The Watch Thread - Part 12

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This is damn fappable.



You're referring to where big? :o But seriously, I think I may put it back on the bracelet, the SD looks better back where it belongs!



My bulking consists of eating more than any actual training. :s13:



slow_mo bro saw me before, I just bui bui nia.:o

when big, everywhere is also proportionately bigger! :eek: :D

while i get why some (younger) folks love the nato look (and it's designed to be more secure than bracelets as the watch head remains attached should one lug pin breaks or snaps - and that's exactly why mil-spec divers from rolex and omega are ALWAYS ordered with fixed lug pins that can only be fitted with a nato/zulu strap), on a luxury sub, it just looks better on bracelet, imho, especially knowing how inexpensive a nato strap is.

after all, it's a luxury watch. in terms of status and the price you paid.

not a mil-spec military-issued piece of equipment that you didn't pay a pretty penny for, is owned by the govt that you must return after your mission is over, and is fully prepared to be beaten up during its term of service.
 

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when big, everywhere is also proportionately bigger! :eek: :D

while i get why some (younger) folks love the nato look (and it's designed to be more secure than bracelets as the watch head remains attached should one lug pin breaks or snaps - and that's exactly why mil-spec divers from rolex and omega are ALWAYS ordered with fixed lug pins that can only be fitted with a nato/zulu strap), on a luxury sub, it just looks better on bracelet, imho, especially knowing how inexpensive a nato strap is.

after all, it's a luxury watch. in terms of status and the price you paid.

not a mil-spec military-issued piece of equipment that you didn't pay a pretty penny for, is owned by the govt that you must return after your mission is over, and is fully prepared to be beaten up during its term of service.

I think military issue is given to you because you served. If not why so many 5517 are sold by Military personnel.
Correct me if I am wrong.

And which omega are mil-spec?
Can share?
 

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@teentitan01

The key to the smooth activation is the vertical clutch. It has nothing to do with the column wheel. You can build a vertical clutch onto a cam actuated chronograph and the activation will be just as smooth. Furthermore, I was responding to your claim that the 861 was a downgrade compared to the 321 when it really issnt.
 

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^ I thought moonwatch and 2254 uses similar bracelet and clasp? Haha
As a owner of 2254.
I think whatever a 2254 have, a seiko can match.
It's nothing special. Except the looks.
I buy because I like the look.
Other than that, nothing else.

Different right? Thought moo watch one is lighter

" I think whatever a 2254 have, a seiko can match". yeah, but which seiko?

grand seiko? for sure. in fact, MORE THAN!
seiko 5 line? in their dreams.

"It's nothing special. Except the looks."

it's special enough to use a chronometer grade eta 2829-A2 while others make do with the eta 2824-2 (even a certain hugely popular bay watch whose retro gilt dial i also love =:p) while costing less for the pleasure of owning one. that allows it to be thinner and more elegant. its mil-spec seamaster 300 inspired dial and sword hands are just pure readability and pleasurable function over form. as is it's discrete date aperture and matching black datewheel to preserve dial symmetry while still affording a date function. and who doesn't love a big triangle at 12 o'clock and rich lume in any sports watch or diver?

as for the SMP vs speedy bracelets, i can't put it better than jmsrolls :D:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=397595

SMP "Speedy" bracelet vs. Speedmaster "Speedy" bracelet

Over the years, Omega has offered the Seamaster Professional with two bracelet options: The "basket weave" Bond or the "Speedy" styled bracelet.

Someone on another forum asked why the Speedy Pro (3570.50) bracelet seemed lighter than his SMP "Speedy" bracelet. FYI, here is the answer I shared.

The only difference between the two bracelets is the clasp.

Top view:



Side views with the SMP on top:





Side by side with SMP in the forefront:



The design of the SMP bracelet makes it heavier. Note that the SMP clasp is longer and contains a diver expansion; i.e., more steel; ergo, more weight.

As most of your know, I do not care for the ref. 1998 Speedy Pro bracelet due to the extreme arc of the clasp. The SMP clasp is flatter and wears more comfortably on my wrist.

I also prefer the SMP "Speedy" bracelet over the Bond. I prefer the fit and taper of the "Speedy." And over time the Bond links wear and become unsightly. The "Speedy" links are more easily maintained.
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in short:
- SMP (SeaMaster Professional) has longer, flatter clasp than the speedy
- the SMP clasp has a diver's extension
- the curvier & longer arc of the speedy clasp actually protudes past into the bracelet when closed. (gx84, please go compare b/w your speedy and your 2254.50)
- the clasp closes without any gap for the SMP, while the speedy clasp has gaps between it and the bracelet that can potentially snag if something gets between the gap.

when i first handled the speedy's bracelet and see how well constructed it was compared to rolex pre-ceramic cheapo stamped metal sad inexcusable excuse of a clasp (charge more than omega yet have crappier clasp), i was pretty impressed.

in fact, omega has the best clasp in the business before rolex up its game with its most recent clasp.

after handling the SMP bracelet. i KNOW it's even better than the speedy's!
 
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I think military issue is given to you because you served. If not why so many 5517 are sold by Military personnel.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure about the entire procedure when being issued a MilSub, but I came across an article on MilSub with a history to Singapore back in 1968. It mentions how the watch was returned after he left the Far East Diving Team, presumably located at the Sembawang Naval Base, also known as the HMS Terror.

Very interesting read for those interested: http://www.diving-watch.net/MILSUB-MILITARY-ISSUE-ROLEX-SUBMARINER-

Image taken from http://www.diving-watch.net
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EDIT: Don't remember where I read it, but there were stories of how military/naval divers would report their watches as missing so as to be issued multiple watches. Don't think they were thinking of selling them, but perhaps seeing as it's a very durable watch, I suppose they wouldn't mind having a few around for daily beaters?
 
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The key to the smooth activation is the vertical clutch. It has nothing to do with the column wheel. You can build a vertical clutch onto a cam actuated chronograph and the activation will be just as smooth. Furthermore, I was responding to your claim that the 861 was a downgrade compared to the 321 when it really issnt.

unfortunately, till date, no one has built a vertical clutch for cam actuated chronographs. i would love to see it happen though. if only to redeem the reputation of cam-actuated chronographs.

i stand by my pov for the reasons i stated vis: perception, design/engineering tolerance, smooth action, no jerking of chrono seconds hand, and the fact that omega opted for cam-actuated 861 simply to save costs.
 

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^ maybe Singapore is cheap enough to ask for it back.
I think other military service, Watches are given to them.

And tt01. You're too obsessed with the 2254.

I think you gotta look beyond the 2255.

Mm300 is way more superior watch compared to 2254
You should know what I meant.
 

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I think military issue is given to you because you served. If not why so many 5517 are sold by Military personnel.
Correct me if I am wrong.

And which omega are mil-spec?
Can share?

here you go bro!

http://www.svetsatova.com/forum/f89...ncluding-military-watches-5980.html#post67568

The Omega Seamaster 300 including Military watches

Ω Military models.

In 1966 the British Ministry of defence began negotiations with Omega to agree a specification for a diving watch to be used by the Military.

The final document was established on 1 January 1971, under reference DEF STAN 66 - 4 (Part 1). To collectors these documents are known as the 'standards MOD'.


MOD for Ministry Of Defence and shown below are a few extracts from the document.

MOD1.jpg


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For the complete document see: Ministry Of Defence Document 66-4 Part 1 / Issue 2

The first Military SM300s were introduced in 1967 with the standard dial and sword hands. I understand that a few used the Naiad crown but cannot see how that fitted in with the MOD specification.

All the military SM300 watches had engraved numbers on the case back, the letter 'T' for Tritium in a circle on the dial and solid non removable strap bars instead of the usual spring bar.


For further information on Military SM300s see: http://vintageomegaforum.com/documents/byguile/byguile.html.


part 2 follows cos got 8 pic limit...
 

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part 2 of 2
PIC.28 - Copyright: Marcello Pisani, (mwrforum.net).
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PIC.29 - Ignore middle watch.
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Copyright: Marcello Pisani, (mwrforum.net).
our omega 2254.50 has a rich heritage if you care enough to explore deeper. i hope after this and some research on your part, your appreciation of it grows even deeper. it's not a cult watch for nothing. and it's all thanks to the mil-spec seamaster 300 dna!
 

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^ oh that. Totally forget about it.

Watchco did a version of their own using omega parts.
Thanks!
 

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part 2 of 2
PIC.28 - Copyright: Marcello Pisani, (mwrforum.net).
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PIC.29 - Ignore middle watch.
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Copyright: Marcello Pisani, (mwrforum.net).
our omega 2254.50 has a rich heritage if you care enough to explore deeper. i hope after this and some research on your part, your appreciation of it grows even deeper. it's not a cult watch for nothing. and it's all thanks to the mil-spec seamaster 300 dna!

To be honest. I like it. But I am not obessed.
Haha I keep my options open.
Infact I thought of selling it for my ap.

Haha sorry I brandwhore
 

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anyone knows if swatch service ctr is open on tuesday? :s22:

i think my speedmaster really gone kuku.. better service it while under warranty
 

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It's a tool watch, it's not built to be elegant. It's built for reliability and durability. So why judge a monkey for its ability to swim? Doesn't make sense does it?



unfortunately, till date, no one has built a vertical clutch for cam actuated chronographs. i would love to see it happen though. if only to redeem the reputation of cam-actuated chronographs.

i stand by my pov for the reasons i stated vis: perception, design/engineering tolerance, smooth action, no jerking of chrono seconds hand, and the fact that omega opted for cam-actuated 861 simply to save costs.
 

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If given the moolah, i will buy moonwatch over 2254. Don't get ur hype over 2254 though. Perhaps it's to self-justify your own purchase bah
 

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^ maybe Singapore is cheap enough to ask for it back.
I think other military service, Watches are given to them.

And tt01. You're too obsessed with the 2254.

I think you gotta look beyond the 2255.

Mm300 is way more superior watch compared to 2254
You should know what I meant.

not in the least, bro.

just more aware of the omega 2254.50's charm, heritage, charisma and still relatively affordable and value-for-money with healthy upside potential than others. =:p

don't you worry, bro. once funds permitting, i shall be consulting you regarding the rolex 1680 liao. :)

don't know much about the mm300 except its monocoque case construction requires access from the front of the watch just like gen 1 king seikos. that means any servicing has to be done in japan. and its undecorated grand seiko movement. and it's much thicker. sure there're fans of the thick chunky diver. but i prefer mine more svelte, slim, elegant and discreet. :D
 

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Issnt it ironic that on one hand you diss the 861 as a downgrade when compared to the 321. But the 2254 is so charismatic? What happened to the big triangle? It's a pathetic shadow of what the big triangle was.

not in the least, bro.

just more aware of the omega 2254.50's charm, heritage, charisma and still relatively affordable and value-for-money with healthy upside potential than others. =:p

don't you worry, bro. once funds permitting, i shall be consulting you regarding the rolex 1680 liao. :)

don't know much about the mm300 except its monocoque case construction requires access from the front of the watch just like gen 1 king seikos. that means any servicing has to be done in japan. and its undecorated grand seiko movement. and it's much thicker. sure there're fans of the thick chunky diver. but i prefer mine more svelte, slim, elegant and discreet. :D
 

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To be honest. I like it. But I am not obessed.
Haha I keep my options open.
Infact I thought of selling it for my ap.

Haha sorry I brandwhore

nothing wrong in consolidation. at all.

we all grow. taste change.

so when a watch spends lesser & lesser wrist time, those less sentimental will let it go for another who will love it more. and that's a good thing too for you, your old love and its new owner.

if old don't go, how can new come in? unless you're sentimental and has cash to spare.

brandwhore? heck, who isn't. vintage rolex can command HUGE premiums despite their crappy folded link bracelets, folded end links and crappy stamped metal clasps - well just because.

erase that logo and it's a just another lkk watch with aging parts, disintegrating lume and the sh1tty crappy bracelet and clasp.
 

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Issnt it ironic that on one hand you diss the 861 as a downgrade when compared to the 321. But the 2254 is so charismatic? What happened to the big triangle? It's a pathetic shadow of what the big triangle was.

my respect for you after your level-headed post during the gruppo gamma saga has just been dashed as a result of your nasty, spiteful comment that comes out of the blue without any reason.

at least i supported my pov re: c.321 vs c.861 with valid objective reasons.

continue down this road and i'll put you on ignore. :s8:
 

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anyone knows if swatch service ctr is open on tuesday? :s22:

i think my speedmaster really gone kuku.. better service it while under warranty

should open since it's not PH.

i thought you had it de-magnetized?

good luck on the repair.
 

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boss, $1 quick pick is not gambling lah.

the following is a true* account of high stakes gambling:

gambling is when you slide 2 stacks of 10 orange chips each @ $25k per chip onto the player box at mbs paiza room VIP baccarat table. cos the table limit on your lucky table that night was merely $500k. ah well. just a start.

the croupier opens hers to reveal a pair of 4 of hearts while yours is a king of hearts atop a covered card.

yeah. like she want you to doubly make you to "4". her 杀气 damn strong. she's one of those killer croupiers casinos bring in as substitutes when clients are winning big.

big deal. you brushed off that inauspicious notion as quickly as it surfaced.

the many special blessings you received and the blessed holy amulets in you and on you are more than a match for ANY dark forces who dare goes up against them.

nevertheless, beads of sweat involuntarily forms on your forehead even as you try unsuccessfully to slow down your racing heart cos the adrenaline just kicked in, yo!

and that's not just because the sexy redhead is purposefully bending lower to allow you a good eyeful at her lucious half-ball double D-cup melon goodness after she spotted the PP 5711R sparking under the halogen room lights on your wrist as her heady perfume wafts through your refined nose.

it's the same feeling in your day job.

cos you live for adrenaline.

it comes as no surprise that your favourite sports are sky-diving (you picked that up when you were an NS commando officer. even extended your service to qualify for HALO and HAHO with the SOF. you begged & you sweet-talked your way into the training program with COL Chiang Hock Woon when he was your CCO that time. he made an exception cos you're the best NSF officer he's had in all his career up till that point. he's BG now. you chaps still keep in touch), scuba-diving (you hold multiple PADI rescue diver, wreck diver, saturation diver ratings), polo (you even played with prince harry once when you were stationed in the uk), yacht-racing, open-wheel racing and fencing.

you take a deep, DEEP breath or two.

you bend your card & peek under the long edge of your covered card in fearful yet hopeful anticipation.

4 sides! :eek:

game not over yet. it could be a 10.

you do the same for the shorter edge.

2 sides! :eek:

is it gonna be a 9 or deadmeat if it's a 10?

you take a swig of favourite liquor. smooth, velvety.

you take a DEEP breath. stands up from your seat. reach for the covered card. and slam it face side up!

9 of hearts!!!

you give a few huge shouts of victory "YESSS!!! YESSS!!! YESSS!!!" as you slam your fists in cadence with your shouts along the padded edge of the baccarat table.

but that's just the start of the shoe.

you know your lucks on your side tonight.

you negotiate with the VIP executive to request for NO LIMIT gaming. he made a few phone calls.

"i beg your pardon mr Thai_Rak_Thai. you're our most valued VIP client. and i deeply apologize for disappointing you. but we've a table limit of $1 mil per hand."

being the debonair, sartorial & poised gentleman that you are, you don't want to make things difficult.

"can you please do me a favour?" (cos you're always polite & considerate to everyone, including the cleaning lady in your office)

"call sheldon to see if we can play in usd - as a personal favour - he has my number." (it's just past 11 pm local time, so it won't impose on mr adelson. you're considerate as ever).

sheldon agrees.

the night wore on.

you did lose slightly more hands than you won.

BUT.

those that you lost were chicken feed compare to the massive USD1 million per hand that won.

and those that you lost?

cushioned with the side bets you made on tie bets and player/banker pairs.

after 3 hours and 78 hands, you won 38 hands vs 40 hands.

but because your instincts were good, you only lost when you cut down to your customary floor bet of $100k. only USD4 mil loss. chicken feed.

compared to the USD$38 mil you won each time you max out the table limit.

good thing too you were playing alone. with no hangers-on eating into the table limit.

with the miscellaneous wins on tie and double player/banker bets, you're won a cool USD38mil+.

sigh.

"this even harder than work", you think to yourself.

when you regularly make a killing in the capital markets at 50 million net a pop in EUR, GBP, USD and YEN equivalents.

because you're THE finance wunderkind. THE capital market clairvoyant. THE securities savant. THE forex wizard.

"time for a good workout cos it's gonna be tarma time with the sexy russian blonde and sexy japanese high class hookers tonight at the mbs presidential suite", you chuckled to yourself.

as usual, you gave generous tips all round to the room staff (this time, easily equivalent to their annual salaries) and the executives present.

you make a mental note to increase your charitable contributions tomorrow.

just because you care enough. to care. :)
*true as in mandela effect true. it could very well happen in another timeline!

Oi. Don't think I don't read these postings ok. Libel :D

Not been to the casino for some time. Truth
 
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