Swimming anyone???

[mrhello]

for breaststroke, i generally breathe every stroke but with a lower stroke rate and longer glide than most casual swimmers

you can experiment with breathing every other stroke, but you should reduce the effort to avoid running out of breath. so you'll probably need more strokes to complete a length.

on the non-breathing stroke, aim to have more of your body under the surface of the water to be more streamlined....

btw, don't assume the people in those instruction videos normally swim like that all the time - the videos could well been edited to show only the best examples

What is the minimum stroke count you use to cover 25m in breast stroke? I try and try just can't glide. I don't care about speed, just want to glide with as few strokes as possible. I suspect main culprit is my hips keep dropping down. Keeping the legs up is like an art, so difficult. Not to mention people can raise their upper body so high when pulling it's ridiculous.

 

[bodymasterboy]

I would love to be able to swim so effortless that it has no cardio benefits, but every time always breathe harder than running .

Freestyle need to improve, breast stroke even worse, can't glide at all.

build a high level of strength and endurance, then a relaxed swim will look effortless

to glide well in breaststroke, try the wave style of breaststroke

you can try to plunge your head underwater instead of just lowering it - when the arms and torso dip under, the hips and legs rise

 

[bodymasterboy]

What is the minimum stroke count you use to cover 25m in breast stroke? I try and try just can't glide. I don't care about speed, just want to glide with as few strokes as possible. I suspect main culprit is my hips keep dropping down. Keeping the legs up is like an art, so difficult. Not to mention people can raise their upper body so high when pulling it's ridiculous.

with a push-off and glide, probably 8 strokes? each pull and kick needs to finish in a good streamline to achieve a low count

in racing, raising the body high above the water is due to a strong pull..... but when swimming relatively relaxed it's not good to do so because you'll cause the hips and legs to sink.

 

[osirisx]

It's there a technique to those competitive breaststroke? on YouTube it was mentioned that you shouldn't glide and basically sprint the entire lap.

Also for butterfly I found that towards the end of the lap I tend to slow down and as a result can't lift myself up as much as I wanted.

Tips anyone?

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[mrhello]

you can try to plunge your head underwater instead of just lowering it - when the arms and torso dip under, the hips and legs rise

This make sense and I am sold on this theory. The only thing is how to make the execution meet the theory. I thought I tried go deep before, seems to fail, so I thought it is because I am not raising upper body high enough during the pull to plunge deep. Then I realise I also cannot raise upper body high! I will try again.

with a push-off and glide, probably 8 strokes? each pull and kick needs to finish in a good streamline to achieve a low count

in racing, raising the body high above the water is due to a strong pull..... but when swimming relatively relaxed it's not good to do so because you'll cause the hips and legs to sink.

8 is very good man. I am closer to 18-20!

I have seen in youtube video the guy pull upper body really high then subsequently go really deep into the water to become very streamline, legs come out again. So I thought raising body high is needed to go deep. So it's not necessary?

 

[bodymasterboy]

It's there a technique to those competitive breaststroke? on YouTube it was mentioned that you shouldn't glide and basically sprint the entire lap.

in competitive style, the hands/forearms recover partly above water to reduce resistance and time taken to get the arms back into streamline. but beware of overlapping the pull and kick too much as it will cause a lot of drag

Also for butterfly I found that towards the end of the lap I tend to slow down and as a result can't lift myself up as much as I wanted.

you're already better than me here, i'm still at the kicking and sculling phase

 

[bodymasterboy]

This make sense and I am sold on this theory. The only thing is how to make the execution meet the theory. I thought I tried go deep before, seems to fail, so I thought it is because I am not raising upper body high enough during the pull to plunge deep. Then I realise I also cannot raise upper body high! I will try again.

after your breath, plunge your head downward so that you are looking directly below. at the same time, push your hands forcefully into streamlined position. this generates momentum that pushes your head and shoulders underwater

I have seen in youtube video the guy pull upper body really high then subsequently go really deep into the water to become very streamline, legs come out again. So I thought raising body high is needed to go deep. So it's not necessary?

it's not necessary to go so deep, what's more important is to get the whole body as horizontal as possible. when in streamlined position, experiment with tucking your head low so that you look directly down, or even slightly backwards. it might help.

 

[Xunister]

How do we improve on the oxygen efficiency? I've just started learning freestyle last year but every training I feel that my lactic acid build up pretty fast.

 

[bodymasterboy]

How do we improve on the oxygen efficiency? I've just started learning freestyle last year but every training I feel that my lactic acid build up pretty fast.

you could do gym work to strengthen the lats and shoulders...

what about your technique - do you constantly struggle to breathe? if you're always raising your head, your body position will be inefficient. if that's the case, you may need to go back to doing drills to roll and breathe without lifting your head out of the water.

 

[Xunister]

you could do gym work to strengthen the lats and shoulders...

what about your technique - do you constantly struggle to breathe? if you're always raising your head, your body position will be inefficient. if that's the case, you may need to go back to doing drills to roll and breathe without lifting your head out of the water.

I always try to have one part of the goggles in the water when i turn my head and breathe. Sidekicks definitely help right?

 

[bodymasterboy]

I always try to have one part of the goggles in the water when i turn my head and breathe. Sidekicks definitely help right?

yes, ideally you would have the lower eye cup still under water... but if there are a lot of waves, you might need to turn more and look slightly backwards.

side kicking drills should help in getting used to rolling and turning the head. you can also alternate sides after every few breaths.

 

[shadowrains]

Looking for polarized goggles. Anyone can recommend?

 

[bodymasterboy]

Looking for polarized goggles. Anyone can recommend?

any specific purpose in mind? the options are very limited though... i only recall seeing swans seven polarized goggles locally (isetan) but i've also seen TYR special ops 2.0 in the pool.

both are meant for open water (triathlon) and have fixed nose bridges - so they are probably too wide for me.... i use goggles with adjustable bridge widths at the narrowest settings.

for online retailers, can take a look at zoggs predator flex polarized and speedo speedsocket polarized - apparently it's the model used by michael phelps

it's best to try goggles on personally before deciding.

 

[bodymasterboy]

here's a useful link on how to choose swimming goggles

https://loneswimmer.com/2015/02/04/...ween-the-different-types-of-swimming-googles/

 

[tomb]

 

[shadowrains]

any specific purpose in mind? the options are very limited though... i only recall seeing swans seven polarized goggles locally (isetan) but i've also seen TYR special ops 2.0 in the pool.

both are meant for open water (triathlon) and have fixed nose bridges - so they are probably too wide for me.... i use goggles with adjustable bridge widths at the narrowest settings.

for online retailers, can take a look at zoggs predator flex polarized and speedo speedsocket polarized - apparently it's the model used by michael phelps

it's best to try goggles on personally before deciding.

Main purpose is to protect the eyes. I find polarized lens protect the eyes from the sun's glare better than mirrored lens.

Speedo speedsocket seems to be the best but the price is pretty high. I had some problem with my current speedo goggles, hence I'm a little hesitant in getting the speedsocket.

I think i will look at swans or tyr, should be more affordable. Can we try the goggles at the shop before buying? I usually just buy them.

 

[bodymasterboy]

“we came here to swim, not to sing.”
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.c...the-east-germans-and-the-1976-montreal-games/

 

[bodymasterboy]

Main purpose is to protect the eyes. I find polarized lens protect the eyes from the sun's glare better than mirrored lens.

Speedo speedsocket seems to be the best but the price is pretty high. I had some problem with my current speedo goggles, hence I'm a little hesitant in getting the speedsocket.

I think i will look at swans or tyr, should be more affordable. Can we try the goggles at the shop before buying? I usually just buy them.

well.... i just found out that arena also has a polarized model:
http://www.lazada.sg/arena-agl9600-polarized-goggle-clear-679692.html

so i headed down to the arena shop and bought a pair to try, since it has an adjustable nose piece unlike the swans seven

they gave 10% discount off the list price... and they allow customers to try the goggles too

 

[shadowrains]

well.... i just found out that arena also has a polarized model:
http://www.lazada.sg/arena-agl9600-polarized-goggle-clear-679692.html

so i headed down to the arena shop and bought a pair to try, since it has an adjustable nose piece unlike the swans seven

they gave 10% discount off the list price... and they allow customers to try the goggles too

I saw the arena polarized goggles too at arena store. I don't think it's good because the polarized area is only at the front of the lens. Store price is about $60++ near $70 before discount if I remember correctly.

10% off is not too attractive. I bought my speedo goggles at 20% off. If spending $70 before DC, I rather get speedo polarized speedsocket.

 

[bodymasterboy]

the price was $55, so $49.50 after 10% off... and yes, the polarized layer is at the front of the lens. next thing is to use it on a sunny day and see how well it works

the swans seven is $59.