Windows ARM laptops

[stanlawj]

The latest Intel ultra 7 155H has very low idle consumption. Maybe can give arm a run for money?

nope... intel meteor lake CPUs are still power hogs.

 

[chaiscool]

The latest Intel ultra 7 155H has very low idle consumption. Maybe can give arm a run for money?

Nah now just wait for lunarlake liao, maybe can fight but need to see real world testing.

 

[watzup_ken]

nope... intel meteor lake CPUs are still power hogs.

At idle or running videos, the battery is actually decent. I got one for my wife for work, so I can confirm. I am not sure if it lasts longer than an ARM based Windows laptop, but based on my experience with the M1 MacBook Air previously, the battery life on that MBA is insane and unmatched. I recalled watching Youtube using the speakers for 2 hours, and battery % only dropped by 3%.

 

[stanlawj]

At idle or running videos, the battery is actually decent. I got one for my wife for work, so I can confirm. I am not sure if it lasts longer than an ARM based Windows laptop, but based on my experience with the M1 MacBook Air previously, the battery life on that MBA is insane and unmatched. I recalled watching Youtube using the speakers for 2 hours, and battery % only dropped by 3%.

Intel Meteor Lake CPUs rely a lot on Intel TVB to make up for the performance deficit. The moment you force sustained performance tasks, the battery life drops drastically.

Basically, what I see is a CPU architecture with lots of band-aids to make it mobile-friendly. Even with all these band-aids like TVB, Thread-director, QuickSync, it still fails to match Apple Silicon. In standby or idle, x86 still consumes too much power to maintain its persistence. Which means, the x86-64 can't work for mobile. It's time to lay it to rest.

 

[xiaofan]

Intel Meteor Lake CPUs rely a lot on Intel TVB to make up for the performance deficit. The moment you force sustained performance tasks, the battery life drops drastically.
Basically, what I see is a CPU architecture with lots of band-aids to make it mobile-friendly. Even with all these band-aids like TVB, Thread-director, QuickSync, it still fails to match Apple Silicon. In standby or idle, x86 still consumes too much power to maintain its persistence. Which means, the x86-64 can't work for mobile. It's time to lay it to rest.

Probably next gen Intel Lunar Lake will be better since the CPU/GPU will be produced in TSMC with more advanced manufacturing technology. After that, hopefully Intel in-house manufacturing will catch up.

With Microsoft's bad track record for Windows on ARM64, I am not positive about Windows on ARM64. I tend to believe many buyers in this thread will regret soon. Apple Silicon Macs are much better if you want ARM64.

x86-64 will be there for a long time.

 

[stanlawj]

Adobe Lightroom performance comparison:
Surface Pro 11 tablet dethrones the M4 Ipad Pro.

 

[stanlawj]

Ryzen 9 HX 370 practically matches Qualcomm's ARM laptops and outperforms in gaming.

 

[watzup_ken]

Intel Meteor Lake CPUs rely a lot on Intel TVB to make up for the performance deficit. The moment you force sustained performance tasks, the battery life drops drastically.

Basically, what I see is a CPU architecture with lots of band-aids to make it mobile-friendly. Even with all these band-aids like TVB, Thread-director, QuickSync, it still fails to match Apple Silicon. In standby or idle, x86 still consumes too much power to maintain its persistence. Which means, the x86-64 can't work for mobile. It's time to lay it to rest.

Yes, this is correct. Under sustained load, the battery life drops quite fast. I think this is typical of Intel to try to boost its CPU under load.

 

[watzup_ken]

Ryzen 9 HX 370 practically matches Qualcomm's ARM laptops and outperforms in gaming.

If the new AMD chips live up to their hype, then I think it’s GG for Qualcomm. The latter may have great battery life, but the AMD solution offers a great compromise between battery, performance and without any of the compatibility issues on ARM now.

 

[xiaofan]

If the new AMD chips live up to their hype, then I think it’s GG for Qualcomm. The latter may have great battery life, but the AMD solution offers a great compromise between battery, performance and without any of the compatibility issues on ARM now.

Indeed AMD is in a good position now.

We cannot write off Intel either with Lunar Lake and beyond where Intel will catch up on the IC manufacturing process technology side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Lake?wprov=sfla1

Lunar Lake is the first processor design by Intel where all logic dies are entirely fabricated on external nodes outsourced to TSMC.

 

[xiaofan]

nope... intel meteor lake CPUs are still power hogs.

It depends on your use case.

I just bought an Acer Swift Go 14 OLED with Ultra 125H for my wife (16GB/1TB) to replace her old Acer Swift 3 2017 model with Intel Core i5-8250U CPU.

This is more suitable for her simple use cases than either Apple silicon laptop or the Qualcomm Windows ARM laptop.

I am still using my Apple Mac Mini M1 2020 base model and an Acer Swift 2021 model with Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU (16GB/512GB, dual boot Windows 11/Ubuntu Linux). They are still good for my use cases (typical simple use cases, plus cross platform Open Source projects testing, no gaming). But I may get a new Windows laptop next year, either AMD Ryzen AI300 or Intel Lunar Lake based.

 

[stanlawj]

If the new AMD chips live up to their hype, then I think it’s GG for Qualcomm. The latter may have great battery life, but the AMD solution offers a great compromise between battery, performance and without any of the compatibility issues on ARM now.

Not so fast. The sleep/standby was not tested.
From the looks of it, gonna be bad as usual.

Currently, ARM laptops can sleep properly like a phone and not lose battery power as much as Intel or AMD laptops.

 

[watzup_ken]

Not so fast. The sleep/standby was not tested.
From the looks of it, gonna be bad as usual.

Currently, ARM laptops can sleep properly like a phone and not lose battery power as much as Intel or AMD laptops.

I don't or very rarely use sleep/standby with Windows based machines. With Macs like my former M1 MBA, yes. The former tend to be unreliable, i.e. after waking the system up from sleep, some functions don't work well. It may be a combination of software and hardware that's causing the problem.

 

[joesph]

acer $1.7k why they always can sell cheaper? think touchscreen. courts heeren. 10 sets. no display

 

[joesph]

saw two surface pro 11 at heeren oled with new keyboard with copilot key but the pen holder hidden and keys not rubbery. the new flex keyboard i didn't see

 

[watzup_ken]

acer $1.7k why they always can sell cheaper? think touchscreen. courts heeren. 10 sets. no display

Acer tends to compete on price, so it is not uncommon to find their products cheaper. But 1 thing you need to consider is after sales service. For example, Lenovo may cost more sometimes because they may offer longer on site repair service. For Acer, they offer mostly carry in warranty by default. For Microsoft Surface, you are paying nothing more than the brand in my opinion.

 

[stanlawj]

Jump to 6min 39s to see the performance vs power curve for mobile CPUs: Apple M3 vs Ryzen 9 vs Ryzen 7 vs Qualcomm vs Intel Meteor Lake (Core Ultra).



Ryzen 9 matches Qualcomm

 

[stanlawj]

Surface Pro 11

 

[matrix05]

Jump to 6min 39s to see the performance vs power curve for mobile CPUs: Apple M3 vs Ryzen 9 vs Ryzen 7 vs Qualcomm vs Intel Meteor Lake (Core Ultra).



Ryzen 9 matches Qualcomm

SD entry giving Intel lots of pressure.

 

[joesph]

i got many hwz forum thread tabs to open, last time my sp9 the fan will blow hard, sp11 no fan although if the china app weixin video call the fan blow hard. other than that fan never blows