The Spectacles Thread. - Part 2

[oldbreadstinks]

I mean in general are zeiss labs better as they are more professional staff and has better newer machines for better accuracies & precision & QC am i right?

Part in bold yes

No comments on the rest since I don't and have never worked for them
But they bothered to show up on time and never gave me weird excuses when things screw up so it's a good working relationship
Things always screw up. No matter which lab you use.
Sometimes riders even crash their bikes with your glasses on board.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Thank u good bro. Which outlet is better? Do u know whether the one at chinatown do they cut lenses at their own shop or do they send to the labs mostly?

Tiagong... 20 years ago the old boss was one of the best lens edgers in Singapore.
He could edge curved lenses with bare hands and do lenses on all sorts of frames labs these days cannot do
How true this Tiagong ish.... Moi donch noes..

But they like having at least 1 relative in each place
And they have or had the last time I heard, A busy edging room at Chinatown

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Tiagong... 20 years ago the old boss was one of the best lens edgers in Singapore.
He could edge curved lenses with bare hands and do lenses on all sorts of frames labs these days cannot do
How true this Tiagong ish.... Moi donch noes..

But they like having at least 1 relative in each place
And they have or had the last time I heard, A busy edging room at Chinatown

Tiagong also because sinkie no rikes to work in Optical trade pruss old guys no rikes to teach skills
Nowadays.. A lot of stuff that used to be possible not notch possible anymore

I sent a lot of stuff up over the last decade and noticed while it used to be possible to do a lot of stuff. The same things would be met with a "cannot be done "
Most custom jobs that require hands on skills are rejected these days

 

[Seannie]

Part in bold yes

No comments on the rest since I don't and have never worked for them
But they bothered to show up on time and never gave me weird excuses when things screw up so it's a good working relationship
Things always screw up. No matter which lab you use.
Sometimes riders even crash their bikes with your glasses on board.

Ok so the conclusion is hoya gave u bad working relationship which is weird cos my other optician dont seem to complain abt it.

Means my zeiss lens probably got scratched while the rider crash their bikes? anyway i have accepted the scratches alry. The blue resudual reflection just way too cool.

I will insist my zeiss Lenses to be cut in their lab in future instead of in house.

 

[Seannie]

Tiagong also because sinkie no rikes to work in Optical trade pruss old guys no rikes to teach skills
Nowadays.. A lot of stuff that used to be possible not notch possible anymore

I sent a lot of stuff up over the last decade and noticed while it used to be possible to do a lot of stuff. The same things would be met with a "cannot be done "
Most custom jobs that require hands on skills are rejected these days

PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

WHAT ARE TINGS THAT USED TO BE POSSIBLE BUT NOW PISSABLE??? DONT TOK TO YURSELF.

WHAT CUSTOM JOBS REJECTED. IS IT RX CUSTOM LENSES???

 

[Seannie]

Tiagong... 20 years ago the old boss was one of the best lens edgers in Singapore.
He could edge curved lenses with bare hands and do lenses on all sorts of frames labs these days cannot do
How true this Tiagong ish.... Moi donch noes..

But they like having at least 1 relative in each place
And they have or had the last time I heard, A busy edging room at Chinatown

One edging room to serve all outlets? Sure QC no good anymore. The last time i went there my OSA lenses from them were out of focus and blurred vision which never happened before as they used to be v clear and i had to go other shops reorder zeiss lens and vision v gd cos its done in zeiss lab.

Not sure who do the lens now definitely not the old boss. Probably his younger son who has lesser interest in the trade and more interested in his fone?

Old mr koh is old liao wonder who will takeover when he is gone. Staff turnover also a bit high. No one stays long in the trade. Wonders why.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Ok so the conclusion is hoya gave u bad working relationship which is weird cos my other optician dont seem to complain abt it.

Means my zeiss lens probably got scratched while the rider crash their bikes? anyway i have accepted the scratches alry. The blue resudual reflection just way too cool.

I will insist my zeiss Lenses to be cut in their lab in future instead of in house.

... Nope lol not even referring to Hoya. I dont have a bad relationship with Hoya. I have friends who had weird stories about Hoya but nothing that directly concerns me

In house or not there's no guarantee who is better. You are still trying to ask for a 100‰ answer to a question that cannot be answered that's way.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

WHAT ARE TINGS THAT USED TO BE POSSIBLE BUT NOW PISSABLE??? DONT TOK TO YURSELF.

WHAT CUSTOM JOBS REJECTED. IS IT RX CUSTOM LENSES???

It was already specifically mentioned jobs that require hands on skills. You either have a comprehension problem or a reading problem
These days most opticians do not cut lenses often

Lens cutting is something that needs to be practiced often to maintain a certain skill level

 

[oldbreadstinks]

One edging room to serve all outlets? Sure QC no good anymore. The last time i went there my OSA lenses from them were out of focus and blurred vision which never happened before as they used to be v clear and i had to go other shops reorder zeiss lens and vision v gd cos its done in zeiss lab.

Not sure who do the lens now definitely not the old boss. Probably his younger son who has lesser interest in the trade and more interested in his fone?

Old mr koh is old liao wonder who will takeover when he is gone. Staff turnover also a bit high. No one stays long in the trade. Wonders why.

..... I don't know if one edging room serves all so you best not say things like that along with your predictions of quality unless you want to know when libel means

As for your opinion on his younger son. You should tell him yourself

 

[Seannie]

It was already specifically mentioned jobs that require hands on skills. You either have a comprehension problem or a reading problem
These days most opticians do not cut lenses often

Lens cutting is something that needs to be practiced often to maintain a certain skill level

MOST OF THE SHOPS I GO TO CUTS THEIR OWN LENSES. ONLY CHAIN STORES DONT DO THAT OR THOSE WHO DONT HAVE MONIES TO BUY MACHINES NEED WAIT TO WIN TOTO FIRST.

CUTTING LENS IN OWN SHOP NEED HAND ON SKILLS AS WELL. ARE U REFERRING TO CUTTING LENS AS HANDS ON SKILLS OR WAT.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

MOST OF THE SHOPS I GO TO CUTS THEIR OWN LENSES. ONLY CHAIN STORES DONT DO THAT OR THOSE WHO DONT HAVE MONIES TO BUY MACHINES NEED WAIT TO WIN TOTO FIRST.

CUTTING LENS IN OWN SHOP NEED HAND ON SKILLS AS WELL. ARE U REFERRING TO CUTTING LENS AS HANDS ON SKILLS OR WAT.

Lol only chain stalls don't do that?
Why do you think so?
Like I said. Cutting lenses yourself is only meant for 1 thing. Reduce cost.
And the need to do so is only when the benefits of cutting them yourself far outstrips the benefits of getting someone else to cut

You need to make up your mind. You were saying cutting in house is a sign of quality a while back.. Now you're saying its about money . And chain stores don't when pearl that you've visited is somewhat of a chain store

As for hands on skills. Use your imagination. If it's not working. Try YouTube

 

[Seannie]

Lol only chain stalls don't do that?
Why do you think so?
Like I said. Cutting lenses yourself is only meant for 1 thing. Reduce cost.
And the need to do so is only when the benefits of cutting them yourself far outstrips the benefits of getting someone else to cut

You need to make up your mind. You were saying cutting in house is a sign of quality a while back.. Now you're saying its about money . And chain stores don't when pearl that you've visited is somewhat of a chain store

As for hands on skills. Use your imagination. If it's not working. Try YouTube

Yes hand on skills mean cutting lenses which is why one of my optician opted to do it himself, for both better quality & cost, but the problem is whether his skills are good or not.

If pearl is also a chain stall, i rather they send my zeiss lenses to labs rather than doing it at their one centralised in house lab, becos if they had to rush jobs u can imagine how good is the finished product. Unless its one shop only then i think doing in house is better. Some shops just have the pockets deep enuff to get their own machines, not becos they can have the volume to warrant the purchase of such capital intensive machines. Usually chain stores dont do in house as they are more inclined to retail sales unless they send to a common lab to do it. I have never seen in house labs in nanyang, optical88, spectacle huts, capitol optical and better vision having the biggest number of retail outlets in sg. All these send to labs. Pearl started out as in house then as it progresses to chain stalls i suppose they changed the way of doing things maybe some they do in house some they send to labs. But overall seems like labs still a safer choice although they have huge volumes to meet but the staff are specialised in their job functions, unlike in the shops they have to do CS, optometry & dispensing all at same time. When u cant conxentrate u tend to make more mistakes missing out on QC. As for the lab ple, everyone assigned do different jobs. The ladies do sales etc while guys some in charge of full rim, another in charge of semi rim, another in charge of rimless and another just doing RX. Each has his own specialised job scope i think better this way. No?

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Yes hand on skills mean cutting lenses which is why one of my optician opted to do it himself, for both better quality & cost, but the problem is whether his skills are good or not.

If pearl is also a chain stall, i rather they send my zeiss lenses to labs rather than doing it at their one centralised in house lab, becos if they had to rush jobs u can imagine how good is the finished product. Unless its one shop only then i think doing in house is better. Some shops just have the pockets deep enuff to get their own machines, not becos they can have the volume to warrant the purchase of such capital intensive machines. Usually chain stores dont do in house as they are more inclined to retail sales unless they send to a common lab to do it. I have never seen in house labs in nanyang, optical88, spectacle huts, capitol optical and better vision having the biggest number of retail outlets in sg. All these send to labs. Pearl started out as in house then as it progresses to chain stalls i suppose they changed the way of doing things maybe some they do in house some they send to labs. But overall seems like labs still a safer choice although they have huge volumes to meet but the staff are specialised in their job functions, unlike in the shops they have to do CS, optometry & dispensing all at same time. When u cant conxentrate u tend to make more mistakes missing out on QC. As for the lab ple, everyone assigned do different jobs. The ladies do sales etc while guys some in charge of full rim, another in charge of semi rim, another in charge of rimless and another just doing RX. Each has his own specialised job scope i think better this way. No?

Not really lol
Some of those names mentioned.. Actually created their own "personal lab" to save Costs. The amount saved is big enough when you service 20-30 outlets
And qc is horrendous. Not because the edger is no good or he had to do multiple tasks. We're talking about a person dedicated to edging here.

Others mentioned aspire to it if they're big enough. Because it works like a "central kitchen "
Definitely worth it for any retailing line if you have the volume.

And I really admire Paris miki (5-10 years ago not sure about today ) they do the edging in the shop. And the standard is very high. It's really about management. The managers kept to a certain standard.. At least a few I knew did it out of pride in their skill. And expected their staffs to do the same

 

[Seannie]

SO IN OTHER WORDS U DO AGREE THAT SEND TO THE BRANDED LENS LABS ARE BETTER THAN IN HOUSE OR "PERSONNAL" LABS RIGHT? BUT HOW DO I REALLY KNOE IF THEY WILL REALLY FOLO MY INSTRUCTIONS OR NOT? I MAY ASK FOR SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS BUT WHETHER THE STAFF DOES IT OR NOT I WONT KNOW UNLESS I GO TO SMALL SHOPS WITHOUT BRANCHES AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NO IN HOUSE OR PERSONAL LABS. BUT SOME SMALL SHOPS I KNOW LAST TIME SEND LENSES TO THEIR PERSONAL LABS WHICH ARE QUITE GOOD, EG GRAND OPTICAL BUT V HARD TO FIND NOWADAYS. SHOULD I BE LOWERING MY EXPECTATIONS AND ACCEPT SUBSTANDARD SPECS???? AND A PAIR OF SPECS NOT CHEAP NOWADAYS. OVER 1K.

 

[Seannie]

Really dont knoe eats wrong with edgers nowadays. Either the lenses are inaccurate axis/PD else got scratches or lens aligned crooked. So many problems and yet lens px are getting higher each year. Its tough living in this generation. I think being born in the 60s are better when businessmen are more honest and have integrity.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Really dont knoe eats wrong with edgers nowadays. Either the lenses are inaccurate axis/PD else got scratches or lens aligned crooked. So many problems and yet lens px are getting higher each year. Its tough living in this generation. I think being born in the 60s are better when businessmen are more honest and have integrity.

and lens prices are actually dropping

you would have to top up $40 for multicoat last time, these days the same lenses for a 1.56hmc of similar standards can go for $25/$35/$40
I often sell them as a set to old folks for like $38

transitions 1.5 crizal when it first came out was $280
theses days lenses with the transitions brand photochromic properties go for less than $100 to crizal's $248
(crizal transitions was$228 at one point )

 

[oldbreadstinks]

SO IN OTHER WORDS U DO AGREE THAT SEND TO THE BRANDED LENS LABS ARE BETTER THAN IN HOUSE OR "PERSONNAL" LABS RIGHT? BUT HOW DO I REALLY KNOE IF THEY WILL REALLY FOLO MY INSTRUCTIONS OR NOT? I MAY ASK FOR SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS BUT WHETHER THE STAFF DOES IT OR NOT I WONT KNOW UNLESS I GO TO SMALL SHOPS WITHOUT BRANCHES AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NO IN HOUSE OR PERSONAL LABS. BUT SOME SMALL SHOPS I KNOW LAST TIME SEND LENSES TO THEIR PERSONAL LABS WHICH ARE QUITE GOOD, EG GRAND OPTICAL BUT V HARD TO FIND NOWADAYS. SHOULD I BE LOWERING MY EXPECTATIONS AND ACCEPT SUBSTANDARD SPECS???? AND A PAIR OF SPECS NOT CHEAP NOWADAYS. OVER 1K.

your glasses are supposed to come in correct prescription
no scratches( no visible ones anyway)
and cut correctly
no matter who does it

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Its tough living in this generation. I think being born in the 60s are better when businessmen are more honest and have integrity.

these days most of the people in the optical trade are pretty humji compared to yesteryears
if not for all those seniors from the 60s, we wouldn't have so many laws to legislate the optical trade
unlike jover chew, most of the more honest and have integrity businessmen made sure you thank them after they chop you and you end up thinking you had a good deal

I can't recall if it was in this thread or the other, but i mentioned my classmate recognised his classmate, someone in his 70s this year , as the man who chop his carrot head so hard he turned into chai tao kway

 

[Seannie]

YOUR ENGLISH IS PRETTY DEEP. WHATS THE MEANING OF HUMJI????

 

[Seannie]

your glasses are supposed to come in correct prescription
no scratches( no visible ones anyway)
and cut correctly
no matter who does it

I NEVER TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THESE DAYS. IF MY LENSES ARE DONE PROPERLY NO SCRATCHES NO BLUR NO SLANTING I WILL CONSIDER MYSELF LIKE STRIKING 4D ALREADY. U KNOW THE CHANCES OF WINNING 4D.