Thinning Hair problem

[Asymtope]

Hahaaa sorry for ur inconvenient, didn't proper see it through
so Isopropyl, how to stop or cure the inflammation scrap? because whenever i apply something (etc tonic) always got the itchy feeling

well i did suffer hairloss lastime, i think it is because of scrap inflammation, because few years back i always scratch my scrap until very red on my crown part
so now i wan to regrow my hair where i had loss

i decide to use growell again, so any taker for the propecia? willing to let go at cheap cheap price

u sure u want to add in minox?

minox has done great damage on me. I suffered from scalp irritation and lost more hair. I have stopped it and now I am still not returning to the state when I have started.

 

[rECKleSSfElla]

hi, can u elaborate how ur scalp feels funny?

Since 2% Nizoral is a prescribed shampoo, won't it be harmful to us if we use it frequently?

Personally I am using Nizoral 1% everyday.

2% is not to be used everyday......in fact use it not more than 2-3 times a wk cuz its strong....i have used it b4 previously n after washing i feel a slight burning sensation on my scalp.....also has quite a strong smell...as for 1% there are no probs using it everyday.

 

[wawa81]

u sure u want to add in minox?

minox has done great damage on me. I suffered from scalp irritation and lost more hair. I have stopped it and now I am still not returning to the state when I have started.

i am also in dilemma, 2 years back i was using growell for a year and half, and i think the spray not work for me so i stop using it
then i try many hair tonic , and eventually using Ginvera hair tonic, and i think it work alittee for me since i grow some baby hair, and been using like near a year
then i dunno why, when after bathing, trying to apply it as usual, my scalp become itch, thefore now i stop using it, i believe it is my scalp inflammation

read this thread, then found out propecia, then went to buy it, and saw the instruction it might reverse the effect, so i decided not going to use it

after the recommendation from ISOpryl, think i gonna use Emu Oil to see can help me stop the inflammation or nt

btw any1 use Emu oil b4?

 

[crownvision]

certain hair sprays/solutions may cause side effects. like minox, propecia etc. i myself tried these, although they do not impose negative results, my hair loss problem didn't resolve either.

a few months back i bought something called the "hair stimulator" which aids blood circulation to the scalp, thus promoting hair growth. it's an electronic device which is quite convenient to use. so far got some baby hair growing on my affected part.

if u r interested, u may try doing a search on the internet and u might perhaps find some relevant information.

 

[louisliao]

you might want to try Nizoral cream as well since the shampoo is working so well for you
cost about $15++ for a 20gram tude. you can leave it on your scalp whole day long without it being hard on your hair.

Kirkland is make by the same company as Rogaine. so it the same stuff. but some report that kirkland seem to be a tab more greasy than rogaine. most people are having scalp problem with minoxidil is due to the PPG content. there are PPG free minoxidil. but i believe the PPG content is responsible for a large part on how well it work. during double blind study on minoxidil, the placebo solution make up of PPG and water is found to grow hair although not as well as the real solution.

Thats new! didnt know there was nizoral cream.. but i think i'll stick to the shampoo.. im already using minoxidil for growth and emu cream as my hairgel.. very hard to cycle it all in a day esp when i need to be out

it seems the androgens produced by the DHT only damages the follicles when it hits a threshold quantity.. for me, that threshold appears to be reached in about 1.5 days.. so using nizoral shampoo every day keeps the hairloss to a minimum..

i would much rather use minox and emu for leave-on since they target hair growth and hair grows every min of the day

i just bought a bottle of minoxi5 from guardian and i noticed that growell is having a 15% discount for their range of minoxidil.. haha.. i think when they up their price, all boycott their product liao.. would have bought online if it my bottle of growell weren't empty and i need a few days to sort out the credit card address/recipient address issue..

 

[louisliao]

Hi to all,
i'm thinking of using Nizoral Shampoo to fight my hairloss, i know this has been discussed earlier but i 'm a little confused as to which version i should use.
There's 1% and 2 % right? They are stated as to be used for dandraff but are useful in fighting hairloss right?
Tks to all

i suggest you use 1%.. cuz 2% imho is too harsh for treating hairloss which i believe you need to use on a more regular basis.. i.e. once a day, 3-4 mins per application

the way nizoral works is that its an anti-androgenic shampoo.. the DHT in your body does not destroy your follicles.. its the androgens (produced by the DHT) thats eating away your crown of glory..

and yes.. it is manufactured and priced for fighting dandruff and that might not be such a bad thing.. but if it were priced for preventing hair loss, can you imagine how much it would cost in the market??

i hope that day never arrives

add : i also used nizoral to treat fungi growth on my feet.. after 1 week.. all gone.. a testament to its ability to wipe out fungi-induced dandruff

 

[louisliao]

i am also in dilemma, 2 years back i was using growell for a year and half, and i think the spray not work for me so i stop using it
then i try many hair tonic , and eventually using Ginvera hair tonic, and i think it work alittee for me since i grow some baby hair, and been using like near a year
then i dunno why, when after bathing, trying to apply it as usual, my scalp become itch, thefore now i stop using it, i believe it is my scalp inflammation

read this thread, then found out propecia, then went to buy it, and saw the instruction it might reverse the effect, so i decided not going to use it

after the recommendation from ISOpryl, think i gonna use Emu Oil to see can help me stop the inflammation or nt

btw any1 use Emu oil b4?

you need to know that there are 2 main concerns in combatting a bald head..

i) hair loss

ii) hair growth

if you do not arrest your hair loss, no matter how good your hair growth formula is, in the end, you will still lose it all.. there are a number of products you can use to stop hair loss.. they are either anti-DHT or anti-androgenic..

anti-DHT are products like propecia/finasteride that 'regulates' your hormones such that less DHT is produced.. this is also one of the reasons why anti-DHT products never made it into my regimen.. i dont want to fiddle with hormones.. cuz hormones are what make you male or female however, there are some who rather stop the follicle destruction at the DHT level than to let it reach a more dangerous androgenic level.. well its all up to the individual ultimately..

anti-androgen would be nizoral shampoo/cream (others? i am not aware) which deactivates the androgens at the scalp.. its a just-in-time solution to hair loss and one missed cycle would guarantee a day's loss of hair

as for hair growth, i have only used growell minoxidil 5% and i must say it works very well for my bald patches.. been using for about 2 months (0.5ml per day) and my crop of 'baby' hairs is now almost 0.5 cm long.. oh and emu cream.. well i dont know how it works, but ppl say its good for the skin, so i put it on my face and use it as a hair gel

so the key to fighting baldness is not just stimulating growth, you need to arrest hair loss effectively as well.. good luck!!

 

[Isopropyl]

Asymtope:

just use the Nizoral 1%. although 2% have more data that it help in hair loss, there is one study that show, 1% work as good as 2%. in sinapore, 2% can also be get OTC. you do not need a prescription.
http://www.hairlosshelp.com/html/nizoral1study.cfm


wawa81:

although all these study is not well conducted, it at least show sign that emu oil help in hairloss.
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Bird_King:

Nizoral 1% should be enough.

Nizoral seem to be a weak anti-androgenic. in one early study, in reduce the sebaceous gland by 20% which might be the effect of anti-androgenic.

ketoconazole the ingredient in nizoral is the inhibition of sterol 14-a-dimethylase, a microsomal cytochrome P450-dependent enzyme system. Ketoconazole thus impairs the biosynthesis of ergosterol, which is one of the essential steps in the synthesis of testosterone and, subsequently, DHT. DHT is the culprit that initiates the chain of events resulting in atrophy of the hair follicles when it attaches to the androgen receptor sites on the hair follicle.

 

[Isopropyl]

louisliao:

you got your fact wrong. DHT does not produce any type of androgens. DHT is the product of testosterone and type II 5α-reductase isoenzyme. DHT might not be the main cause of hairloss but it is believe to set off a chain of event that lead to thinning of hair.

propecia does not regulate hormones. it only inhibit type II 5a-reductase isoenzyme to prevent the formation of DHT. DHT and type II 5a-reductase have no use in the body after puberty. although type I 5a-reductase is still found in the brain therefore the use of Avodart might cause side-effect so call "brain fog" in some. of course, this is not proven.

Nizoral in real life do very little for hair loss and you might be a lucky responder to it. same as propecia, minoxidil etc as human balding is a very very complex chain of event to be stop by a single treatment unless you are lucky.

not to say you are wrong, but it is impossible to know whether a product work or not by "miss a cycle". when your hair drop today, normally it affected by event few weeks ago. unless you are talking about infection.

below is a good explaination on how complex hair loss is and other information. anyone who is interested can give it a go.
link

 

[louisliao]

louisliao:

you got your fact wrong. DHT does not produce any type of androgens. DHT is the product of testosterone and type II 5α-reductase isoenzyme. DHT might not be the main cause of hairloss but it is believe to set off a chain of event that lead to thinning of hair.

propecia does not regulate hormones. it only inhibit type II 5a-reductase isoenzyme to prevent the formation of DHT. DHT and type II 5a-reductase have no use in the body after puberty. although type I 5a-reductase is still found in the brain therefore the use of Avodart might cause side-effect so call "brain fog" in some. of course, this is not proven.

Nizoral in real life do very little for hair loss and you might be a lucky responder to it. same as propecia, minoxidil etc as human balding is a very very complex chain of event to be stop by a single treatment unless you are lucky.

not to say you are wrong, but it is impossible to know whether a product work or not by "miss a cycle". when your hair drop today, normally it affected by event few weeks ago. unless you are talking about infection.

below is a good explaination on how complex hair loss is and other information. anyone who is interested can give it a go.
link

i have to admit i haven't done many serious studies on the technicalities of balding, just merely quoting off what ppl wrote on the net..

i only searched more intensively on DHT (i believe its a male hormone? i could be wrong) because i ever thought of using anti-DHT propecia/finasteride at one stage until i read more about DHT at answers.com :

"DHT is produced by males in utero and is responsible for the formation of male gender specific characteristics. DHT is also an important contributor to other characteristics generally attributed to males, including muscular growth, facial and body hair growth, and deepening of the voice."

thus my general impression was that most oral medication deals with hormone regulation and topical usually tackles the androgenic bit..

as for my experiment with nizoral 1%, i think i need to do alittle qualification on its limitations.. i was its only subject it was a fairly short one of 4 months varying type of nizoral, from 2% initially then to 1%.. the 2% convinced me that nizoral does work.. and so with the 1% i had to find the right dosage and frequency.. i have since stopped my records a week ago when i achieved negligible detectable hairloss in the range of 8-15 strands for 2 weeks straight..

i documented my hair loss based on the amount of hair loss in the showers (the sinkhole is of a finer build so it traps more hair.. technically a bad design if not for my balding condition haha) as well as hair strands found on my bed (i use a lighter shade of beddings so its easier for me to count).. i also take into account if i was down with diarrhea, flu or cough as well as intensity of my fitness program i.e. weights and jogs, and male oriented recreation.. i am glad to say that the only thing affecting hairloss was the onset of an illness

anyway, i believe each individual's DHT production is different maybe due to diet, lifestyle, sleeping habits etc? hence logically the dosage requriements as well as frequency of treatment for nizoral..

as for my success with minoxidil, i have to qualify that i am at a rather early stage of a receding hairline.. so the follicles at the then bald area might not have been totally killed off by the androgens which might account for the 'miracle'... i would say about 3 square cm each side at the parting.. now i have 6 square cm baby hair turf

 

[Bird_King]

i suggest you use 1%.. cuz 2% imho is too harsh for treating hairloss which i believe you need to use on a more regular basis.. i.e. once a day, 3-4 mins per application

the way nizoral works is that its an anti-androgenic shampoo.. the DHT in your body does not destroy your follicles.. its the androgens (produced by the DHT) thats eating away your crown of glory..

and yes.. it is manufactured and priced for fighting dandruff and that might not be such a bad thing.. but if it were priced for preventing hair loss, can you imagine how much it would cost in the market??

i hope that day never arrives

add : i also used nizoral to treat fungi growth on my feet.. after 1 week.. all gone.. a testament to its ability to wipe out fungi-induced dandruff

tks for the info.....i'm now using schwarzkopf hair loss products....
smells great, hope they work well too......
can't decide if i want to switch to using nizoral shampoo.....
Haiz....

 

[Bird_King]

By the way, Nizoral shampoo users of 1% or 2%.....how often do you use it in a week?
Then on days that you don't use nizoral shampoo? What do you use?
I hear from people that one should always stick to a brand of shampoo.....don't use brand X one day, brand Y another day, and brand Z on the third.....
how true is this??

 

[Bird_King]

..........anti-androgen would be nizoral shampoo/cream (others? i am not aware) which deactivates the androgens at the scalp.. its a just-in-time solution to hair loss and one missed cycle would guarantee a day's loss of hair

Just to check with you, nizoral shampoo isn't suppose to be used everyday right??

 

[Bird_King]

..........Nizoral in real life do very little for hair loss and you might be a lucky responder to it. same as propecia, minoxidil etc as human balding is a very very complex chain of event to be stop by a single treatment unless you are lucky.

So do you think Nizoral shampoo works for hair loss???
Or like you say, it depends on the individual?

 

[louisliao]

Just to check with you, nizoral shampoo isn't suppose to be used everyday right??

yup.. the official recommended dosage for nizoral 1% is twice a week.. and since it is instructions are to shampoo, leave for 3mins, rinse and repeat, it would make it a total of 4 doses per week.. now this is for combatting dandruff due to fungi

what i am doing is once a day, single application for a total of 7 doses per week..

i dont follow the recommended usage because i'm not using it as an anti-dandruff shampoo

of course, using nizoral 1% at 7 doses per week is totally at your own discretion; i cannot claim responsibililty for any adverse effect esp if you are sensitive to nizoral..

but so far, i believe there are few cases of overdosage (except accidental ingestion) and the fact that 1% is sold over the counter gives me the confidence that it is relatively save to use as compared to other controlled pharmaceutical medication

 

[wawa81]

you need to know that there are 2 main concerns in combatting a bald head..

i) hair loss

ii) hair growth

if you do not arrest your hair loss, no matter how good your hair growth formula is, in the end, you will still lose it all.. there are a number of products you can use to stop hair loss.. they are either anti-DHT or anti-androgenic..

Yup i understand this logic, this also apply when going to transplant

but i noticed my crown scalp is red-dish color, so i assume tat it's imflammation
therefore, going to try my luck use Emu Oil

btw, can i get Emu oil from nature farm? ever heard of emu shampoo?

 

[Asymtope]

I used Nizoral twice a day.

Morning when I wake up, I will shampoo my head as my scalp is quite oily.
In the evening, after a day's activity, I will shampoo again. Now my treatment is propecia + Nizoral. I notice there's not much hair growth.

I have ordered Revivogen shampoo + scalp treatment. It's been 3 weeks. Until now I have not received the package. I shouldn't have used vpost for cheaper postage option. Revivogen used DHL for speedy delivery

 

[louisliao]

I used Nizoral twice a day.

Morning when I wake up, I will shampoo my head as my scalp is quite oily.
In the evening, after a day's activity, I will shampoo again. Now my treatment is propecia + Nizoral. I notice there's not much hair growth.

I have ordered Revivogen shampoo + scalp treatment. It's been 3 weeks. Until now I have not received the package. I shouldn't have used vpost for cheaper postage option. Revivogen used DHL for speedy delivery

i believe both propecia and nizoral only combats hairloss? propecia being anti-DHT and nizoral at the androgen receptors of the hair folliciles? i dont think either are hair growth stimulants so i dont think you will see any significant, accelerated hair growth..

the only hair growth stimulant i know of is minoxidil.. maybe some forummers here know of other hair growth stimulants approved by the FDA?

add: i just checked up on revivogen.. i believe its also an anti-DHT hair loss shampoo so i dont think you will get your hair growth from this product.. i dont know what the scalp treatment does.. maybe nourish your scalp? btw i hope you are not using nizoral 2%.. twice a day.. wow..

 

[Asymtope]

finally my revivogen package is here after 3-4 weeks.
I will post update one mth later.

louisliao, I'm using Nizoral 1%, but i think it will change to twice weekly since I trying out revivogen shampoo. I wonder why Nizoral shampoo bottle shrinks and its price increases. Can't find a bigger bottle of Nizoral. Strangly, though Nizoral is an anti dandruff shampoo, I still suffer from dandruff problem. Maybe Nizoral makes my hair and scalp dry.

 

[Asymtope]

tks for the info.....i'm now using schwarzkopf hair loss products....
smells great, hope they work well too......
can't decide if i want to switch to using nizoral shampoo.....
Haiz....

switch to nizoral better
We always heard comments that Nizoral aids in reducing hair loss but seldom schwarzkopf