power, means their motors suddenly powered down like for a second or two before resuming operations.

Something is seriously not right with the power supply, right?

 

[triobrothers]

Basically i have my pc plugged in on sleep 24/7, would a surge protector be neccessary for hdb buildings?

Anything that's switched on 24/7 best be plugged into a surge protected outlet/multi gangs.

It's better to be safe then sorry.

No offense, I had an LG home theatre burned during a power down. Strange, when someone flicks the main power on again, only this LG product didnt power on. Burning smell was detected, and yes, its power supply burnt out.

But pls do note, a surge protector is not going to 100% protect all equipments plugged to it. If the surge or spikes is too large, some equipments will still fail. Just pray its the replacement fuse that goes out, not the motherboard.

 

[Leftie]

Anyone has idea where to get those 5/6 socket gangway but comes with 4 or 5m extension. I usually see 3m long wire only.

Would be good it it comes with surge protector as well. Thanks for recommendation.

Alittle confused. always thought a fuse the same as a surge protector?? It blows/cuts off if electrical current coming in is above its resistance.

 

[Jarvis-]

i bought 2 of these 5 way extensions from ntuc. really cheap. so far so good though.

how much did you pay?
cheaper than ebay pricing?

 

[coyote]

sim lim tower.

Anyone has idea where to get those 5/6 socket gangway but comes with 4 or 5m extension. I usually see 3m long wire only.

Would be good it it comes with surge protector as well. Thanks for recommendation.

Alittle confused. always thought a fuse the same as a surge protector?? It blows/cuts off if electrical current coming in is above its resistance.

 

[Jarvis-]

more and more disinclined to buy a belkin surge protector power strip........


Belkin : Economy Series 6-Socket Surge Protector

Tough, impact resistant ABS plastic housing, prevents scratches, dents, and rust.
3 Metre, heavy duty power cable.
Lighted power switch, also includes circuit breaker.
Lifetime Warranty
Connected Equipment Warranty Max. Damage Coverage S$ 500

only the part in bold is relevant......there isn't any lighted power switch the in particular model anyway

 

[westom]

only the part in bold is relevant......

Read the fine print on that warranty. So full of exemption as to not be honored. Or learn from so many others who learned the hard way.

tamaradensh learned on 12 Jul 2008:

I had it plugged into a Belkin Surge Protector. They have a connected equipment guarentee. I put in the claim and was told that it only covered equipment for power surges as the products wasn't designed to protect from other power malfunctions.

Or Newsman on 10 Sept 2002 described his frustration with getting the warranty honored:

Yet my Tivo's modem still failed. And the '$20,000 connected devices warranty' did not help me. ... Eventually it boiled down to a line in the warranty that said "Belkin at it's sole discretion can reject any claim for any reason".

That product does not even claim to protect from typically destructive surges. Why then would they honor a highly touted warranty chock full of exemption?

It is a profit center. To protect from a type of surge that typically does not cause damage. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That dedicated and short earth ground wire separates effective solutions from profit centers. Better protectors also have no warranty. Big cash warranties often identify inferior products.