WiFi and Network Configurations for 3Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/10Gbps plan

[xiaofan]

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Are you working in Network related stuff or this is pure hobby

Pure hobby.

Not an expert in this area -- still learning on more advanced stuff like IPv6, VLAN, pfSense/OpenWRT, Proxmox, etc.

My other hobby: Cross-platform (Linux, macOS and Windows) open source projects related to USB and MCU -- cannot code, more on testing and support side.
https://github.com/mcuee

Now --> trying to be involved in some Open Source networking projects
https://github.com/Zoxc/crusader
https://github.com/lynxthecat/cake-autorate

 

[matique]

Be85 and eb810v on paper have 240mhz on 5ghz, can link at 8.6gbps

any SH bros use wireless backhaul on 240mhz? Is it powerful? Or BE85 users

240mhz doesn’t work on eb810v if using as normal client ap broadcast

@kashix @matique

Never tried using wireless backhaul. For my parent's place here's the setup i've been using:

Nokia ONR 10gbe > (bridge mode) > EB810V living room (router) > patch box > 10gbe to EB810V bedroom (ap mode) > 10gbe desktop.

 

[xiaofan]

Be85 and eb810v on paper have 240mhz on 5ghz, can link at 8.6gbps

any SH bros use wireless backhaul on 240mhz? Is it powerful? Or BE85 users

240mhz doesn’t work on eb810v if using as normal client ap broadcast

@kashix @matique

Actually here in Singapore. it is better just to forget about 240MHz channel bandwidth (EHT240) on the 5GHz band which TP-Link likes to claim.

EHT240 is more possible for MLO (if it works) with 5GHz-1 and 5GHz-2 band, for example, when using QCNCM865 WiFi adapter with Xiaomi BE10000 (triband WiFi 7 router without 6GHz band) and under Windows 11 24H2.
Reference: https://www.acwifi.net/28852.html (article in Chinese).

For routers with single 5GHz band, like TP-Link EB810v, HB810 and Deco BE85, EHT240 is most likely only possible in a lab environment and not really feasible in a typical household in Singapore.

TP-Link likes to claim EHT240 support so that they can call these routers BE22000 instead of BE19000 (like Archer BE800 and Asus RT-BE96), but in reality, just treat the claim of BE22000 as BE1900.

BTW, TP-Link Singapore website actually has conflict info about EB810v. Overview page says BE22000 but spec page says BE19000. The spec page is probably wrong as per TP-Link's intention.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/eb810v/#specifications

Overview page:
BE22000 Tri-Band WiFi: 11520 Mbps (6 GHz, EHT320) + 8640 Mbps (5 GHz, EHT240) + 1376 Mbps (2.4 GHz, EHT40).†△

Spec page:
Signal Rate BE19000
6 GHz: Up to 11520 Mbps (EHT320)
5 GHz: Up to 5760 Mbps (EHT160)
2.4 GHz: Up to 1376 Mbps (EHT40)*

 

[kimsix]

Actually here in Singapore. it is better just to forget about 240MHz channel bandwidth (EHT240) on the 5GHz band which TP-Link likes to claim.

EHT240 is more possible for MLO (if it works) with 5GHz-1 and 5GHz-2 band, for example, when using QCNCM865 WiFi adapter with Xiaomi BE10000 (triband WiFi 7 router without 6GHz band) and under Windows 11 24H2.
Reference: https://www.acwifi.net/28852.html (article in Chinese).

For routers with single 5GHz band, like TP-Link EB810v, HB810 and Deco BE85, EHT240 is most likely only possible in a lab environment and not really feasible in a typical household in Singapore.

TP-Link likes to claim EHT240 support so that they can call these routers BE22000 instead of BE19000 (like Archer BE800 and Asus RT-BE96), but in reality, just treat the claim of BE22000 as BE1900.

BTW, TP-Link Singapore website actually has conflict info about EB810v. Overview page says BE22000 but spec page says BE19000. The spec page is probably wrong as per TP-Link's intention.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/eb810v/#specifications

Overview page:
BE22000 Tri-Band WiFi: 11520 Mbps (6 GHz, EHT320) + 8640 Mbps (5 GHz, EHT240) + 1376 Mbps (2.4 GHz, EHT40).†△

Spec page:
Signal Rate BE19000
6 GHz: Up to 11520 Mbps (EHT320)
5 GHz: Up to 5760 Mbps (EHT160)
2.4 GHz: Up to 1376 Mbps (EHT40)*

Yep the 240mhz is available in eb810v.

But i think It is for wireless backhaul. Mesh 5ghz at 240mhz on paper should work very well for our hdb size

 

[xiaofan]

Yep the 240mhz is available in eb810v.

But i think It is for wireless backhaul. Mesh 5ghz at 240mhz on paper should work very well for our hdb size

I know it is theorectically possible if MRU and Puncturing work well. But in reality it is really difficult to get that working in the real world in Singapore, no matter for backhaul or fronthaul.

You can try it to see if you are able to have PHY Link speed higher than 2882 Mbps (160MHz channel bandwidth) on the 5GHz band, without using MLO.

Multi-Resource Units (MRU) and Puncturing
https://www.asus.com/sg/content/wifi7/

 

[orangbulu]

Any opinions on the Ugreen switches on Taobao, or am I better off getting from a more reputable brand. Considering the 8x 2.5G switch

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?f...9537/202410.item.d727444613898.7bf27484uA1n9J

 

[xiaofan]

Any opinions on the Ugreen switches on Taobao, or am I better off getting from a more reputable brand. Considering the 8x 2.5G switch

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?from=cart&id=727444613898&skuId=5707550442104&spm=a1z0d.6639537/202410.item.d727444613898.7bf27484uA1n9J

Ugreen is not famous for 2.5G switch or even 1G switch and three are basically no reviews from Chinese websites (let alone English internation review sites). It is probably better to go with brands like Hasivo or Xikestor or TP-Link China.

But the price seems to be right for CM7533 (5 2.5G ports plus one SFP+ port).
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a21dvs.23580594.0.0.621e2c1bYO1wtX&id=818975747340

1) 2.5G switches with 10G uplink from Hasivo.
https://www.hasivo.com/ProductInfoCategory?categoryId=187850&PageInfoId=0

2) Offerings from Xikestor/Seeker.
https://www.seekswan.com/
https://xikestor.com/index.htm

3) TP-Link China switch offerings (many types)
https://www.tp-link.com.cn/product_cat_switch.html

 

[xiaofan]

This thread will talk about WiFi and Network configuration for 5Gbps/6Gbps/10Gbps plans now that they are getting popular.

Take note it is difficult to fully utlize the 5Gbps or 8.2Gbps (typical max bandwidth for 10Gbps plan) purely using wireless devices. So it is better to have at least one 5Gbps/10Gbps capable wired devices. Then you can use 10G/5G or even 2.5G/1G capable wireless AP with the 5Gbps/6Gbps/10Gbps plan.

There is also nothing wrong to use the 5Gbps/10Gbps plans as a pure 2.5Gbps or even pure 1Gbps plan, but this thread will not cover those use cases.

One example issue commonly faced by new users of 5Gbps/10Gbps users, especially for ONT users from the cheaper ONT based plans which does not come with a router (eg: Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer, SIMBA 10Gbps offer and Viewquest 10Gbps no-frillsr plan).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/starhub-ultraspeed-5gbps-plan-launched.7024290/page-68

Need some help guys.

I recently signed up for the starhub 5gb internet with ont offer. I have hooked it up to my Asus ax6000 with Aimesh to an ax3000p in one of the bedrooms.

What I have come to realize is that there is no way to get speeds >2.5gbps at the Asus ax6000 because of the single connection from the ont’s 10gbps port to its 2.5gbps port.

Is there anyway to get faster speeds without buying another 10gbps wifi router?

Thanks!

You need to properly consider what exactly you are trying to achieve.
Do you really have a requirement for >2.5gbps ? If so, where do you need that ?
Does the clients have >2.5gbps capability ? If not are you prepared make the necessary upgrades ?

For a wired firewall you can use a spare PC and add either a dual 10gbps nic or 2x 5gbps nic (dual port 5gbps does not yet exist afaik) at minimum cost, but you still have the switch & wireless part to consider.
How much more does that adds depends on what you have to connect up and how fast do you want to go.

Going above 2.5gbps is definitely diminishing returns unless you have a real need.
There is a good chance you might not observe any improvement other than doing speedtest after spending all that money.

Currently 2.5gbps is more or less the highest you can go without breaking the bank, given that 5gbps equipment are hard to come by. That might change soon with realtek recent introduction of a number of 5gbps components, but until then your options at a budget is 2.5gbps or old EOL 10gbps gear.

IMHO, unless you have a working 10Gbps LAN, >=2.5gbps WAN is probably not going to be of much real use.
How many are able to sustain real world traffic throughput >=2.5gbps, not counting speedtest ?
If all you want is to have a kick of good speedtest performance and is willing to spend for it, you would not have entered this discussion in the first place.

 

[xiaofan]

1) 2x2 WiFi 7 client with 320MHz channel bandwidth and 4096QAM on 6GHz band --> 5764 Mbps PHY LInk speed, real world wireless speed will usually below 4Gbps; >3Gbps speed is considered as very good.

2) 2x2 WiFi 6/6E/7 client with 160MHz channel bandwidth and 4096QAM on 5GHz/6GHz band --> 2882 Mbps PHY Link Speed, real world wireless speed will usually below 2Gbps; > 1.6Gbps speed is considered as very good

1. Best wireless speed reported in this form for Case 1, from kashix.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...-speedtest-and-wifi-7-adapters.7048233/page-4

2. Best wireless speed reported in this form for Case 2, from deepakmayekar.

Asus TUF-BE6500 router, Intel BE200 WiFi 7 adapter.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-tuf-be3600.6952409/page-10#post-153501129

3. You will usually get lower speed than the above. Far range wireless speed will be even lower.

4. More discussions about wireless speed.

WiFi 7 device speedtest results
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...reless-speedtest-and-wifi-7-adapters.7048233/

Why is WiFi performance only 60-70% of what they claim?​

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...rmance-only-60-70-of-what-they-claim.7006382/

 

[xiaofan]

Wired vs Wireless Internet speed improvement when you move from 1Gbps to 5Gbps or 10Gbps plan.

Wired speed --> from 940Mbps to near 5Gbps (for 5Gbps plan) or 8.2 Gbps (10Gbps plan), you get 5 times (5Gbps plan) or 8 times the speed (10Gbps plan). This is also not so difficult to get with an average 10G capable router and client.

Wireless speed at close range --> from 800Mbps to about 1.6Gbps to 2Gbps for both 5Gbps/10Gbps plan, you only get 2 or 2.5 times the speed. This wil require good WiFi 6/6E client at close range.

Or you can get 4 times the speed (3.2Gbps) if you have WiFi 7 router with 6GHz band (and 5G or 10G WAN port). This wil require good WiFi 7 client (320MHz channel bandwidth at 6GHz band) at close range.

 

[xiaofan]

My own recent test results (yesterday and today).

1. Good WiFi speed with 1Gbps internet (wired speed is about 947Mbps download/upload).

Acer Swift 3 (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU, 16GB/512GB, built-in Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter), 4m away from Asus TUF-BE6500 router.

2. Good WiFi speed for my Singtel 5Gbps plan (wired speed is 5.6Gbps download and 4.9Gbps upload)

Acer Swift Go 14 OLED 2024 model, Intel Core Ultra 125H CPU and Intel Killer BE1750xWiFi 7 adapter (Intel BE200 chipset based).
Asus TUF-BE6500 dual band WiFi 7 router, close range (50 cm).

 

[WaterDrinker]

My own recent test results (yesterday and today).

1. Good WiFi speed with 1Gbps internet (wired speed is about 947Mbps download/upload).

Acer Swift 3 (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU, 16GB/512GB, built-in Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter), 4m away from Asus TUF-BE6500 router.

2. Good WiFi speed for my Singtel 5Gbps plan (wired speed is 5.6Gbps download and 4.9Gbps upload)

Acer Swift Go 14 OLED 2024 model, Intel Core Ultra 125H CPU and Intel Killer BE1750xWiFi 7 adapter (Intel BE200 chipset based).
Asus TUF-BE6500 dual band WiFi 7 router, close range (50 cm).

whats the difference between be200 and killer be1750? Im wondering if its worth the extra price

 

[RayRay0]

My own recent test results (yesterday and today).

1. Good WiFi speed with 1Gbps internet (wired speed is about 947Mbps download/upload).

Acer Swift 3 (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU, 16GB/512GB, built-in Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter), 4m away from Asus TUF-BE6500 router.

2. Good WiFi speed for my Singtel 5Gbps plan (wired speed is 5.6Gbps download and 4.9Gbps upload)

Acer Swift Go 14 OLED 2024 model, Intel Core Ultra 125H CPU and Intel Killer BE1750xWiFi 7 adapter (Intel BE200 chipset based).
Asus TUF-BE6500 dual band WiFi 7 router, close range (50 cm).

Is Asus TUF-BE6500 a China version? Asus SG put out of stock in their website, but both Lazada and Shopee say ship from China

 

[xiaofan]

whats the difference between be200 and killer be1750? Im wondering if its worth the extra price

Totally not worth the extra money.

Intel Killer BE1750 is based on BE200 chipset and has some extra SW features which may kiil the WiFi performance.

 

[xiaofan]

whats the difference between be200 and killer be1750? Im wondering if its worth the extra price

TUF-BE6500 now has local version. Previously it was only available from China.

IMHO local version is not really worth the high price, even with 3 year HW warranty.

 

[hoohoohaahaa]

Is there anything I can do to boost steam download and use more than 2gbps on steam? my speedtest shows 8.2gbps download and 4gbps to 7.2Gbps upload
got all the stuff but do i need to upgrade pc parts?
what should i be looking for?
using VQ 10Gbps plan
connected via cat 7 cable directly from Eero 7 Max router to add-on NIC card ASUS XG C100C
cpu is 100% at 145w (maxed at 181w, i5-13600kf)
ssd at 45% to 94%~

 

[xiaofan]

Is there anything I can do to boost steam download and use more than 2gbps on steam? my speedtest shows 8.2gbps download and 4gbps to 7.2Gbps upload
got all the stuff but do i need to upgrade pc parts?
what should i be looking for?

Nothing much you can do.

Steam download is limited by the server and may also your system.

Even if you upgrade the system to the best, you may not hit above 2.4Gbps due to the server limitations.

 

[lobukong]

Is there anything I can do to boost steam download and use more than 2gbps on steam? my speedtest shows 8.2gbps download and 4gbps to 7.2Gbps upload
got all the stuff but do i need to upgrade pc parts?
what should i be looking for?
using VQ 10Gbps plan
connected via cat 7 cable directly from Eero 7 Max router to add-on NIC card ASUS XG C100C
cpu is 100% at 145w (maxed at 181w, i5-13600kf)
ssd at 45% to 94%~

If you see your CPU at 100% then that is a bottleneck. Maybe can upgrade the CPU.
But the best result in forum is about 2.2G. No much difference.

 

[YWCLeeZeroSix]

Currently both my F8648P ONR and AX86U Router have DHCP on. Is there any harm in leaving them both on? Do I need to turn off DHCP for one of them?

 

[xiaofan]

Currently both my F8648P ONR and AX86U Router have DHCP on. Is there any harm in leaving them both on? Do I need to turn off DHCP for one of them?

If you use your RT-AX86U in router mode, then you have Double NAT. Depending on your use cases, you may or may not be affected by Doublt NAT.

My use cases are not affected by Double NAT so I use my RT-AX86U in router mode. That being said, I could not get Asus Instant Guard to work any more compared to last time when I was using ONT.

Double NAT:
https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-double-NAT-and-why-is-it-bad
https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/6277579?hl=en-SG

One potential issue is that devices connected to the ONR may not be able to see devices connected to the RT-AX86U.