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firstly thank you everyone for your feedback and suggestions. Im really loss for words on the detailed assistance provided for my questions. thx again!!

Sorry... I dont drive :( but most car rentals there allow u to return at lax. Ask the locals? :) Napa is a must go!! Do wine tastings if u have time.

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the thing is i plan to drive and drink drinking carries a heavy offence in US so thats my dilemma, probably have to put the bottles of wine in the boot:(:(

any winery that you have tried and would recommend?


What size car? Full size 2 weeks hertz at least usd$1k for different return location iirc

If u going antelope Canyon stay in page and can swing by monument valley if u not doing Death Valley.

Really depends on what you want to see if you should consider Death Valley.

hoping to find a cheaper car rental agency, probably a saloon car would be fine as its for 2 person. i guess 4WD is not required since its not in the winter period??

Not between SF and LA, but...



You might want to have a look at a map. Napa is two hours' drive north of SF; that's fine. Death Valley is eight hours east of San Francisco; South Rim GC is six hours east of Death Valley; and Antelope Canyon (not Antelope Valley, that's something different and much less interesting) is two hours east of the South Rim GC.

Here, I sketched out the route you're talking about in Google Maps. This is a solid week-and-a-half's touring right here.

You've got a couple of options:

1) Ditch Yosemite and Death Valley. Fly SF-Vegas; rent a car out of Vegas; do the Grand Canyon, Antelope Canyon, and maybe the Painted Desert and Meteor Crater since you're out that way. Drop the car back at Flagstaff or Las Vegas; fly from there to Los Angeles.

2) Drive SF-Yosemite-Death Valley-Vegas, and do the above-mentioned loop from there. Drive back from Antelope Canyon to Vegas, then to Palm Springs, then to Los Angeles and dump the car. This would be my preferred option, but it really depends how much you like driving, because this is nearly 3,000 kilometres. I love road trips, so I think this is a fantastic idea; my 70-something parents did basically the same trip in April of 2016, going even further into Colorado and New Mexico; but your mileage may vary.



Depends a lot on where you rent out of (SF is more expensive; Las Vegas is cheaper); and whether you do a loop or a one-way rental (one-way is a bit more expensive).

Avis is showing me $600 USD for a two-week rental, SFO-LAX one-way, of a Ford Fiesta hatchback; something with a bit more space is going to run you closer to $900 USD.

The same rentals out of Las Vegas as a loop (so dropping back to Vegas as well) are weirdly a bit more expensive: $50 cheaper for the hatchback, $50 more expensive for the larger cars. I have no idea why larger cars are more expensive out of Vegas, but there you go.

i think option 2 is a brilliant route! u reckon its gonna take 1.5 week? Should I cater more time to this trip? My entire trip is 21 days so minus the air travel I am left with 17days.

Planning to spend 2-3 days at SFO would this be too short? and say 1 day at the outlet near Palm spring haha.
 

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hoping to find a cheaper car rental agency, probably a saloon car would be fine as its for 2 person. i guess 4WD is not required since its not in the winter period??

Try searching on Travelocity.

Back in Sept, I had a large sedan from Alamo booked thru that portal for US$38/day(inclu. taxes) at Buffalo Niagara region. No issues checking in with foreign driving license but I did opt for the optional CDW so the final cost was higher though..
 

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Try searching on Travelocity.

Back in Sept, I had a large sedan from Alamo booked thru that portal for US$38/day(inclu. taxes) at Buffalo Niagara region. No issues checking in with foreign driving license but I did opt for the optional CDW so the final cost was higher though..

Itc those rates doesn't include insurance
Almo and dollar rates usually lower
 

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the thing is i plan to drive and drink drinking carries a heavy offence in US so thats my dilemma, probably have to put the bottles of wine in the boot:(:(
So you've got a few options here:

1) Appoint a designated driver, obviously.
2) Get your hotel to book a tour or a driver for you;
3) Cycle! You can technically still get done for drunk-driving on a bike, but it's a little less of a bad idea, and Napa in the spring is lovely to cycle around. You can start out of Yountville and hit a loop of six or seven wineries within a few miles.

any winery that you have tried and would recommend?

Yeah. All within shouting distance of Yountville, I like Opus One, Cakebread, Round Pond, Caymus, Paraduxx, Cliff Lede, and Stag's Leap, by which time you'll just about be falling off your bike.

Duckhorn Vineyards, the big brother of Paraduxx, is about ten miles up the road toward St. Helena, and is excellent too.

hoping to find a cheaper car rental agency, probably a saloon car would be fine as its for 2 person. i guess 4WD is not required since its not in the winter period??
You'd be surprised - the higher reaches of Utah, Arizona and Colorado can be snowy as late as June. I did a road trip out that way with the parents back in April 2016 and hit snowstorms three days in a row.

i think option 2 is a brilliant route! u reckon its gonna take 1.5 week? Should I cater more time to this trip? My entire trip is 21 days so minus the air travel I am left with 17days.

Planning to spend 2-3 days at SFO would this be too short? and say 1 day at the outlet near Palm spring haha.

Yeah, I think that could easily be a week-and-a-half's driving, especially if you drive back from Page to Los Angeles - that's a solid day's driving right there.

Also, let's be honest, all outlet malls are pretty much the same, and most of what they sell is cheap rubbish that's made specifically for the outlet malls. If you hit the outlet malls in Napa or Petaluma, you won't need to do it again in Vegas or Palm Springs. Spend your time enjoying Palm Springs instead - go hiking in Palm Canyon, or do a tour of the old Hollywood houses!
 
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the thing is i plan to drive and drink drinking carries a heavy offence in US so thats my dilemma, probably have to put the bottles of wine in the boot:(:(

hoping to find a cheaper car rental agency, probably a saloon car would be fine as its for 2 person. i guess 4WD is not required since its not in the winter period??

high altitude not uncommon to find snow in mid May to early June. but its no snow storm and 4WD or AWD is not needed.

u not going to this area any way
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...-high-plains-denver-cheyenne-wyoming/56695537

was in AZ and had over 1 foot of snow and my FWD, but I am used to it with over 10yrs of crazy winter driving experience.. if U coming from a place not experiencing much snow and well lit roads well you will want AWD and will have the habits to turn on high beam the entire time.

went to Grand Canyon South Rim twice in Mar/Apr timing and I don't recall much snow. then again it vary yr to yr and time to time. today's snow can be melted quickly with high temp.

U are going Napa for tasting, must you swallow to taste? U can always choose to spit it out and buy them to carry multiple bottles in your trunk. if U plan on finishing bottles in the vineyard and carry nothing in your boot... then do the above as what shinny suggested.
Drink and drive in Singapore also carries heavy offense if U choose to down few bottles of wine and drive! =:p
The fact it's less serious doesn't make it ok to do
 
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have some spare USD from last trip, anyone would like to buy them??? Please PM me
 
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firstly thank you everyone for your feedback and suggestions. Im really loss for words on the detailed assistance provided for my questions. thx again!!



the thing is i plan to drive and drink drinking carries a heavy offence in US so thats my dilemma, probably have to put the bottles of wine in the boot:(:(

any winery that you have tried and would recommend?






hoping to find a cheaper car rental agency, probably a saloon car would be fine as its for 2 person. i guess 4WD is not required since its not in the winter period??



i think option 2 is a brilliant route! u reckon its gonna take 1.5 week? Should I cater more time to this trip? My entire trip is 21 days so minus the air travel I am left with 17days.

Planning to spend 2-3 days at SFO would this be too short? and say 1 day at the outlet near Palm spring haha.

Iron horse, robert mondavi . these 2 vineyards are superb. If you are interested in olive oil vineyard i can recommend you too. Ohh. They do tasting portions. Or u can chill there until alcohol wear off / pee off?

Ohhh must go trader joes get 2 buck chug. Lolol

Just a tip. If more than 1 person drive then alternate lo. Means u drink at 1 out of 2 vineyard or smth.
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I'm doing up my itinerary and have some questions.

1) From Yosemite to GC South Rim, are there at least two stop over that could be suggested? The distance is too long and it's crazy to drive for 8hrs
2) besides Palm Spring is there an alternative pit stop? There doesn't seem much attraction there. I'm traveling out from Anthelope Canyon to LA.
3) wondering if anyone has been to Santa Monica? I'm planning to add it in to my plans
4) would there be any data card to recommend for purchase as I'm thinking if it's easy to buy over in U.S. I read our local Sim plan are not worth the money given the limited coverage in U.S.
 

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Did you managed to rent a bicycle to do the wine tasting?

Does the hotel provide free parking at Napa?

Solo driver so i don't think driving is gonna be an option when doing the wine tasting.

Iron horse, robert mondavi . these 2 vineyards are superb. If you are interested in olive oil vineyard i can recommend you too. Ohh. They do tasting portions. Or u can chill there until alcohol wear off / pee off?

Ohhh must go trader joes get 2 buck chug. Lolol

Just a tip. If more than 1 person drive then alternate lo. Means u drink at 1 out of 2 vineyard or smth.
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Do you have a few places to stop while heading to South Rim? It's quite a drive from Yosemite to GC and wondering if it's challenging to drive for so long.

I hope by April there isn't gonna be snow. Gonna take a gamble and book a non 4WD haha
high altitude not uncommon to find snow in mid May to early June. but its no snow storm and 4WD or AWD is not needed.

u not going to this area any way
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...-high-plains-denver-cheyenne-wyoming/56695537

was in AZ and had over 1 foot of snow and my FWD, but I am used to it with over 10yrs of crazy winter driving experience.. if U coming from a place not experiencing much snow and well lit roads well you will want AWD and will have the habits to turn on high beam the entire time.

went to Grand Canyon South Rim twice in Mar/Apr timing and I don't recall much snow. then again it vary yr to yr and time to time. today's snow can be melted quickly with high temp.

U are going Napa for tasting, must you swallow to taste? U can always choose to spit it out and buy them to carry multiple bottles in your trunk. if U plan on finishing bottles in the vineyard and carry nothing in your boot... then do the above as what shinny suggested.
Drink and drive in Singapore also carries heavy offense if U choose to down few bottles of wine and drive! =:p
The fact it's less serious doesn't make it ok to do
 

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I'm doing up my itinerary and have some questions.

1) From Yosemite to GC South Rim, are there at least two stop over that could be suggested? The distance is too long and it's crazy to drive for 8hrs

Oh yeah, absolutely. In April you'll need to go around the south end of the Sierra Nevada mountains; Google Maps recommends heading south to Bakersfield and then taking Interstate 40 all the way across Arizona, but I think you can do better than that.

Head south to Bakersfield, then curve around and drop in on Death Valley (stay at the Furnace Creek Ranch). It's amazingly beautiful, and how often do you get to hang out below sea level? This is a bit of a schlep - it's seven-and-a-half hours - but it's still better than doing the deathly-boring eleven-and-a-half-hour drive through Bakersfield and the Mojave.

Then, from Furnace Creek, it's only a couple of hours to Vegas, which is a fun (and relatively cheap) place to spend a night.

Then from Vegas, it's only a four-and-a-half-hour drive to Grand Canyon Village.

If you can't afford the extra night, and you don't mind missing Death Valley (you can hit Las Vegas on the way back; see below), break your trip in Laughlin, right at the bottom tip of the pointy bit of Nevada. Accommodation's cheap, because it's all casinos - you can get a nice room at the Golden Nugget, with a view over the Colorado River, for about a hundred bucks. And pop into Mojave National Preserve on the way, even if you just do the quick side trip to the cute little railway outpost of Kelso.

As a side note, when you're heading from Grand Canyon Village to Page (Antelope Canyon), make sure you stop over at the Cameron Trading Post and pick up some souvenirs. I recommend this to literally everyone who asks about that trip, but that's because it's a great little place that wouldn't get any attention otherwise.

2) besides Palm Spring is there an alternative pit stop? There doesn't seem much attraction there. I'm traveling out from Anthelope Canyon to LA.

From Page, you've got two choices for how to get to LA (assuming you don't want to retrace your steps on Interstate 40):

1) Head south to Flagstaff, then go back the way you came on Interstate 40 to Needles, then head south to Palm Springs along the 95 and the 10. This is eight hours' drive time from Page to Palm Springs, which is totally doable in a day.

2) Head northwest toward Kanab. This is an amazingly good idea, because you can drive back down through Zion National Park, which is an incredible drive; the road goes Kanab-Mt Carmel Junction-Springdale-Hurricane-St George, at which point you're back on Interstate 15 and about three hours from Vegas, which is a good place to stop for the night. From Vegas, it's about a four-and-a-half-hour drive to Los Angeles.

Basically it depends - would you rather see Palm Springs' 50s Hollywood glamour, or would you rather see towering natural beauty in Zion National Park?

The third option, if you're really sick of driving, is to drive to Flagstaff, dump the car there, and fly back to Los Angeles - but where's the fun in that?

3) wondering if anyone has been to Santa Monica? I'm planning to add it in to my plans

Yeah, Santa Monica or West Hollywood is a great place to base yourself in LA. Here's the thing: LA sucks to get around; you have to drive everywhere; so you want to base yourself close to the things you'll want to see, and nearly all of those things are on the west side of town.

I personally like WeHo (well obviously *rainbow flag emoji* ), but I've stayed in Santa Monica as well and it's great. My pick for hotels is the Oceana Santa Monica.

4) would there be any data card to recommend for purchase as I'm thinking if it's easy to buy over in U.S. I read our local Sim plan are not worth the money given the limited coverage in U.S.
I've always had good luck with T-Mobile, though their coverage leaves a bit to be desired.
 
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Did you managed to rent a bicycle to do the wine tasting?

Yeah absolutely. You want Napa Valley Bike Tours in Yountville, for two reasons: firstly, because Yountville's a great place to start a bike loop around a ton of brilliant wineries; and secondly because they rent electric bikes, which make the ride so much easier (especially toward the end of the day when you've tied a few on and there's a couple of bottles of primo Napa cab sauv in your backpack).

Does the hotel provide free parking at Napa?

Most do; the most-expensive ones may charge, but it won't be more than $10 or $20.

Solo driver so i don't think driving is gonna be an option when doing the wine tasting.

So, get yourself a bike... or a driver! A driver's gonna run you a couple hundred bucks for the day, but it'll be worth it if it means you can taste all those primo wines without having to worry about the cops ruining your day.
 

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Delta vs United vs American Airlines

Guys, how would you compare the 3 airlines ? (Delta vs United vs AA)
Of relevance here is the quality of service, aircraft and cabin (in particular business class), food, and so on.
Price quoted is not significantly different among the 3 for the particular date and route (SIN to Mid-western state) that I am enquiring, so it's not a differentiating factor here.
Thanks for any inputs!
 

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I hope by April there isn't gonna be snow.

I am lazy to look for again, but in this thread two years ago I posted a photo of your truly taken mid-May with sign 'road closed' and one ft of snow with -2C about 20 miles outside at North Rim.

With your reliance on 'hope' you'd be better of playing roulette at casino.
 

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Guys, how would you compare the 3 airlines ? (Delta vs United vs AA)
Of relevance here is the quality of service, aircraft and cabin (in particular business class), food, and so on.

What 'service'? US carriers have following philosophy - 'flight attendants at your flight are not there for your service, they are for your safety'.

AA does not fly to SIN, what route are referring to?

In short - your best deal in terms of service is with Virgin America or Jetblue. Forget about food in intra-US flights unless your are seating in F.
 

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What 'service'? US carriers have following philosophy - 'flight attendants at your flight are not there for your service, they are for your safety'.

AA does not fly to SIN, what route are referring to?

In short - your best deal in terms of service is with Virgin America or Jetblue. Forget about food in intra-US flights unless your are seating in F.

Unfortunately, the options given (it's a business trip) are only those 3 above, so no Jetblue nor VA as option.
You're right, I just realize that the AA flight (from ORD) is code-shared with JAL for the NRT-SIN leg.

So bottomline is, you're saying that there's no difference among the 3 for the factors that I'm considering above (even if it's business class), yes ?
 

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So bottomline is, you're saying that there's no difference among the 3 for the factors that I'm considering above (even if it's business class), yes ?

The best option is NOT using any of them if possible up to the closest point of your destination. If your endpoint is ORD/LAX/SFO-SJC/JFK-EWR-LGA you have plenty of option to select from, excluding these three. If your destination is outside of these hubs, then fly to the hub closest to the destination and make short flight from there.

From these three I've been only on UA last 10 years and it gave me enough reason to avoid it as much as possible despite the fact that I maintain Premier status with them. But all my flights are in Y.
 
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I am lazy to look for again, but in this thread two years ago I posted a photo of your truly taken mid-May with sign 'road closed' and one ft of snow with -2C about 20 miles outside at North Rim.

With your reliance on 'hope' you'd be better of playing roulette at casino.

Dude not going to north rim, he going south rim, antelope Canyon will pass by the hwy to north rim. Chances low.
High elevation higher chance go rocky mt national park in June and you may find snow in June
 

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Do you have a few places to stop while heading to South Rim? It's quite a drive from Yosemite to GC and wondering if it's challenging to drive for so long.

I hope by April there isn't gonna be snow. Gonna take a gamble and book a non 4WD haha

U can refer to last yr data if it snow and the historical data. No snow last year!
http://explorethecanyon.com/weather/
https://weather.com/weather/monthly/l/Grand+Canyon+AZ+USAZ0088:1:US

If it turn out that will snow due to our crazy weather then trade up! Just pay up. Most likely u getting a AWD not 4WD, both in snow or black ice you cannot drive like normal days. They offer better traction, I find more trucks with 4WD crashing on the side of the road up north as ppl think they can drive like normal no worries.

Parking generally free at napa. The Hilton brands at napa generally free
 
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