What linux distro are you using?

[maxhurt]

Sorry for barging in, but I ended up in these parts from somewhere else after many years and thought this was an old sticky thread but turned out not

Disclaimer: (ex-)Arch developer for many years.

Hi. Any arch user? Is the task of compiling e program to suit each need daunting? Hope to try. TIA

Don't worry, that's a concern for distros like Gentoo. Just to make it 100% clear, Arch's package manager Pacman is built primarily for "binary" packages, not "source". Compiled (source) packages is a secondary feature only. I'm not sure I've heard of anyone compiling packages aside from a few isolated cases.

Arch is really not that difficult to use as a day to day user, might be diff for you depending on your need.

It is still true that it is a challenge because of the lack of a graphical installer and (official) graphical package manager. You face the same problem with things like LFS. I think the team these days is looking forward to some future projects on that end.

Even after many years (not as many as the other old-timers of the 90s), I still have to look things up when installing and setting things up. I am shamelessly NOT using any Linux at all these days, but that's for other reasons which can also be valid for Linux in general (hardware/motherboard issues with primary machine).

Some things cannot just be committed to memory, and some things are what I call maintenance "burden". It is not without trouble, and trouble costs time. For beginners and experts alike, Arch, Gentoo, Slackware and LFS are just not efficient and productive use of time.

Amateurs.

'Real' Linux users use a plain Wayland compositor + window manager like Weston or Sway and write their own config files to beat it into submission. No legacy Xorg DEs or WMs .

So by that definition, even after a decade of contributing to Arch, Linux and open-source, because I choose the path of least resistance in terms of WM/DE, I am not a 'real' Linux user

But I do want a slightly beautiful interface.

I am like this too, but unfortunately, I don't see Wayland is making things much more beautiful.

 

[MoxLotus]

Office: Ubuntu/Mac
Home: Debian/FreeNAS/Ubuntu/Raspbian/CentOS/Windows

Also I use VIm+TMux for work

 

[WinMe]

using RaspbianOS. haha

 

[FatalityV]

Sorry for barging in, but I ended up in these parts from somewhere else after many years and thought this was an old sticky thread but turned out not

Disclaimer: (ex-)Arch developer for many years.



Don't worry, that's a concern for distros like Gentoo. Just to make it 100% clear, Arch's package manager Pacman is built primarily for "binary" packages, not "source". Compiled (source) packages is a secondary feature only. I'm not sure I've heard of anyone compiling packages aside from a few isolated cases.



It is still true that it is a challenge because of the lack of a graphical installer and (official) graphical package manager. You face the same problem with things like LFS. I think the team these days is looking forward to some future projects on that end.

Even after many years (not as many as the other old-timers of the 90s), I still have to look things up when installing and setting things up. I am shamelessly NOT using any Linux at all these days, but that's for other reasons which can also be valid for Linux in general (hardware/motherboard issues with primary machine).

Some things cannot just be committed to memory, and some things are what I call maintenance "burden". It is not without trouble, and trouble costs time. For beginners and experts alike, Arch, Gentoo, Slackware and LFS are just not efficient and productive use of time.



So by that definition, even after a decade of contributing to Arch, Linux and open-source, because I choose the path of least resistance in terms of WM/DE, I am not a 'real' Linux user



I am like this too, but unfortunately, I don't see Wayland is making things much more beautiful.

Wow, I never knew that any of the Arch developers were Singaporean!

I've since moved on from arch, but I do agree with what you said. I moved on primarily because I'm moving into iOS development and as such need to utilise macOS, so I went on to hackintoshing.

 

[batuchka]

Ok my fav 2020 Distro of Linux i've tried so far are a) Manjaro 19.0.2 KDE plasma and b) Ubuntu 20.04 DDE! I love both KDE Plasma and Deepin desktop environments so once i tried these 2 i was hooked haha

 

[Tony.Manero]

Tried a few and discovered Fedora is still the best. Previous favourite was Ubuntu.

Lost trust in Ubuntu after their amazon tie up.
All the other derivatives like mint, zorin etc try too hard to distinguish from ubuntu and don't feel polished to me.

Fedora is just plain gnome 3 and is the most simple yet aesthetically pleasing to me.

 

[Tony.Manero]

Ok my fav 2020 Distro of Linux i've tried so far are a) Manjaro 19.0.2 KDE plasma and b) Ubuntu 20.04 DDE! I love both KDE Plasma and Deepin desktop environments so once i tried these 2 i was hooked haha

Tried Deepin Desktop Environment a few times. There's something about it that looks hard and cold. Gnome 3 has a more fuzzy warm feel to it.

 

[Tony.Manero]

Fedora 32 is out! Just installed it last night and configured it suisui. Reinstalled most apps too.

Something odd about the app store. Dash to Dock no longer appears in the search. Used a browser extension to install.

 

[Rock-kun]

I will *love* to see how many of you will start fumbling around completely helpless and lost (and jump back to Windows or macOS) when Red Hat officially discontinues and stops maintaining Xorg on their next major release of RHEL.

Lots of stuff that people take for granted in Xorg environments do not work in a Wayland environment, which is a deliberate decision.

In fact, I want them to go one step further and drop XWayland as well. As long as XWayland still exist, no commercial developer for Linux will bother to rework their applications to work properly under Wayland's security and sandbox design.

The reality is that X.org is basically maintained by us and thus once we stop paying attention to it there is unlikely to be any major new releases coming out and there might even be some bitrot setting in over time. We will keep an eye on it as we will want to ensure X.org stays supportable until the end of the RHEL8 lifecycle at a minimum, but let this be a friendly notice for everyone who rely the work we do maintaining the Linux graphics stack, get onto Wayland, that is where the future is.

 

[Tony.Manero]

I will *love* to see how many of you will start fumbling around completely helpless and lost (and jump back to Windows or macOS) when Red Hat officially discontinues and stops maintaining Xorg on their next major release of RHEL.

Lots of stuff that people take for granted in Xorg environments do not work in a Wayland environment, which is a deliberate decision.

In fact, I want them to go one step further and drop XWayland as well. As long as XWayland still exist, no commercial developer for Linux will bother to rework their applications to work properly under Wayland's security and sandbox design.

Wayland is the way to go. Once nvidia supports Wayland, the path will be clear.

 

[Tony.Manero]

Just installed Manjaro Gnome. Looks good after some tweaking of the fonts.

 

[Tony.Manero]

Debian. Before that, Slackware

Why not Gentoo?

 

[xiaofan]

Installed Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on an HP500 250GB external USB SSD (USB 3.1 Gen 2, Type C, bought from Challenger at S$79) and run it with my 2.5 years old Acer laptop (Swift 3, Intel Core i5-8250U, 8GB Ram, 256GB SSD). It seems to run pretty smooth.

Previously I tried Ubuntu 18.04 on SanDisk 64GB USB flash drive but not that great due to slow speed of the flash drive.

I am using an external SSD since the laptop is mainly used by my kids and wife.

 

[xiaofan]

Why not Gentoo?

For most users who want to get things done, Gentoo is a waste of time.

 

[Rock-kun]

For most users who want to get things done, Gentoo is a waste of time.

Not a waste of time. A complete and utter waste of time

People got better things to do with their time than to build an entire Linux distribution up from source code. And by default, Portage generates machine-specific binaries. This means that if I use portage to compile a fresh build of Firefox 78 on a computer with an IceLake processor, that Firefox binary cannot run on another Gentoo machine with a non-IceLake processor. Which is stupid. So you either muck around with Portage and potentially break stuff, or simply bypass it altogether and build your stuff manually with generic build commands and params.

Which defeats the purpose of using Gentoo in the first place.

I compile my own applications and application libraries in Debian separate from the (very outdated) versions available in the Debian repositories and I can safely say that maintaining these things built from source is a *expletive* timewaster.

 

[Apparatus]

RE

Using Linux Mint Mate 20 and Linux Manjaro 20 in VM on Windows host machine.

Pretty stable

 

[Apparatus]

Tried a few and discovered Fedora is still the best. Previous favourite was Ubuntu.

Lost trust in Ubuntu after their amazon tie up.
All the other derivatives like mint, zorin etc try too hard to distinguish from ubuntu and don't feel polished to me.

Fedora is just plain gnome 3 and is the most simple yet aesthetically pleasing to me.

No more Amazon app in Ubuntu

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/01/ubuntu-removes-the-amazon-web-app

 

[Tony.Manero]

No more Amazon app in Ubuntu


https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/01/...amazon-web-app

Using arch based now though

 

[batuchka]

Never tried OpenSuse and distro base on it b4? GeckoLinux looks to be what Manjaro is to Arch based distro - anyone tried GeckoLinux? Think wanna try out the rolling release LXQT version haha