The Watch Thread - Part 8

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Most important is to make sure the documentation tally with the serial no., calibre no. As for new pieces warranty, there's 0.01% chance watch will be defected . The QC would be very stringent for watches that are discuss here.

Having said that, ironically i bought my ap ro BNIB and discovered a Tiny dust spec on the dial. AP will settle it immediately but I didn't want to wait for the downtime so I just let it be for now maybe until the 2 years warranty ending then I'll sent it in.

Well for bnib , stickers intact watches, as long as warranty card is dated, serial number tallies, there is no need to authenticate right ?
 

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Well for bnib , stickers intact watches, as long as warranty card is dated, serial number tallies, there is no need to authenticate right ?

Bro, we're blessed to be born in Singapore and I think retailers are ethical. So don't worry too much. If you are still bothered by the authenticity, just go to the boutique and buy. Pay the premium for the piece of mind. Anyway like u mention the difference is not that fantastic.

Speaking of dust, just got my IWC back, serviced from IWC hq in Switzerland, as usual, a few dust specs, hands got blemishes , all seen in normal daylight. Paid about 700 ..

Feel abit ripped off but dont think I gona sent it back cause they will add in additional dust or blemishes for sure.

Better to leave it alone if it's just a tiny spec.

There will be dusts in every single watch dial , just a matter of when u spot it and how OCD r u. Heck, I even when to a boutique before and saw a big dust particle in a brand new Submariner .

Ya lo, I thought these watch makers work in a dust free environment. As for your IWC hands, when u send for servicing did u pay for polishing as well? If is including polishing then I think the blemish in the hands is not acceptable. When i went to horolab and service/polish my watch, i was told they dissemble everything and put it into a ultrasonic wash or whatever they called it. The blemish on my rotor was gone.
 

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Bro, we're blessed to be born in Singapore and I think retailers are ethical. So don't worry too much. If you are still bothered by the authenticity, just go to the boutique and buy. Pay the premium for the piece of mind. Anyway like u mention the difference is not that fantastic.



Ya lo, I thought these watch makers work in a dust free environment. As for your IWC hands, when u send for servicing did u pay for polishing as well? If is including polishing then I think the blemish in the hands is not acceptable. When i went to horolab and service/polish my watch, i was told they dissemble everything and put it into a ultrasonic wash or whatever they called it. The blemish on my rotor was gone.

My hands were replaced with a brand new one. So the blemish was on the brand new hands. Well, I can presue this matter, but the fact they replaced my hands foc, not gonna risk sending in for more issues.

Been to horolab before, much better than the Authorized service centers, If not for the need to replace some parts, I would have serviced in horolab.
 

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Yea heard a lot of horror stories abt richmont and swatch grp svcing.

Some even came bak with a big gash scratch on caseback due to careless handling of caseback remover ://

Just curious whats the current price for emperor tuna right now? Last i seen was ard 2.5-2.8.

Now conparing that with black shield
 

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Thks for the insights. And it seems these dealers are able to get hard to find models too.

Even if warranty cards are given, is it advisable to authenticate it just in case?

Am I right to say as long as warranty cards are given , no further action is needed to check it?

1. As always, trust but verify!

2. For 2nd hand watches, you buy on the seller's reputation.
 
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new rolex watches bought from boutique or AD will be 5 years.
some brands don't even offer warranties.

watches bought from "grey" or preowned shops usually don't issue warranties at all, at most do a full refund if the watch happened to be a fake after authentication.

well, since nothing is perfect, things will spoil. For a brand new watch purchased from boutique or AD, its a matter of luck. Usually, boutique or AD will give a 7 to 14 days "grace period" for a one-to-one exchange, in the event there is something wrong with your watch or the watch movement.
whether defects to physical appearances and aesthetics will be covered within this grace period, depends entirely on the individual brands. because you are supposed to inspect your watch thoroughly before you confirm your purchase and sign on the dotted line.

For Novelty77's case, not too sure whether in two years time, AP will still remember that there was a tiny spec of dust on the dial and not charge Novelty77 extra maintenance fees. The argument being that AP offered to settle it there and then but Novelty77 turned down the offer...

having said so... coming back to another part of your question regarding watch movements...
now, watch movements which are available for other companies to buy to use in their watches and modify it according, such as ETA, Miyota, Seagull; these are very reputable and reliable movements which have been around for many, many years, and it is comparable with in-house movements.

You can look up brands like Hamilton, IWC, Omega, Tudor, Panerai, Breitling, which use eta movements and they don't hide it.
but of course, the thing about in-house movements is that the entire manufacturing process is 100% regulated. Any defects in the movement will be removed immediately before it is even able to make its way into the watch assembly line...

ALS is the perfect example for QC on making in-house movements.


according to iceflight dai dai gor... ALS will assemble each movement, break it all down and then re-assemble the movement again.
If a defect appears anywhere along this line... *POOF* you're out!!!

and one last thing, all SAs will guide you how to wind up your watch and will repeatedly advise you to be gentle with the crown and don't be too rough with it...

there is no clear definition of "in house movement" and no standards as yet, and of course no authority to say what qualifies.
 

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having said so... coming back to another part of your question regarding watch movements...
now, watch movements which are available for other companies to buy to use in their watches and modify it according, such as ETA, Miyota, Seagull; these are very reputable and reliable movements which have been around for many, many years, and it is comparable with in-house movements.

You can look up brands like Hamilton, IWC, Omega, Tudor, Panerai, Breitling, which use eta movements and they don't hide it.

but of course, the thing about in-house movements is that the entire manufacturing process is 100% regulated. Any defects in the movement will be removed immediately before it is even able to make its way into the watch assembly line...

ALS is the perfect example for QC on making in-house movements.

according to iceflight dai dai gor... ALS will assemble each movement, break it all down and then re-assemble the movement again.
If a defect appears anywhere along this line... *POOF* you're out!!!


ETA does the mod for others. they are options provided to brands outside swatch group.

QC vs design flaws... when we pay for ALS sure it better have great QC.
stowa is known to have great QC too. according to a published book they pretty much does the same thing like ALS.

regulated is loosely used here, its regulated by the brand who makes the item certainly but what makes it good? what is good regulation? degree have accrediting bodies still Stanford vs Cali State very different. ISO standards or coding regulation etc does not make stuff great too.. Car heavily regulated still have recalls.
 

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My hands were replaced with a brand new one. So the blemish was on the brand new hands. Well, I can presue this matter, but the fact they replaced my hands foc, not gonna risk sending in for more issues.

Been to horolab before, much better than the Authorized service centers, If not for the need to replace some parts, I would have serviced in horolab.

really hate it when these issues happened. we sent our watches for servicing to get it fixed in the end, cosmetic failure happens. even if my $$ grow on trees, I will be dissatisfied.
 
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I thought this article by SJX might be useful for watch shopping in the Lion City.

Disclaimer: Slightly long post


http://www.watchesbysjx.com/2015/08/a-watch-buyers-guide-to-singapore.html

An island nation that's a major player in the market for luxury watches, Singapore is a regional hub for the watch industry and also a tastemaker thanks to its enthusiastic adoption of high-end, independent brands. We give you a rundown of the Singapore watch scene.

Singapore is one of the world's major watch markets - in 2014 it was the eighth largest destination for Swiss watch exports - despite being an island nation with a population of just 5.5 million. The reason for its importance lies in two factors. One is Singapore's position as a regional hub, with watches transhipped via Singapore to nearby countries. And more importantly for high-end timepieces, Singapore is the destination for wealthy individuals in the region. The financial and medical services in Singapore are a big draw, as is its highly developed shopping infrastructure.


A small country that's big in watches

Consequently, Singapore is a major market for high-end and exotic timepieces, punching way above its weight. Independent watchmakers like MB&F and Urwerk count Singapore as amongst their most important markets. In fact, it would be fair to say that without Singapore, some independent watchmakers would find it hard to survive.

Because English is the main medium of communication in Singapore, the media dedicated to watches in Singapore is active and connected worldwide. Timezone, the oldest watch forum on the internet, was originally set up in Singapore.

Districts

Most watch stores are clustered in two areas, visiting either covers most of what's on offer. The best known is Orchard Road, a thoroughfare surrounded by shopping malls, but also a name for the general area that includes Scotts Road. All the major watch retailers are present in Orchard Road, as are most of the brand boutiques.

Ngee Ann City, ION Orchard and Paragon are the malls with the largest number of watch stores. ION Orchard for instance includes Cartier, IWC, Jaeger-LeCoultre, Lange, Patek Philippe, Rolex and Vacheron Constantin boutiques. All three are within 10 minutes walk from each other. (See the mall directory links at bottom.)

Marina Bay Sands (MBS) was only opened in 2010, built on a reclaimed land. A massive complex that includes a casino, hotel, convention centre and shopping mall, MBS is the most expensive gaming property in the world. But with Singapore the second largest gaming market in the world after Macau, MBS quickly paid for itself. One attraction of the mall is that high rollers can use points accumulated in the casino loyalty programme to shop.

Because of its size the mall can be hard to navigate for first-timers, but MBS Shoppes contains a long list of watch stores, both multi-brand retailers and brand boutiques. Unlike the malls in Orchard Road, MBS includes entry-level and mid-range brand boutiques, like Longines, Tissot and Citizen, as well as the usual high horology names.

Multi-brand retailers

Singapore is home to three of the world's largest watch retailers, with The Hour Glass, Cortina Watch and Sincere Fine Watches accounting for the bulk of luxury watch sales in Singapore. Singapore's importance as a watch market is illustrated by their turnover: revenue leader The Hour Glass posted sales of nearly S$735 million (equivalent to US$452 million) for the last financial year, with half of that domestic.

Each of the retailers have stores in the main shopping districts, and each store typically has a strong selection of mid- to ultra-high end watches on display. This includes uncommon high-end independent brands. Cortina carries Hautlence, The Hour Glass has De Bethune, while Greubel Forsey can be found at Sincere.

The flagship stores of each of the major retailers are worth a visit:

Cortina Watch at Capitol Piazza
15 Stamford Road
Capitol Piazza #01-77/78/79/80
Singapore 178906


L’Atelier by The Hour Glass
2 Orchard Turn
ION Orchard #03-06
Singapore 238801

Sincere Haute Horlogerie
The Shopping Gallery at The Hilton
581 Orchard Road
#02-17/18
Singapore 238883

A notable newcomer is Emperor Watch & Jewellery, which only opened its second store in Singapore in 2015. Though its presence in Singapore is minor, it's an outpost of the retailer of the same name that is one of the biggest players in Hong Kong and China. In Singapore Emperor only carries Cartier, Patek Philippe, Rolex and Tudor. Though it is small Emperor's size in Hong Kong means it's no bit player, so its stores have an impressive array of watches on display.

Emperor Watch & Jewellery
581 Orchard Road
#01-03/04 The Shopping Gallery at the Hilton
Singapore 238883

Notably, both Sincere and The Hour Glass have recently ventured into new retail brands specialising in entry-level and mid-range watches, reflecting the slower growth in demand for upmarket watches. Suntime and Watches of Switzerland mostly carry watches in the S$5000 and below segment:

Suntime by Sincere Fine Watches
391 Orchard Road
#03-08B Takashimaya Shopping Centre
Singapore 238872

Watches of Switzerland by The Hour Glass
290 Orchard Road
#01-19/20 Paragon
Singapore 238859

And then there are watch retailers that are mostly present in malls located suburban areas, like All Watches and Vincent Watch. These retailers carry more affordable brands, like TAG Heuer and Maurice Lacroix.

Boutiques

Every single major watch brand, from A. Lange & Söhne to Zenith, has a boutique in Singapore. Most are located either in Orchard Road or Marina Bay Sands. Individual brand websites will list the location of their boutiques and retailers in Singapore. (A selection of brand boutique locations can be found at the bottom of this story.)

Pricing

While watches were generally expensive in Singapore relative to other countries, for several years since the 2008 financial crisis, the trend has reversed itself, as both the Singapore dollar and local demand have weakened. As of 2015, prices in Singapore are generally more competitive than in the recent past, though some countries with sharply weaker currencies have an advantage.

Discounts are usually offered by multi-brand retailers, resulting in a "street price" that's below the recommended retail. Unlike multi-brand retailers, single brand boutiques tend to offer little or no discount off the retail price. Additionally, tourists can get a consumption tax refund (more info below).

Boutiques do, however, compensate for the strict price policy with an increasingly array of other perks, including gifts with purchases and sometimes for really big ticket items, trips to Switzerland. And to further entice buyers into their own stores, watch brands are increasing the number of "boutique exclusive" models that available only at boutiques.

Secondary market

Singapore is a relatively large and active secondary market for watches, though one that is predominantly about modern watches. As in other countries, popular mainstream brands like Audemars Piguet, Cartier, Hublot, Panerai, Patek Philippe, Rolex and Omega are commonly encountered. But because Singapore is a major market for niche independent brands, it is not uncommon to spot an MB&F or Urwerk on the secondary market.

Because Singapore has strong intellectual property laws and enforcement, fake watches are not a concern. The usual caveats when purchasing used timepieces still apply, like condition, accessories, provenance and so on, but Singapore is a safe place to buy a used watch.

GR Luxury
333A Orchard Road
#03-29 Mandarin Gallery
Singapore 238897

Horological Restoration Centre
304 Orchard Road
#02-102 Lucky Plaza
Singapore 238863

JW Horological Gallery
10 Anson Road
#02-88 International Plaza
Singapore 079903

Watch Link
14 Scotts Road
#03-79 Far East Plaza
Singapore 228213

As is expected for a country that is amongst the most wired in the world, there are also several reputable secondary market dealers that operate without a store.

Indonesian Watch Exchange
Instagram @idwx

Kenneth Chen
k.chen on Timezone

While Singapore is primarily about contemporary watches, there is a small but growing audience for the vintage stuff. One of the rare stores to specialise in vintage watches is Heirloom Gallery.

Heirloom Gallery
20 Upper Circular Rd
#01-37 The RiverWalk
Singapore 058416

And a new, Singapore-based platform, Luxglove, to list watches and other luxury goods will come online soon. Similar to 1stdibs or Chrono24, It was started by the founder of a similar platform that focuses on affordable contemporary art.

Auctions

None of the international auctioneers like Christie's, Sotheby's or Phillips hold watch auctions in Singapore. Instead the main watch auctions in Asia take place in Hong Kong in the Spring and Fall seasons. However, each of the major auction houses typically have previews for their Hong Kong sales in Singapore. The schedule for such previews is available from the auction houses.

Repairs

The big watchmaking groups like Richemont and the Swatch Group have service centres in Singapore, as do the major independent brands like Rolex, Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe and Chopard. Work on simpler movements is typically done locally, usually that includes complications up to a chronograph in complexity.

Returning a watch to the manufacturer offers the best assurance of a good job done, however, it comes at high cost and a long wait. For complicated watches it can take as long as half a year.

All the three major local retailers have their own service centres as well, providing basic after-sales service for the brands they distribute. Complex repairs usually mean a trip back to Switzerland.

Singapore also has several independent watchmakers. JW Horological Gallery (a preowned watch dealer mentioned above) also offers servicing and can handle relatively complicated watches, but with a lead time of several months.

K2 Watch Company is a good option for simpler and more affordable watches; it's also a retailer for Seiko.

K2 Watch Company
#03-K1 Tanjong Katong Complex
845 Geylang Rd
Singapore 400845

Taxes and tourists

Consumption tax in Singapore is known is a flat 7%. Known as Goods and Services Tax (GST), it is levied on business with a taxable turnover of S$1 million, which applies to nearly all watch retailers in Singapore.

Certain retailers offer a GST refund for tourists, which can be claimed when leaving Singapore. As is the case in many other countries, the refund is slightly less than the 7% tax due to the fees charged by the retailer of the refund agency (Global Blue for instance).

Appendix

Boutiques

A. Lange & Söhne
2 Orchard Turn
#02-05A Ion Orchard
Singapore 238801

Audemars Piguet
2 Bayfront Avenue
#B2M-207 The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 018972

Blancpain
2 Bayfront Avenue
#B2-237 The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 018972

Breguet
2 Bayfront Avenue
#B2-237 The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 018972

Cartier
391 Orchard Road
#01-33, #02-02 Ngee Ann City
Singapore 238872

Chopard
391 Orchard Road
#01-25/26/27 Ngee Ann City
Singapore 238872

Franck Muller
2 Orchard Turn
#01-07 ION Orchard
Singapore 238801

Harry Winston
2 Orchard Turn
#02-19 ION Orchard
Singapore 238801

IWC
2 Orchard Turn
#02-06 Ion Orchard
Singapore 238801

Jaeger-LeCoultre
2 Orchard Turn
#02-08 ION Orchard
Singapore 238801

Longines
2 Bayfront Avenue
#B1-90A/B The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 18972

Montblanc
333A Orchard Road
#01-01/02-01 Mandarin Gallery
Singapore 238897

Omega
2 Orchard Turn
#01-11 ION Orchard
Singapore 238801

Panerai
2 Orchard Turn
#01-18 ION Orchard‎
Singapore 238801

Patek Philippe
581 Orchard Road
#01-05/08 The Hilton Shopping Gallery
Singapore 238883

Piaget
391 Orchard Road
#02-12A Ngee Ann City Tower B
Singapore 238874

Roger Dubuis
2 Bayfront Avenue
#B2-241 The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 018971

Rolex
435 Orchard Road
#02-40/41-44 Wisma Atria
Singapore 238877

TAG Heuer
435 Orchard Road
#02-34/35 Wisma Atria
Singapore 238877

Vacheron Constantin
2 Bayfront Avenue
#B2-238 The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 018972

Zenith
8 Bayfront Avenue
#B2-200 The Shoppes at Marina Bay Sands
Singapore 018955
 

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guys

does small rectangular watches goes well with casual wear on guys? Does it look too feminine?

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