The Shirting Thread (with PEEKTURES)

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Vijay, all tailors SHOULD be able to do a flat felled seam on a shirt -- it's very basic. Just ask any tailor and they'll do it. That's done using a single needle.

That seam style you like (NOT flat-felled) is created using two needles in a chain stitch. The two rows are stitched simultaneously as opposed to the single needle stitch where they have to do two rows separately.

yup the one on the right. thanks jonleelk.
 
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In the fourth picture below, you'll see it's done using a single needle.

Proudly made in Singapore. What do you think?

Hand-sewn sleeves and shoulders



Hand-sewn collar




SINGLE-needle seams (like I said, all good tailors I know do this)



Handsewn buttonholes




Even hem of the shirt is hand-rolled!


 

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Vijay, all tailors SHOULD be able to do that flat felled seam on a shirt -- it's very basic. Just ask any tailor and they'll do it.

That seam style you like is created using two needles in a chain stitch. The two rows are stitched simultaneously as opposed to the single needle stitch where they have to do two rows separately)

I understand. The one jonleelk shows has two rows of stitches regardless of the side facing in or out. Whereas for those felled seams I have, it's all single stitch on one side.
 

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I understand. The one jonleelk shows has two rows of stitches regardless of the side facing in or out. Whereas for those felled seams I have, it's all single stitch on one side.

Out of curiosity, why do you prefer that again? I haven't had/encountered any problems on my Singapore stuff sewn using a single needle. I'll share photos some time after I take pictures of my SG stuff.

Edit: You're right that CYC does the double too. I just checked mine.
 
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Out of curiosity, why do you prefer that again? I haven't had/encountered any problems on my Singapore stuff sewn using a single needle. I'll share photos some time after I take pictures of my SG stuff.

Edit: You're right that CYC does the double too. I just checked mine.

Boy ah! Flat fell seams is not the machine sew 2 row at a time lah!!!

It is done painstakingly buy stitching one line, iron the edges, fold in, iron the edges, then sew flat inside. Very troublesome one.

You are right about any seamstress knows this technique, just that need to pay more for the service. Whether is CMT or alterations.
 

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I know. You're right, I think I wasn't clear because I quoted him. I was replying to him. lol. Edited my comment for clarity.

I DO think flat felled seams are actually very basic and should be done without additional cost incurred. When I spoke to my tailor, he said it's not more difficult, just slightly more time-consuming. Other handiwork, it's justifiable charging more.

You wanna post pictures of both? So the good folks here can distinguish between the different seam types.

This is flat-felled single-needle:



Boy ah! Flat fell seams is not the machine sew 2 row at a time lah!!!

It is done painstakingly buy stitching one line, iron the edges, fold in, iron the edges, then sew flat inside. Very troublesome one.

You are right about any seamstress knows this technique, just that need to pay more for the service. Whether is CMT or alterations.
 
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Sorry what's CMT?

Custom made tailored?

Am heading to Bangkok next week, any tailors to recommend? My friend is bringing me to Paul's Fashion but I'm not so keen on machine sewn stuff even if they are cheap (Less than 1k baht).

CMT denotes a service whereby you provide your own fabrics, and the tailor literally 'cuts, makes, and trims' your fabric.

One guy you might want to check out (In Thailand) -- the guy who did the handsewn buttonholes yada yada is from Welcome to Narin Couture

He trained at the academy where Yves Saint Laurent and other tailoring-turned-designer greats hailed from.

He came as a recommendation from a friend who used him, however, I have not actually used him. Ask him specifically for his hand-sewn version. It should be in the region of 70-100 CMT.

This is specific to shirts, not suits whom my friend didn't try.

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I'm seriously contemplating visiting Lai En after Nayr has had time to post up pictures of his shirt. Quite interested in finding out their capabilities. I guess the plus side is that I already have a couple well-fitting shirts, so I can always ask them to copy it. Easily done for shirts.
 

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Think it'll be easier for fellow SGPoreans to go through the thread on shirts, and learn about what makes a good shirt, and why.

Maybe if I have time, I'll write a post on how to tell if your shirt fits you well, and what to look out for (from a consumer's perspective). Always good to be an informed customer.

For this post, I'lll share about one of my adventures in Naples, a land renown for their handwork and shirt-making skills, and notorious for their dropped deadlines.

Thick MOP (literally), and there are many grades of MOP unfortunately, and not all are created equal. There are cheap China ones, there's Trocas, and then there's MOP. The Italians use Australian grade MOP. The creme de la creme.

i cannot get this kind of elaborate tailoring experience in singapore?
must i travel to the naples, because i am not that rich but i would like a good tailoring experience.

how much more did you spend on your whole adventure?
 

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i cannot get this kind of elaborate tailoring experience in singapore?
must i travel to the naples, because i am not that rich but i would like a good tailoring experience.

how much more did you spend on your whole adventure?

Ello! If you read the posts immediately below, you'll see that you CAN have an elaborate tailoring adventure in countries as near as Bangkok for less than some shirt-makers locally. Ill update with a post on local tailors who can do such stuff. One doesn't want to be named. I know a couple others.

I must stress that bespeaking a shirt is primarily to get a well-fitting shirt. All the additional handwork are but icing on the cake. A deal-sweetener so to speak.

Anyway, this thread isn't just about expensive shirts. It's about sharing the joys of shirt-making and all things shirt-related. If I try Lai-en, ill update here.
 

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I'm seriously contemplating visiting Lai En after Nayr has had time to post up pictures of his shirt. Quite interested in finding out their capabilities. I guess the plus side is that I already have a couple well-fitting shirts, so I can always ask them to copy it. Easily done for shirts.

Sorry for the poor photographs. Was rushing to school.





Please give comments on the fit as well.
 

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I understand. The one jonleelk shows has two rows of stitches regardless of the side facing in or out. Whereas for those felled seams I have, it's all single stitch on one side.

The double needle is being used here, in this video. I think it illustrates what words cannot. In the video, you can see how long it takes -- literally within seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uYRf46-hu4

I think a shirt with handwork will be more prone to irregularities, but, personally (notwithstanding actual problems and glaring mistakes that are disguised as the charms of handwork), I think one should embrace the irregularities of the handwork because they carry the idiosyncrasies of the sewer. It's unique. On the pictures of the shirts I have put up, the attainment of such sewing finesse is to be lauded. It's always easy to peer carefully, and see that one out of the hundred stitches is out of line, but when one asks for handwork, one is really showing how one appreciates the time, and craft of the artisan.
 

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One guy you might want to check out (In Thailand) -- the guy who did the handsewn buttonholes yada yada is from Welcome to Narin Couture

He trained at the academy where Yves Saint Laurent and other tailoring-turned-designer greats hailed from.

He came as a recommendation from a friend who used him, however, I have not actually used him. Ask him specifically for his hand-sewn version. It should be in the region of 70-100 CMT.

This is specific to shirts, not suits whom my friend didn't try.

Alright, will be trying him out then. Hope he can turn them around in 4 days. ^_^
 

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Anyone has done pants with a single plead? Wanna know exactly what do I tell the tailor?

And to add cuff to the pants?

Just tell the tailor you want trousers with a single pleat, then decided which way you want them, towards the back like in the picture provided, or towards the front. They should be able to do that.

Yes, tell them cuffs, and decide how thick. 1 3/4 inches and less if you're short, and 2 inches if you're tall.

James Bond has his trousers made with forward pleats:

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Sorry for the poor photographs. Was rushing to school.





Please give comments on the fit as well.

Honestly, for that small sum, I think it fits fine. Shirt shoulders lay over your shoulders okay. Not perfect, but fine.

Not sure why there's some torquing going on about the sleeves. Is it because you specified high armholes? Is it cutting into your armpits?

I'd have opted to some things differently:

1) Plain front (no placket)
2) No pocket
3) Tighter cuffs. You can see it's not 'gripping' your wrist
4) The sleeves can be longer, it should be the cuffs that are small enough such that they prevent the sleeve from covering your whole fist.
5) The sleeve should be long enough such that when you bend your hand, the sleeves will not ride up your arm. Chances that on this shirt, it does. Does that happen?

Would be interested in others' opinions.
 
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Apart from the single-needle stitch (and fit), there are other hallmarks of a well-made shirt.

Here are some:

A split-yoke with pattern well-matched


There are varying reasons put out to explain why a split-yoke is superior to one that isn't split. The first reason goes something like the shirt-maker will take into account the fact that one's shoulders are not level and thus split to yoke to make each side of the split yoke different in order to account for one's shoulder asymmetry. Second reason is that by splitting the yoke, you're allowing for more stretch in the yoke, and therefore gives you marginally more ability to, well, stretch. Whatever the reason and its veracity, the split-yoke is often regarded as a hallmark of a well-made shirt. Expensive bespoke shirts usually come with a split yoke.

When patterns are matched, it also signifies that more effort went into making the shirt. You'll see that even though my yoke has been split, the lines are matched and still meet at a point.



The Mother-of-pearl button and the crow's foot stitch.


Like with a Mercedes where you don't just expect a sleek silhouette, but also expect the interior to be top-grade, on a shirt, the trimmings are what shirt connoisseurs looks out for -- the Mother-of-pearl buttons being one of them. Whilst one won't mistake a Mercedes for being an Aston Martin just because of an uber-luxurious interior, it does, however, set one Mercedes apart from another. Well, at least to the lady you're sitting with in the back seat. Same with shirts.

The hand-shanked buttons are another detail that helps nudge the shirt into the realm of luxury. On most RTW and even on many bespoke shirts, you'll probably see that the button is sewn nearly flat on the fabric. This can make it relatively harder to button when compared to the hand-shanked button where the button is suspended a couple MM from the fabric via a shank. Easier to grip.

Ahh ... the 'purist' detail. If you peer at how your button has been stitched on the shirt (where the four holes on the button are), chances are that the thread is in a criss-cross shape. Easy, and fuss-free. Shirt purists look for the crow's foot stitch (it's so called because it resembles the foot of a crow) as shown on my shirt below, or for the stitch on the button to run parallel, like this =

Yes, luxury is subtle.



The Gusset

Gussets have traditionally been sewn on the hems to help reinforce against wear and tear at this point. It does take slightly more time to make. It is, after all, one additional step, though every good shirt-maker should do this without any up-charge. Typically a feature of bespoke shirts, but if you waltz into a shop selling branded merchandise, chances are that you'll see the gusset on the shirt.



Finally, for those interested in the construction of my shirt with a one-piece collar ...

 
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