Why birth rate not enough in Singapore?

[Vinda99]

Financials aside. It's whether ppl r willing 2 make d sacrifices n finds it worthwhile.

Yep.. in Sg it is almost a given that both parents need to work to support the family and most likely elderly parents, even before kids.

So when the person in charge of boosting TFR is a person who earns income of many Singaporeans' average income combined, but is unmarried and has no children, it is almost impossible to expect them to be able to relate to those sacrifices. In turn, the policies they make will be informed by their own life experiences (or lack thereof) and of course the bean counters.

And that's how we get to this

 

[tatsit]

the answer already given in this thread: on one hand ask why birth rates low, on the other hand tell people not to give birth if no money

 

[Peanut15]

Leaders lead by example then bottom follow. You see our prime ministar and the ministar in charge of raising tfr got chewren? Spouse also don’t have. How to convince us peasants to give birth?

she say: u think women are pig? how can u put a target on tfr

 

[kancilpl888]

This show Papy policies of profit/income driven policy is not working. Simply by maximising income in the short term, raising rebates/grants to entice people for some dream goal is not working well. Increase immigrant we do not like, so we need alternate view now. Vote well, vote alternate! Tomorrow we shall see

 

[iceblendedchoc]

Sg wife not want to give birth?

government prefer cheap foreigners over locals.

 

[Vinda99]

This show Papy policies of profit/income driven policy is not working. Simply by maximising income in the short term, raising rebates/grants to entice people for some dream goal is not working well. Increase immigrant we do not like, so we need alternate view now. Vote well, vote alternate! Tomorrow we shall see

When mod see the V word today:

 

[MarcusCamby]

The dropping birth rate is becoming more and more common in 1st world countries.

This has started even before the Pandemic is some countries like Korea, Japan, Australia etc.

It's a mix of a lot of things.

Even before cost of living pressures, women were getting married later, having their career longer, and having children later, and less children.

The post pandemic cost of living issues made it worse as people cannot afford children.

 

[NintendoSwitch]

Sg wife not want to give birth?

Both spouses working. Get home liao 10:30pm usually. Where got time for simi lomance? Plus now Brokeback Mountain ish fashionable.

 

[Cereal_Time]

Sg wife not want to give birth?

1. Cost of living
2. Got time?
3. Body complications for both sides
4. Married must give birth?

 

[volarth]

Now at Palestine, where ppl not enough to eat, no place to sleep, constant bombings, seeing ppl dying everywhere. But this place on earth has the highest birthrate!!!! So stop complaining about "don't want to bring suffering to my kids" nonsense.

Some religions place value on family over everything.

 

[MiG123]

Population density and stuffing as many ppl as possible into tiny spaces is key factor in driving exceptionally low birth rates in hyper urbanized Asian societies, not all the bullsh1t distractions about higher income rates, female empowerment or development levels.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nsity_Key_Factor_in_Declining_Human_Fertility

Case in point, the US being the richest and wokest country in the world but with their wide open suburban sprawl concept and auto centric transportation has double the TFR as us coming in at 1.6. Even thought it’s still below replacement of 2.1, it’s still worlds apart from the sub 1.0 figures seen in most hyper urbanized East Asian societies and once supplemented with immigration puts them comfortably above replacement.

 

[Airplane88]

Leaders lead by example then bottom follow. You see our prime ministar and the ministar in charge of raising tfr got chewren? Spouse also don’t have. How to convince us peasants to give birth?

The irony here is strong.

 

[Teyemittisi]

Cause they not having sex the right way

 

[Cereal_Time]

I want to have a child eventually, but time is not right yet. I'll start to try in a year or two. Reasons being:
1) Career not stable yet. Might be starting a small business in a few years, so having a kid now is against that.
2) BTO not ready yet, currently staying with in-laws who will also be moving to their BTO with us. Likely they'll be collecting keys before us, which means that me and my husband will have to rent. Renting is harder and more expensive unless we got PPHS (which we don't).
3) Time spent together isn't enough. We want to travel a bit more together first as a couple before having kids.

NONE of the reason is about others in parliament not having kids, stressful environment, etc. Whatever people do is none of our business, and environments will always be stressful. It's just that our parents didn't complain to us when we are younger.

People who don't have kids shouldn't complain when SG imports. Ownself don't want to contribute to TFR, think of excuses like environment stressful, too expensive, etc, then depend on others to have children. One day if all the policies swing to benefit new citizens, can only blame singles and DINKs for it.

TFR is already lower than 1. If popping so many kids like a swine does can improve it but pushes one to have financial and emotional stress, it's best not to have them.

Since you want to blame someone, I'd say to blame those who keep voting for the same party that allowed these changes to go on.

 

[Circusend]

I will like to give a controversial opinion. Women who want kids will have kids regardless.

it is the men who do not want kids. The baby bonus is only extended to couples (male plus female) forming a nucleus family. Hence government only intervene when males are in the picture. Single mothers have many kids regardless - and they do not do so for baby bonus. They bring up the tfr cheaply without depending so much on taxpayers money.

hence I think it is not the females who do not want kids. Females who settle down with males also do not have a lot of kids. Hence if I assume the females get married with the intention of getting kids, I believe its the males who overrode the female’s decision to have many kids. Cos if female veto male ie they dont want any kids, and the male want, the males will just divorce and go for a younger fertile woman. Or create more babies outside the marriage ie refer to the above single mother scenario. Or find a foreign bride.

hence i believe it is the singaporean men do not want kids n want to see their lineage die off.

 

[MiG123]

Population density and stuffing as many ppl as possible into tiny spaces is key factor in driving exceptionally low birth rates in hyper urbanized Asian societies, not all the bullsh1t distractions about higher income rates, female empowerment or development levels.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nsity_Key_Factor_in_Declining_Human_Fertility

Case in point, the US being the richest country in the world but with their wide open suburban sprawl concept and auto centric transportation has double the TFR as us coming in at 1.6. Even thought it’s still below replacement of 2.1, it’s still worlds apart from the sub 1.0 figures seen in most hyper urbanized East Asian societies and once supplemented with immigration puts them comfortably above replacement.

Simply when ur stuffed into a miserable pigeon hole barely enough for 2 ppl to move around and shared with 1000 other individuals vertically in the footprint of a food court, that kills any desire to add on the spatial pressure and intensity of ur own dwelling

Meanwhile if you have a double storey 6 bedroom house with multiple cars, which is realistic for even the middle class in msia to have, you’ll be inclined to build a family even at lower income and developmental levels.

 

[TrollAndOgres]

I have 2 young kids. Average income. Usual costs are a lot already not to mention the effort and time it takes to raise children. How to have more? I only can depend on helper and heng we have an okay one. If she dont want to extend contract, our arrangement will crumble.

Not to mention for work, both of us are in private sector non-iron rice bowl jobs. My co is having a joint venture so idk if i will still have a job this or next year lol.

And then as sandwiched gen, also have mounting expenses for elderly parents. For middle income family, we r deemed not poor enough to have extra govt help, but we r also not rich enough to be not stressed with monet issues.

 

[Mr Totoro 38]

The problem is PAP's lazy and blunt approach to improving TFR all these years has been immigration.
They took so long to increase shared parental leave, and by how much only?

As for housing? The BTO system directly causes people to have kids later. You rightly point out the issues about the long wait time for your flat, challenges with getting PPHC. There's also shrinking flat size which affects quality of life when there are kids.

All these things could have been directly improved through government policy. You can't blame the people for that.

Sighss....some ppl till now still don't get it or fully understand that there is a BIG flaw in the system!

Wonder keep on kpkb....

 

[kancilpl888]

I will like to give a controversial opinion. Women who want kids will have kids regardless.

it is the men who do not want kids. The baby bonus is only extended to couples (male plus female) forming a nucleus family. Hence government only intervene when males are in the picture. Single mothers have many kids regardless - and they do not do so for baby bonus. They bring up the tfr cheaply without depending so much on taxpayers money.

hence I think it is not the females who do not want kids. Females who settle down with males also do not have a lot of kids. Hence if I assume the females get married with the intention of getting kids, I believe its the males who overrode the female’s decision to have many kids. Cos if female veto male ie they dont want any kids, and the male want, the males will just divorce and go for a younger fertile woman. Or create more babies outside the marriage ie refer to the above single mother scenario. Or find a foreign bride.

hence i believe it is the singaporean men do not want kids n want to see their lineage die off.

no le bro, male like to f, woman no. Thats y a lot of accusation of rape, man went crazy (lack of) and need woman charter to protect woman. Study sexology, believe me

 

[Kunkka]

Take away malay birth rate we lowest in the world