Understanding NS liability for PRs

[Vitus213]

You have the fooking guts to post and ask here. Well done mate do you even have some EQ and pride ? The question you are asking is like "Bro can i know where is the safe in your house and how to break it so i can steal your crap ? "

 

[gtwace]

Why TS so stupiak never go back home country to give birth ? Should get foreign citizenship for your baby

 

[chekchek]

Why not u chop ur son kkj? Problem solve!

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[nyvrem]

Why TS so stupiak never go back home country to give birth ? Should get foreign citizenship for your baby

i think TS's kid was born overseas hence the kid got SG PR lah. all kids born in SG ish auto citizen once you register mah.

 

[Rhapsodyx]

**** you foreign PR shyt. Hope your son or family die in accident in singapore

 

[Asphodeli]

Give up PR after spending 15 years here is a one-way ticket...you and your wife are already PR, you sure the trouble you're going to go through is worth renouncing the PR? Think wisely...

 

[stillgottheblues]

If he can study type remain as PR and get free education, If he cannot then leave the country.

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[CoricopatXu]

Can you shut up and eat your sh1t??

 

[LaughingKor]

Just **** off from Singapore la ts

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[camoguysg]

Notch simpur thread

 

[Scared-Stiff]

People like you really wtf man. You only want the benefits of a PR/citizenship status but yet don't want the responsibilities. If you don't want to let your kids serve NS, why bother taking up PR status and free ride the economy.

But I as a human also understand where you are coming from so if you are trying to help your child evade NS, I have the following email template prepared for you.

Please contact email and use my email template below. (Please copy the entire template verbatim but replace your edmw nickname with your actual name).

Dear ICA,

I am a freeloader. I applied for PR only for the benefits, such as government subsidies and to apply for flat. I have a son whom I want to evade NS when he is 18 years old. Please help me to cancel my PR and confiscate my flat so that my son don't need to serve NS,

Regards,

Scared-Stiff

I understand your viewpoint. I have two comments.

One: This question is not for me, it is for my baby. Right now he is not of an age at which he can understand that I am accepting PR for him on his behalf. Therefore I want to fully understand what liabilities I AM PLACING ON HIM.

If the SG government were to tell me, for instance, that my accepting PR would mean I have to serve NS then as an adult I can make that decision. But for my baby it would be HIS TIME AND FREEDOMS that I have forsaken. So I must ask the question. To not ask is stupid!

Two: To live in a country and pay taxes sounds fair and right to me. I have no problems doing this. However NS is one step further. It is to defend that country with your life - presumably against some foreign power. Now there are two issues here:

a. A citizen would NATURALLY WANT to defend his or her country against foreign invaders as said country would probably comprise his family, his properties, his livelihood. NS for citizens makes sense because it is a collective approach to the individual natural want. But would a PR have that same natural want? A PR may have much of his family still in his natural land. What incentive does he have to defend, with his life, a foreign land?

b. If foreign invaders were from the same country as a PR then would a PR do his best to defend his country from the foreign invader?

 

[Paull33lampard]

My baby has got approval for his PR application. He will be obliged to do NS when the time comes.

Can anyone help answer the following:

Should he decide to give up his PR will the NS liability still remain?

That is, is there an age before which he must give up the PR in order to avoid NS liability, or is the liability enforced from birth?

I cannot seem to find any specifics on the ICA website. Also I cannot reach ICA by phone, number not working! :-/

Any help is much appreciated.

ICA / Government must be clear and firm in their PR policy. Come here for 5 years, take up citizenship or PR status revoked once and for all. If the parents are citizens, the baby will be citizen and serve NS...

 

[persocom01]

My baby has got approval for his PR application. He will be obliged to do NS when the time comes.

Can anyone help answer the following:

Should he decide to give up his PR will the NS liability still remain?

That is, is there an age before which he must give up the PR in order to avoid NS liability, or is the liability enforced from birth?

I cannot seem to find any specifics on the ICA website. Also I cannot reach ICA by phone, number not working! :-/

Any help is much appreciated.

his NS liability will not remain so long as he gives up his PR early enough. I believe it should be around age 16 or so.

however, once one has given up PR, should one decide to reapply for PR, the liability may return.

I am no expert, but this is the extent of what I know.

 

[lip_84]

In this case you should just reject his PR and not accepting any PR benefits e.g. education, medical, tax rebates. If you do want those benefits, please let your son go through NS because NS is a privilege. Thanks.

I understand your viewpoint. I have two comments.

One: This question is not for me, it is for my baby. Right now he is not of an age at which he can understand that I am accepting PR for him on his behalf. Therefore I want to fully understand what liabilities I AM PLACING ON HIM.

If the SG government were to tell me, for instance, that my accepting PR would mean I have to serve NS then as an adult I can make that decision. But for my baby it would be HIS TIME AND FREEDOMS that I have forsaken. So I must ask the question. To not ask is stupid!

Two: To live in a country and pay taxes sounds fair and right to me. I have no problems doing this. However NS is one step further. It is to defend that country with your life - presumably against some foreign power. Now there are two issues here:

a. A citizen would NATURALLY WANT to defend his or her country against foreign invaders as said country would probably comprise his family, his properties, his livelihood. NS for citizens makes sense because it is a collective approach to the individual natural want. But would a PR have that same natural want? A PR may have much of his family still in his natural land. What incentive does he have to defend, with his life, a foreign land?

b. If foreign invaders were from the same country as a PR then would a PR do his best to defend his country from the foreign invader?

 

[Some-one]

I understand your viewpoint. I have two comments.

One: This question is not for me, it is for my baby. Right now he is not of an age at which he can understand that I am accepting PR for him on his behalf. Therefore I want to fully understand what liabilities I AM PLACING ON HIM.

If the SG government were to tell me, for instance, that my accepting PR would mean I have to serve NS then as an adult I can make that decision. But for my baby it would be HIS TIME AND FREEDOMS that I have forsaken. So I must ask the question. To not ask is stupid!

Two: To live in a country and pay taxes sounds fair and right to me. I have no problems doing this. However NS is one step further. It is to defend that country with your life - presumably against some foreign power. Now there are two issues here:

a. A citizen would NATURALLY WANT to defend his or her country against foreign invaders as said country would probably comprise his family, his properties, his livelihood. NS for citizens makes sense because it is a collective approach to the individual natural want. But would a PR have that same natural want? A PR may have much of his family still in his natural land. What incentive does he have to defend, with his life, a foreign land?

b. If foreign invaders were from the same country as a PR then would a PR do his best to defend his country from the foreign invader?

Brace yourself for more attacks...TS sounds more like a troll to me...

 

[mocax]

ts ish revealed his plans to betray Singapore in times of war.... must get isd to monitor him....

 

[johnlzr]

I understand your viewpoint. I have two comments.

One: This question is not for me, it is for my baby. Right now he is not of an age at which he can understand that I am accepting PR for him on his behalf. Therefore I want to fully understand what liabilities I AM PLACING ON HIM.

If the SG government were to tell me, for instance, that my accepting PR would mean I have to serve NS then as an adult I can make that decision. But for my baby it would be HIS TIME AND FREEDOMS that I have forsaken. So I must ask the question. To not ask is stupid!

Two: To live in a country and pay taxes sounds fair and right to me. I have no problems doing this. However NS is one step further. It is to defend that country with your life - presumably against some foreign power. Now there are two issues here:

a. A citizen would NATURALLY WANT to defend his or her country against foreign invaders as said country would probably comprise his family, his properties, his livelihood. NS for citizens makes sense because it is a collective approach to the individual natural want. But would a PR have that same natural want? A PR may have much of his family still in his natural land. What incentive does he have to defend, with his life, a foreign land?

b. If foreign invaders were from the same country as a PR then would a PR do his best to defend his country from the foreign invader?

If you take on PR status, then you are already enjoying the benefits of a PR status and so will your child, who will enjoy subsidized education, hospitalization etc. The moment your child is born, he has already been enjoying the benefits of his PR status. What is fair is that he does his duties to his nation. Income tax is just one of those duties, the other one is national service. If everyone evades taxes, what will become of the country? Will we become like Greece who end up selling their islands and public assets to Germany? Similarly, if everyone evades NS, will Singapore end up giving up our sovereignty to a foreign country?

If you don't have what it takes to fulfill your national duty, don't even take up a PR in the first place. When you took up PR, all the facts were already presented. Nobody is hiding the fact that your child will have to serve NS. Now after taking PR status, you want to renege on the deal? That is intentionally breaking the contract that you have signed and is fraudulent.

I have tried to be very patient and tactful but it seems that only the words of my literate fellows in this forum will get you to understand. If you and your family cannot fulfill your national duties, just f**k off. Email ICA, tell them that you cannot fulfill your obligations as a Singaporean PR and just go back where you came from.

 

[Sofero]

This is machiam got long q at the toilet, then comes a scared-stiff bugger who is thinking, aiya dunno wanna pee or not, but i just go q and take up the cubicle first then say. If the time comes i no need to pee i just slap my butt and leave.

Diu lei, got ppl wanna lao sai liao u dun even know if you wanna pee go and take up the toilet cubicle for fun issit?

霸著茅坑不想拉屎，can **** off bo?!

 

[gnail80]

I understand your viewpoint. I have two comments.

One: This question is not for me, it is for my baby. Right now he is not of an age at which he can understand that I am accepting PR for him on his behalf. Therefore I want to fully understand what liabilities I AM PLACING ON HIM.

If the SG government were to tell me, for instance, that my accepting PR would mean I have to serve NS then as an adult I can make that decision. But for my baby it would be HIS TIME AND FREEDOMS that I have forsaken. So I must ask the question. To not ask is stupid!

Two: To live in a country and pay taxes sounds fair and right to me. I have no problems doing this. However NS is one step further. It is to defend that country with your life - presumably against some foreign power. Now there are two issues here:

a. A citizen would NATURALLY WANT to defend his or her country against foreign invaders as said country would probably comprise his family, his properties, his livelihood. NS for citizens makes sense because it is a collective approach to the individual natural want. But would a PR have that same natural want? A PR may have much of his family still in his natural land. What incentive does he have to defend, with his life, a foreign land?

b. If foreign invaders were from the same country as a PR then would a PR do his best to defend his country from the foreign invader?

Up for wanbao

 

[Scared-Stiff]

In this case you should just reject his PR and not accepting any PR benefits e.g. education, medical, tax rebates. If you do want those benefits, please let your son go through NS because NS is a privilege. Thanks.

I am weighing the pros and cons of the option of accepting. I do not KNOW if we will renounce PR. I only want to see the whole picture before deciding. No need to make assumptions.