Understanding NS liability for PRs

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This post indicate a strong degree of influence by the PAP Government's propaganda.

Two questions.

First, how does PR-ship solve our population problem. Especially from a PR-couple in their 11th year?

Second, have it occur to you that if the PAP had not actively intervene in the population policies, adding unnecessary FTs' stresses, Singaporeans may just have naturally re-populate like some other aging-populations around the world?

if you think you're smart enough dictate singapore's immigration or population policies, please do not waste time talking to me. I am a nobody, nor do I claim to know what is best for the country.

please go campaign for the worker's party or whatever you fancy during the next election if you hate the PAP so much, or go petition your minister.
 

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if you think you're smart enough dictate singapore's immigration or population policies, please do not waste time talking to me. I am a nobody, nor do I claim to know what is best for the country.

please go campaign for the worker's party or whatever you fancy during the next election if you hate the PAP so much, or go petition your minister.
If I don't care enough to question the higher mortals on why they allow loopholes like the ones ts raised to exist, no one else should be allowed to question them, in a forum/informal setting. If they do, they must be stupid. And seeing them raise questions I'm not interested in peeves me off.
Is this how your thought process functions?

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read this thread realize edmwers' IQ/EQ very low...

dunwant to help people never mind, give a lot of false information.

u think PR good, then go and apply PR loh... go and talk to actual PR before u kaopeh...

some can't do NS cos their motherland got some rule cannot serve other countries' NS and shiat.... do riao, their motherland cut them. Do or no do NS, also will get cut.

U ask urself if u other countries PR and ask to choose, which side u will cut... :s22:

Why apply PR if you don't intent to cut off? If i go apply Aust PR it's because i wanna be a citizen..
 

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If I don't care enough to question the higher mortals on why they allow loopholes like the ones ts raised to exist, no one else should be allowed to question them, in a forum/informal setting. If they do, they must be stupid. And seeing them raise questions I'm not interested in peeves me off.
Is this how your thought process functions?

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they can question them. However, I am not the correct person for them to question. I have, in no reply, claimed to know what is best. I only suggested that the country's immigration policy might be the problem, or some other root cause.

thus talking to me has no benefit. If they wanted to actually have an impact, they should question someone else of more authority or knowledge on the matter.
 

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read this thread realize edmwers' IQ/EQ very low...

dunwant to help people never mind, give a lot of false information.

u think PR good, then go and apply PR loh... go and talk to actual PR before u kaopeh...

some can't do NS cos their motherland got some rule cannot serve other countries' NS and shiat.... do riao, their motherland cut them. Do or no do NS, also will get cut.

U ask urself if u other countries PR and ask to choose, which side u will cut... :s22:
Can sic which country got such rules? I personally suaku never hear before.

For me citizenship means something, it's a pledge of allegiance to a country. PRship is secondary to the citizenship function ie it may be a transitional status I obtain while waiting to convert (allegiance to new nation) or it may signify a close tie I have with the host nation if I don't intend to convert (allegiance to home nation). When in conflict, no such nonsense as hard to choose, the country that you have allegiance to will take precedent.
Simple as that. What's so hard to choose unless one truly believes they are ******* special and deserves to have their cake and eat it?

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they can question them. However, I am not the correct person for them to question. I have, in no reply, claimed to know what is best. I only suggested that the country's immigration policy might be the problem, or some other root cause.

thus talking to me has no benefit. If they wanted to actually have an impact, they should question someone else of more authority or knowledge on the matter.
You do realize he didn't pm you, so he is not just directing his replies to you but through you as a personification of a certain thought pattern, he is bouncing ideas off you.
Some times talking in a forum is for clarifying thoughts and to interact with others plus review own thought process.
If u have no answer to his q, just leave it, need to tell him he is not smart enough?

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You do realize he didn't pm you, so he is not just directing his replies to you but through you as a personification of a certain thought pattern, he is bouncing ideas off you.
Some times talking in a forum is for clarifying thoughts and to interact with others plus review own thought process.
If u have no answer to his q, just leave it, need to tell him he is not smart enough?

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you realize, that I did not say he was not smart enough. If anyone wasn't smart, it is me, because I have never suggested that I knew the solution to the problem.

if anyone thought he was smart, it would be him, because he obviously thinks he knows better than me, which is entirely possible.

however, sad to say, I do not set the immigration policy, so talking to me has absolutely no benefit. Furthermore, while he poses questions, he does not offer any solution of his own to the problem.
 

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Hi TS, do a quick search on google and read on the immigration and PR law.

Anyway, I've read it before.

It's stated that if you renounce PR or citizenship, you cannot come back to work, live or study. Only for leisure. And if you renounce when called for to serve, it is considered an act of treason and your child will be arrested and charged under martial law.

So best advice is, if you want him to have this PR, be prepared to have him serve or he will forever not be able to be anything more than a tourist here. Alternatively, just don't apply for a PR and everything will be okay.
 

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In case you are not aware of current trend in the property market, I just wanna tell you this one hard truth:

Ever since that 3 years PR rule buy hdb flat comes out, hdb resale price has been steadily move downwards.
You may argue that private properties price also went down, yes, but to a different magnitude. Hdb are badly affected.
All hdb sellers curse this new hdb rule.

Back to the subsiDize housing part, most of Malaysian Chinese don get subsidized housing from government. Hong Kong and China the same, subsidized housing only mean for those poor people. And what they mean by poor? Bottom 15 % - 20 %.

In Singapore,,subsidized housing( resale hdb) is almost for everyone. And there is option of cheap BTO. Given small size of singapore, the government really do a very good job to ensure proper housing for their people.

You look at hongkong, what happened to them? Most of the newer generation need to rent house coz there isn't bto option for them. They are forced to buy overly priced private properties.

So are you trying to be like Khaw Boon Wan - denying the fact that PRs' purchase of HDBs drove up prices to high levels in the last five years?
 

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In contrast to what you think, I have plan to convert, but not now. Maybe after I get married and really settle down in Singapore.

And for your information, there is a limit on how many people they allowed to stay in hdb. If you see there are 20 people in 1 hdb flat, you should report them to hdb.

To be eligible for a BTO?
 

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if you think you're smart enough dictate singapore's immigration or population policies, please do not waste time talking to me. I am a nobody, nor do I claim to know what is best for the country.

please go campaign for the worker's party or whatever you fancy during the next election if you hate the PAP so much, or go petition your minister.

Let me narrow down the statement you made for clarity:

it will not solve the root of the problem - that being our nation's immigration policy, or perhaps our low birth rate which necessitates the use of large numbers of FT.

This is propaganda - the solution to SG's low birthrate is to import in a large numbers of FTs.

Will the additional 100k new citizens per year not grow old?

30-40 years down the road, these batch of new citizens will get old and create even a bigger problem and burden to your kids and the next generation; not to mention the tons of socio-cultural disunity that will seriously undermine SG's unity and social fabric along the way.

Why does LHL not take the longer-term hit of taking the time and effort to develop and cultivate Singaporeans to a world-class skill level?

Why does he choose to take the myopic and quick 'plug-and-play' solution of allowing more FTs year after year?

So the possible solution?

Yes, immigration of the global brightest is part of it; but not the mediocre ones who could barely make it anywhere else in the world. Reject definitely the likes of Yang Yin and Nisha etc.

Next, lower the cost of living - such that the average young couple will not feel the financial stresses - of owing a home, affording children and their education as well as needing to take care of their parents' needs financially.

If a young couple could knock off work by 6pm and need not worry about the finances of paying off their 30-year HBD loan and parents' medical/living expenses, the additional leisure time on hand would naturally be spent pro-creating like bunnies.

Problem with the PAP Government under LHL is that besides having everything cost-based; he adds and passes on Government's part of the cost to the people, whilst allowing foreigners to free-load.

What are these 'Government Cost'? Let's list some:

Land-cost for HDBs ~ just ask how much does the land originally cost the Government;

$1billion taxpayers' dollars on buses for transport companies owned by Temasek;

National security cost ~ who perform national service, how much does those NS manpower cost? are they paid the market rate for labour cost for their time/effort spent?;

Does FTs pay a proportionately higher taxes for NOT needing to perform NS whilst enjoying the security blanket every night when Singaporean sons stood post?
 
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In contrast to what you think, I have plan to convert, but not now. Maybe after I get married and really settle down in Singapore.

And for your information, there is a limit on how many people they allowed to stay in hdb. If you see there are 20 people in 1 hdb flat, you should report them to hdb.

yah you plan to convert ....after that be liability age

fk off
 

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Time to vote in more and more opposition to scrutinize these FT policies.
 

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anyone knows wherher the $30k security deposit has changed across the years?
 
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