Thinning Hair problem

[Spartanz.]

ur herbal treatment how much

pcw+1

7k++ ..n0t cheap..but i do see improvements after my contract ends

m still going there but 2x per mth for maintainance or at least slow down the hairfall

 

[Spartanz.]

I believe all of our points are valid but is individual.

I myself experience lower libido and erection 4 months after consuming Proscar. Yes, my hair have regrowth. During a period, i did notice that i tend to forget stuffs easily. In a case, i also notice my mood swings in a way i doesn't worry or care about much things. But at night i often sleep better than ever. I tend not to worry about anything.

However, I does have friend who took propecia for more than a year, if it is truth he spoken, he did not experience any of the symptom but i notice no regrowth in him except maintaining the same amount of hair.

To conclude, it really depend on individual. Some like me take a shorter time to effect while some took more than a year to realise.

tbh, to be able to grow back hair just by taking a pill a day is tempting for me , i am thinking to combine propecia with some hair trtment but i dono if i should sacrifice health over hair

damn unluucky for me at age 23 to exp hair loss while majority r thinking how to dye/style their hair

 

[Constantine]

tbh, to be able to grow back hair just by taking a pill a day is tempting for me , i am thinking to combine propecia with some hair trtment but i dono if i should sacrifice health over hair

damn unluucky for me at age 23 to exp hair loss while majority r thinking how to dye/style their hair

How bad is your hair condition now?
Any balding patches seen now?

 

[Spartanz.]

How bad is your hair condition now?
Any balding patches seen now?

patch ya but can be covered up with a hairstyle, but its obvious under strong light

 

[ChaeYeon]

patch ya but can be covered up with a hairstyle, but its obvious under strong light

sian lah. we dun have good genes , can only lan lan suck thumb

 

[chikuma]

of course it counts.

Lemme count for you.
One day it used to be say 1.5 times average.

Now is avg 3.5 days then *** once.

You should had *** 5.25 times in the 3.5 days normally but now reduced to 1x only.

Your potency level has effectively reduced by 525%.
Better see a kkj doctor.

Is *** 1.5 times a day normal? I think it is excessive man. Twice a week doesn't sound too infrequent either. Anyway, maybe you are just growing older - more things to do and less time to idle. I think many people *** excessively because they have nothing better to do.

 

[kenneth27]

2 boxes of Proscar (5MG) from Merck for sales

Kindly pvt if interested

 

[chikuma]

do u all feel sad when your friends all full of hair , while yours is already balding liao

Not sad... maybe just a bit of envy. You could feel depressed because you are balding but you should feel happy for your friends who are not. Anyway, most people have some hair problems one way or another. Just because they don't show to you doesn't mean they don't exist. For all you know, they are more informed and started their defense much earlier. The moral is - don't compare la. Do what you are willing to and accept the outcome and live happy.

 

[chikuma]

hi so u are still taking propecia , despite the side effects?

what side effects u experienced?

I started taking finesteride in Jan, just over a month now. Initial side effects were loss of libido, groin pain and less pimples. Not sure if the last one was due to fin or something else but I will take it anyway. The libido is back almost fully, I feel. Groin pain is still on/off.

I bought a pack of MSD proscar in Jan. 30 pills per box should last about 4 months by cutting into 5 pieces. I will finish this pack before deciding deciding if I want to carry on. I'm on minoxidil and using nizoral as well - all my regime started Jan. If I feel I'm getting positive response by then, I will probably cut down my finisteride intake, maybe to 0.5mg per day (or even lower) rather than the standard 1mg today.

Personally, I feel that minox is the one to persist with in the long run. I experienced some initial shedding for 1-2 weeks but it seems to have stabilized now. At the 3-4 month mark, I should know if the effort is worthwhile. I'm seeing some obvious hair growth along the hairline but can't be sure if they are just normal growth since I have never really observed in the past and I don't exactly have a bald patch yet - just general thinning on the vertex.

 

[Constantine]

Anyone knows where can i get Toppik or any hair concealer spray that can cover the bald patches in singapore?

 

[kenneth27]

Don't over stress yourself Constantine. Taking pills daily is already a stress. Imagine if you have to spray concealer everyday before getting out of your house? The aunties and uncle who have bald patches was never worry about how their friends and family look at them.

Anyone knows where can i get Toppik or any hair concealer spray that can cover the bald patches in singapore?

 

[chikuma]

hmm hello , nizoral after i used it , my hair feel very dry.

did u apply conditioner and re rinse again?

No, I don't use conditioner. It softens the hair and makes it limp and exposes my thinning hair more. But I also don't particularly feel my hair being too dry after starting on nizoral.

 

[unwanted]

Say no to impotency by saying no to finesteride.
There's a new drug call minoxide 15%. I actually been using Rogaine foam.

It's way stronger than Rogaine by 3X. Apply only once a day, and it's not sticky, so you can still style your hair easily.
After 1 mth of application, not only the crown, i can actually see my receded hairline growing back.
But it's not cheap. that's the problem

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Minoxidil-15...ltDomain_0?hash=item2a0511ac38#ht_5790wt_1165

 

[Isopropyl]

Say no to impotency by saying no to finesteride.
There's a new drug call minoxide 15%. I actually been using Rogaine foam.

It's way stronger than Rogaine by 3X. Apply only once a day, and it's not sticky, so you can still style your hair easily.
After 1 mth of application, not only the crown, i can actually see my receded hairline growing back.
But it's not cheap. that's the problem

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Minoxidil-15...ltDomain_0?hash=item2a0511ac38#ht_5790wt_1165

whether min 15% is better is very subjective. there is simply no evident and review online is very mix. min 15% have been out in the market for very long. i spare the details here on why min 15% might not be better. and what make you think it suppose to be better then min 5% 3times per day?

other then not cheap there is another major problem. min does nothing to the fundamental process of MPB. therefore, the damage is on going. min just mainly off-set your hairloss. something like a biological toppik. and i like to say first, no!!! azelaic acid does jazz for blocking DHT before we get into it.

so sadly, even if min 15% is way better then standard min 5% if that is even true, when the damage from DHT caught up, all you min 15% gain will be gone.

 

[unwanted]

whether min 15% is better is very subjective. there is simply no evident and review online is very mix. min 15% have been out in the market for very long. i spare the details here on why min 15% might not be better. and what make you think it suppose to be better then min 5% 3times per day?

other then not cheap there is another major problem. min does nothing to the fundamental process of MPB. therefore, the damage is on going. min just mainly off-set your hairloss. something like a biological toppik. and i like to say first, no!!! azelaic acid does jazz for blocking DHT before we get into it.

so sadly, even if min 15% is way better then standard min 5% if that is even true, when the damage from DHT caught up, all you min 15% gain will be gone.

First of all, there's no solution in the market that eliminates MPB or any form of hairloss.
If it's such a solution you are looking for, i'm afraid there's nothing you can resort to.

What that can be possible, is reduce the process or if it's possible, offer some regrowth.

In the market now, there's only 2 solutions that had been proven to work.
1 is finesteride which has a long list of unpleasant and highly possible permanant damage.
The other is minoxide.

As mentioned in many pages earlier, i am highly against using finesteride since it can cause serious permanent impotency.
Though not as quick to seeing any effects by not altering the body in any bold way, i'm using a combined approach of using good shampoo + conditioner + tonics which works as well or even better.
Which was highly recommended by a plastic surgeon specialised in hair transplant.

What i'm using is:
Revita Shampoo from DS labs
Nioxin's conditioner
Rogaine Foam 5%

To be honest, it was good enough to halt the process and slowly put it in control.
I was not exactly sure which was the ingredient that works best.

Minoxidil's 15% actually not suppose to be sold over the counter, i got it from my clinic in UK before returning for CNY.

Why i swapped over to Minoxidil's 15% and decide not to turn back?
i) Better and faster results
It took me 3 months for 5% to see results and after that nothin much grew back anymore.
It took me 20+ days for 15% to see results, and it grew beyond what the 5% could.

Minoxidil is suppose to be for the crown to curb MPB. The reason why i'm astonished, is because my front hairline actually grew back which the foam could not. And the ones that came out, are thick like my eyebrown. I can't see the top area, but my wife said the "hole" not so visible"

Beside my eye brown those fine hair, i think it's in contact with the chemical, even those fine "hair" are turning darker and thicker as well. So i'm very sure it works much better than the rogaine foam i used to use.


ii) Easier to apply.
The dropper can help you apply straight to the scalp. And it's absorbed quickly. Minoxidil due to it's alcohol content, is actually bad for the hair. It will dry your hair badly and damage it.
If you are using Rogaine's foam, it will burst out and spread out without control. Most likely it will hit your hair more than your scalp which is pretty lame.

iii) Styling
The foam has a sticky effect on your hair. First of all because it's sticky, your hair will clump together and you will look more bald like an idiot if you get what i mean.
If you are using any other styling products like wax and such, the sticky minoxidil will make it hard to style it properly. In fact it's so stiff i don't even need to use other wax. lol

iv) Pricing
Ironically though it's much more expensive per bottle, but it works out to be almost the same for usage per month.

Rogaine 5% foam 60ml you have to apply twice a day.
Minoxidil 15% 60ml only once per day.

So meaning if the rogaine can last you for a month, the 15% can last you two months.
But honestly, the rogaine because it's hard to apply, can only last me half a month a bottle.

If we break down the prices
Rogaine foam 5%
3 bottles for 3 month's use at US$44
Meaning 1 month cost you US$14.67

Minoxidil 15
1 bottle for 2 month's use at US$35.72
Meaning 1 month cost you US$17.86

Marking a difference of US$3.20.

A little more, but alot more effective as well.
Most importantly, SAVED ME ALOT OF TIME and time to me is money.

If you are young, it's better to regrow your hair and keep your follicles alive as early as long as possible. Cause if it's dead for few years, they will never be able to revive anymore no matter what possible better drugs they can come out with.

My routine everday.

Though i seems to use alot of things, actually. It doesn't really alter my life style much.

At night, i shampoo to clean away my hair wax.
I leave the shampoo in scalp for a while.

Then i use Nioxin conditioner, it's the only conditioner that i know that works for the scalp and should be directly applied to it. It's said to preserve the scalp.

After all done, i apply minoxidil for the night.

In the morning, i lightly shampoo then wax my hair to work again.

Hope this approaches can shed some new light to some of you guys.

I'm 30+ btw.
My baldness started when i was 18.
So you can imagine how bad it was but lucky i stopped it from getting worst.

Now i'm normally said to be looking like a mid 20s guy.
I had never taken finesteride.

If i add it to my routine, i think i will look like a young teenager

 

[Isopropyl]

unwanted:

i don't think i mention anything about anything abt "eliminates MPB"? Anyway that a comprehensive post you have there but i just stick to min 15% for now

i am quite puzzle but can you please explain the result you see after 20 over days? physiologically it will be hard to notice anything after just 20days or so considering the grow rate of hair. with all respect but i will certainly take it with a pinch of salt with anecdotal evidence.

no arugment for dropper being a much better way to apply minoxidil. but what you can do with the foam is spray it in the cap until half filled and wait for it to melt. then you can use a dropper to apply it too. that what i do when i tried the foam before. just for your information, there are a lot of suggestion and evidence that the plain old minoxidil 5% is better than the foam. maybe that why pfizer withhold the result in the beginning of rogaine foam release.

so back to the min 15% VS 5%. there are quite a number of things to consider but i just stick to the main 2. firstly we need to understand our scalp can only hold that much of minoxidil. i not at home and don't have the study at hand now. but roughly remember that a study that show min 3% almost saturated the scalp to 100%. i will think that with 5%, more or less that all our scalp can "hold". So i don't see any explanation further increase of min onto the scalp will do anything more. it not reasonable and make no sense.

secondly we need to consider the vehical use. for 5%, normally we are using propylene glycol while 15% is glycerin as base. there is a study i read before properly done by Pfizer show that propylene glycol penertrate the skin better then glycerin. so we can't assume that although it 15% VS 5% the deilivery is exactly equal. that bring another concern. normally for 15% it have a much high alcohol content. a study have show up to 90% alcohol show greatest rate of delivery through the skin. but still, alcohol and water evapourate so fast and it the 3rd vehical that remain on the scalp for hours. this is to be consider as well.

and i have not got into things like propylene glycol have being suggested to be responsiblity for up to 50% of the hair grow effect suggested by some big name in hair loss arena like Dr. Proctor. Diminishing return effect is also to be consider for min. 5% is 150% more minoxidil then 2% version yet it only about 30% better result? Dimishing return in effect? something to consider for anything higher strength is better mindset.

i not blasting that 15% does not work. saying it work better then plain old 5% min, is not a fact yet. of course i do consider the possiblilty that it does work better for some folk since there are anecdotal evidence that suggest this. still, it not the gospel truth for me yet. i sticking to my min 5% for the time being

 

[unwanted]

unwanted:

i don't think i mention anything about anything abt "eliminates MPB"? Anyway that a comprehensive post you have there but i just stick to min 15% for now

i am quite puzzle but can you please explain the result you see after 20 over days? physiologically it will be hard to notice anything after just 20days or so considering the grow rate of hair. with all respect but i will certainly take it with a pinch of salt with anecdotal evidence.

no arugment for dropper being a much better way to apply minoxidil. but what you can do with the foam is spray it in the cap until half filled and wait for it to melt. then you can use a dropper to apply it too. that what i do when i tried the foam before. just for your information, there are a lot of suggestion and evidence that the plain old minoxidil 5% is better than the foam. maybe that why pfizer withhold the result in the beginning of rogaine foam release.

so back to the min 15% VS 5%. there are quite a number of things to consider but i just stick to the main 2. firstly we need to understand our scalp can only hold that much of minoxidil. i not at home and don't have the study at hand now. but roughly remember that a study that show min 3% almost saturated the scalp to 100%. i will think that with 5%, more or less that all our scalp can "hold". So i don't see any explanation further increase of min onto the scalp will do anything more. it not reasonable and make no sense.

secondly we need to consider the vehical use. for 5%, normally we are using propylene glycol while 15% is glycerin as base. there is a study i read before properly done by Pfizer show that propylene glycol penertrate the skin better then glycerin. so we can't assume that although it 15% VS 5% the deilivery is exactly equal. that bring another concern. normally for 15% it have a much high alcohol content. a study have show up to 90% alcohol show greatest rate of delivery through the skin. but still, alcohol and water evapourate so fast and it the 3rd vehical that remain on the scalp for hours. this is to be consider as well.

and i have not got into things like propylene glycol have being suggested to be responsiblity for up to 50% of the hair grow effect suggested by some big name in hair loss arena like Dr. Proctor. Diminishing return effect is also to be consider for min. 5% is 150% more minoxidil then 2% version yet it only about 30% better result? Dimishing return in effect? something to consider for anything higher strength is better mindset.

i not blasting that 15% does not work. saying it work better then plain old 5% min, is not a fact yet. of course i do consider the possiblilty that it does work better for some folk since there are anecdotal evidence that suggest this. still, it not the gospel truth for me yet. i sticking to my min 5% for the time being

Hmm..
I find it hard to explain to you because the hair is growing on my head now.
There are other reviews online from users from amazon,etc for you to do study if you like to do so.

I can't dismiss this is illusion i'm seeing or do i intend to plug out one of these "still in eye brown length hair" to show you the revived follicles are actually rather thick.
Nor did i took any picture of my forehead while using 5% to give you "strong evidential" proof.

Anyway, up to anyone to use it as a new option.
I'm very happy with the miraculous result.

Also this is worth the read about 15%
http://www.minoxidil.com/subpages/faqs/faq_xandrox_15.html
The webbie has actually quite many interesting reads dismiss many myths about hairloss.



Just stay away from finesteride. That's a definite no.

 

[racerguy]

Btw how do u tell if u have hair loss?


I mean it's not obvious but u know telling if it's gradual.

For me i seem to have holes in my fringe.

The temple area seems to have holes there no hair, is this normal?

 

[Isopropyl]

Btw how do u tell if u have hair loss?


I mean it's not obvious but u know telling if it's gradual.

For me i seem to have holes in my fringe.

The temple area seems to have holes there no hair, is this normal?

try to look for hair with lighten pigmentation the thickness then the surrrounding hair. MPB is grudual and it getting thinning and less colour over time compare to healthy hair. another sure tell sign is someone telling you, you are lossing your hair. by then, it pretty obvious.

 

[Isopropyl]

Hmm..
I find it hard to explain to you because the hair is growing on my head now.
There are other reviews online from users from amazon,etc for you to do study if you like to do so.

I can't dismiss this is illusion i'm seeing or do i intend to plug out one of these "still in eye brown length hair" to show you the revived follicles are actually rather thick.
Nor did i took any picture of my forehead while using 5% to give you "strong evidential" proof.

Anyway, up to anyone to use it as a new option.
I'm very happy with the miraculous result.

Also this is worth the read about 15%
http://www.minoxidil.com/subpages/faqs/faq_xandrox_15.html
The webbie has actually quite many interesting reads dismiss many myths about hairloss.



Just stay away from finesteride. That's a definite no.

hi, try the link below. lots of reviews o xandrow 15% plus. Personally, i not too much of a fan for Dr. Lee as sometime, the explanation he gave is pretty corny at best. but i do order staff from him here and there.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=48035