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Means still see if u going to buy or not instead of really ‘helping u’ ard etc lo.... no services except commission for walk in?

I can understand their situation, it's like 33-35K agents fighting for 9-12K new condos sold a year. So they would want to maximise their time for the clients whom they think most likely to buy

Just that their method of selecting customers may be flawed. They suck up to customers driving merc and wearing rolex, and tend to ignore you if you dont drive. Not saying all agents are like this, but this is generally the behaviour.

They probably didn't think that for those without luxury cars and goods, more likely these people are more cash-rich. And without car loans, they have more buffer for TDSR.

Many ppl I know driving Merc, BMW, wearing ROlex are actually living from one pay cheque to another.
 

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Irresponsible tactics to lure Singapore property investors come under fire from authorities
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/invest/irresponsible-tactics-to-lure-property-investors-come-under-fire-from-authorities

- The Singapore authorities have criticised the "irresponsible" actions of some property investment educators and real estate agents who use scare tactics to attract customers to its investment courses. :eek:

- These people have been flagged for actively pushing the message that "HDB flats will become worthless after 99 years" on social media, so that worried owners will pay thousands of dollars to sign up for their investment courses or sell their Housing Board flats to invest in private or commercial properties.

Read the article for more "scare tactics" used to target gullible sinkies. :s22:
 

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Haha I read the article on today’s newspapers. Kinda obvious though.

Irresponsible tactics to lure Singapore property investors come under fire from authorities
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/invest/irresponsible-tactics-to-lure-property-investors-come-under-fire-from-authorities

- The Singapore authorities have criticised the "irresponsible" actions of some property investment educators and real estate agents who use scare tactics to attract customers to its investment courses. :eek:

- These people have been flagged for actively pushing the message that "HDB flats will become worthless after 99 years" on social media, so that worried owners will pay thousands of dollars to sign up for their investment courses or sell their Housing Board flats to invest in private or commercial properties.

Read the article for more "scare tactics" used to target gullible sinkies. :s22:
 

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Ya that time I attended online webinar and saw many people signed up for the course. A lot typed out 'I registered already.' More than 40 different usernames. But the course fees was $399.
 

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Anyone can share the full article?

SINGAPORE - The Singapore authorities have criticised the "irresponsible" actions of some property investment educators and real estate agents who use scare tactics to attract customers to its investment courses.

In particular, these people have been flagged for actively pushing the message that "HDB flats will become worthless after 99 years" on social media, so that worried owners will pay thousands of dollars to sign up for their investment courses or sell their Housing Board flats to invest in private or commercial properties.

For instance, in a recent marketing video that has been uploaded on YouTube, one such "education company" interviewed Singaporeans, asking whether they knew that the value of their HDB flats would depreciate over the years .

In another video, after interviewing several workers who said they had to work long hours, the presenter asked whether Singaporeans really "had to work till they drop" just to make ends meet.

These advertisers then exhort viewers to sign up for their "free webinars", which promote their property investment strategies as the solution to viewers' woes.

One such scheme entails using shell companies to apply for bigger loans to buy commercial properties - a scheme that is prescribed to those who may not be able to invest otherwise.

In a joint statement to The Sunday Times, spokesmen for the Ministry of National Development (MND) and the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) said: "It is inappropriate for any company to play up fears and uncertainties to attract people to sign up for its property investment courses.

"This is an irresponsible marketing tactic. Buying of properties should not be seen as a quick or easy way to get rich."

While no regulatory action is being taken now, the MAS has reminded banks to step up their due diligence on commercial property loan applications.

Separately, the Council for Estate Agencies (CEA) has issued a warning to real estate agents that they must not use "inaccurate, false and misleading claims" to pressure owners to sell their HDB flats, just so they can earn more commission.

This caution came after a recent spike in HDB resale transactions, which rose by 127.3 per cent in the third quarter of this year.

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The CEA urged the public to report such rogue agents so that it can take action against those who do not act professionally.

The authorities' response came about a month after The Sunday Times' Invest flagged the worrying trend of some companies holding paid courses that purportedly teach people how to invest in properties to enjoy good rental incomes while they wait for "massive capital appreciation".

These companies also claim to have investment strategies even for those who have little or even no cash.

To prove such claims, some past participants were shown to be able to buy properties within days of attending such "property mastery" courses.

Other success stories touted included people who were able to own multiple properties jointly in a short time.

The participants are apparently taught how to set up private limited companies to buy commercial properties, so that they can get large loans from banks.

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On co-ownership of properties, the MAS spokesman said investors need to be aware of the financial risks.

"Although they may only be part-owners, if a property loan is taken out, they can be liable for the full property loan amount in the event that other investors default or if there is insufficient rental income generated to repay the property loan," the spokesman noted.

The MAS added that while investors can set up companies to buy commercial properties, it reminded banks to perform due diligence to determine if a company is engaging in substantive commercial activities or is merely a shell entity set up for the purchase of properties.

In the latter case, MAS rules require banks to apply the total debt servicing ratio rules, which will usually result in lower loan amounts.

The MAS also reminds banks to calibrate the loan-to-value limits for commercial property loans based on property usage.

Loan amounts should be lower if the commercial property is to be leased out for rental income, compared with the case where a company buys it for its own use.

Companies with genuine operations normally can get loans of up to 90 per cent of a commercial property's purchase price.

A veteran financial adviser, who routinely handles such deals and declined to be named, said most experienced property investors know that banks are usually reluctant to lend more to those who intend to buy commercial properties with the sole purpose of collecting rents.

"As a rule, I always advise them to have cash to pay 30 per cent of the property price.

"But after this reminder from MAS, I would not be surprised if banks now ask for more down payment, especially if the purchase is made through newly set-up companies," he added.
 

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Also got "power courses" to teach how to buy undervalued properties and sell your properties above valuation.

Much to learn from their marketing actually, more than the actual offer itself.
 

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But its true 99 years hdb lease become $0 right when run out?

Even LW sad that in 2018?
 

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In particular, these people have been flagged for actively pushing the message that "HDB flats will become worthless after 99 years" on social media, so that worried owners will pay thousands of dollars to sign up for their investment courses or sell their Housing Board flats to invest in private or commercial properties.

Isn't it true that most HDB flats will become worthless after the 99 years lease is over? The flats will be returned to state land when the lease is over and all the money you paid for the flat and renovation is gone.

PAP minister Lawrence Wong said that only 4% of HDB flats are eligible for SERS, which means 96% of HDB flat owners will not have SERS and therefore will get no compensation for losing their flats when the lease is over.


https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...come-eligible-for-sers-cautions-lawrence-wong

Don't assume all old HDB flats will become eligible for Sers, cautions Lawrence Wong
MAR 24, 2017

SINGAPORE - National Development Minister Lawrence Wong has cautioned home buyers not to assume that all old Housing Board flats will be automatically eligible for the Selective En bloc Redevelopment Scheme (Sers).

He said in a blog post on Friday (March 24) that the Government will continue to maintain the strict selection criteria for blocks eligible for Sers, noting that only 4 per cent of HDB flats have been identified for Sers since it was launched in 1995.

Mr Wong was responding to a Lianhe Zaobao report on March 15 which highlighted the high prices of several short-lease HDB flats in the resale market.

"While resale flats are transacted on a willing buyer-willing seller basis, I was concerned by the suggestion that some buyers are forking out high prices for older flats, in anticipation of the benefits of Sers," he wrote.

He said that Sers is offered only to HDB blocks located in sites with high redevelopment potential. "These are typically sites where the land has not been well utilised. It is also subject to the availability of suitable replacement sites for residents and the Government's financial resources."

Noting that the Government will retain this strict selection criteria, Mr Wong said that for most HDB flats, their leases will eventually run out and the flats returned to HDB, which in turn surrenders the land the flats are on to the State.
 

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But its true 99 years hdb lease become $0 right when run out?

Even LW sad that in 2018?
Condos too.

Just that they have the possibility to get an en bloc sale if a developer thinks the location is good, and most importantly,

the government approves the sale and the lease extension.

The first HDBs haven't even reach 99 years yet I think
 

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Wait till one sees a 99 lease condo turn ZERO. Singapore is only 55 years old, most here won't live till the lease runs to zero. Ask your grandchildren to let you know what happens to the condos you pass down to them.

There are many hundreds of leasehold condos. Will all of them get enbloc?

If one is really so afraid that lease will run to zero because they want to pass the property down to their darling children, by all means buy a freehold property then.
 

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It's long overdue for authorities to cramp down on these.

I remember 1.5 years ago I attended one such workshop by a couple (husband and wife) who proclaim they can and help students to own many properties without much cash.

It's exactly what is described below and many attendees who attended can be silly enough to believe them and pay $3-4K for their 2 days workshop. I walked out from their free seminar as I feel that if so many students give me $3-4K each, of course, I can also easily own a few properties.

But many believed it, as they played the fear factor and also they know Singaporeans OT the most in the world. Who does not want to sit and shake legs while collecting passive income?

Many are screwed right now, as their commercial or industrial units cannot be effectively rented out during this COVID situation.

They sold their HDBs to fund this, and now 100% screwed.

The other types are property agents who would tell you to sell your current fully paid HDBs and use that to buy 2 condos. They happily earn commissions from 2 transactions.


SINGAPORE - The Singapore authorities have criticised the "irresponsible" actions of some property investment educators and real estate agents who use scare tactics to attract customers to its investment courses.

In particular, these people have been flagged for actively pushing the message that "HDB flats will become worthless after 99 years" on social media, so that worried owners will pay thousands of dollars to sign up for their investment courses or sell their Housing Board flats to invest in private or commercial properties.

For instance, in a recent marketing video that has been uploaded on YouTube, one such "education company" interviewed Singaporeans, asking whether they knew that the value of their HDB flats would depreciate over the years .

In another video, after interviewing several workers who said they had to work long hours, the presenter asked whether Singaporeans really "had to work till they drop" just to make ends meet.

These advertisers then exhort viewers to sign up for their "free webinars", which promote their property investment strategies as the solution to viewers' woes.

One such scheme entails using shell companies to apply for bigger loans to buy commercial properties - a scheme that is prescribed to those who may not be able to invest otherwise.

In a joint statement to The Sunday Times, spokesmen for the Ministry of National Development (MND) and the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) said: "It is inappropriate for any company to play up fears and uncertainties to attract people to sign up for its property investment courses.

"This is an irresponsible marketing tactic. Buying of properties should not be seen as a quick or easy way to get rich."

While no regulatory action is being taken now, the MAS has reminded banks to step up their due diligence on commercial property loan applications.

Separately, the Council for Estate Agencies (CEA) has issued a warning to real estate agents that they must not use "inaccurate, false and misleading claims" to pressure owners to sell their HDB flats, just so they can earn more commission.

This caution came after a recent spike in HDB resale transactions, which rose by 127.3 per cent in the third quarter of this year.

MORE ON THIS TOPIC
Buy properties with little cash? It's too good to be true
Why HDB flats are still the best investment for most families
The CEA urged the public to report such rogue agents so that it can take action against those who do not act professionally.

The authorities' response came about a month after The Sunday Times' Invest flagged the worrying trend of some companies holding paid courses that purportedly teach people how to invest in properties to enjoy good rental incomes while they wait for "massive capital appreciation".

These companies also claim to have investment strategies even for those who have little or even no cash.

To prove such claims, some past participants were shown to be able to buy properties within days of attending such "property mastery" courses.

Other success stories touted included people who were able to own multiple properties jointly in a short time.

The participants are apparently taught how to set up private limited companies to buy commercial properties, so that they can get large loans from banks.

MORE ON THIS TOPIC
With prices so low, time to buy a home on Sentosa?
On co-ownership of properties, the MAS spokesman said investors need to be aware of the financial risks.

"Although they may only be part-owners, if a property loan is taken out, they can be liable for the full property loan amount in the event that other investors default or if there is insufficient rental income generated to repay the property loan," the spokesman noted.

The MAS added that while investors can set up companies to buy commercial properties, it reminded banks to perform due diligence to determine if a company is engaging in substantive commercial activities or is merely a shell entity set up for the purchase of properties.

In the latter case, MAS rules require banks to apply the total debt servicing ratio rules, which will usually result in lower loan amounts.

The MAS also reminds banks to calibrate the loan-to-value limits for commercial property loans based on property usage.

Loan amounts should be lower if the commercial property is to be leased out for rental income, compared with the case where a company buys it for its own use.

Companies with genuine operations normally can get loans of up to 90 per cent of a commercial property's purchase price.

A veteran financial adviser, who routinely handles such deals and declined to be named, said most experienced property investors know that banks are usually reluctant to lend more to those who intend to buy commercial properties with the sole purpose of collecting rents.

"As a rule, I always advise them to have cash to pay 30 per cent of the property price.

"But after this reminder from MAS, I would not be surprised if banks now ask for more down payment, especially if the purchase is made through newly set-up companies," he added.
 

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Isn't it true that most HDB flats will become worthless after the 99 years lease is over? The flats will be returned to state land when the lease is over and all the money you paid for the flat and renovation is gone.

That is true. But the property agents or people hired by the developers do not need to instil FEAR into gullible property newbies.
 

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Condos are not so bad, as come near to the end of lease, say left with 20 years, you have 2 options:

a) One is to push for en-bloc to private developers
b) If en-bloc is not possible, you can apply to top up the 99 years lease.

Either option allows you to preserve value comes closer to 99 years lease.

For HDB, you do not such an option as technically speaking, you don't own the strata - HDB is your landlord and you just prepaid your 99 years lease.

You cannot push for en-block nor you can top-up your lease even you and your neighbours are prepared to do so.


Wait till one sees a 99 lease condo turn ZERO. Singapore is only 55 years old, most here won't live till the lease runs to zero. Ask your grandchildren to let you know what happens to the condos you pass down to them.

There are many hundreds of leasehold condos. Will all of them get enbloc?

If one is really so afraid that lease will run to zero because they want to pass the property down to their darling children, by all means buy a freehold property then.
 

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It's long overdue for authorities to cramp down on these.

I remember 1.5 years ago I attended one such workshop by a couple (husband and wife) who proclaim they can and help students to own many properties without much cash.

It's exactly what is described below and many attendees who attended can be silly enough to believe them and pay $3-4K for their 2 days workshop. I walked out from their free seminar as I feel that if so many students give me $3-4K each, of course, I can also easily own a few properties.

But many believed it, as they played the fear factor and also they know Singaporeans OT the most in the world. Who does not want to sit and shake legs while collecting passive income?

Many are screwed right now, as their commercial or industrial units cannot be effectively rented out during this COVID situation.

They sold their HDBs to fund this, and now 100% screwed.

The other types are property agents who would tell you to sell your current fully paid HDBs and use that to buy 2 condos. They happily earn commissions from 2 transactions.

Even regular property agents at showflats are cunning enough to spread FEAR among buyers. There are many ways to do it. Parents also almost got conned into signing when the agent at showflat pulled out the list of recent crazy developer land bids. It will only go higher she said :eek:
 
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