Working Shoe for Young Exec - Part 3

[MookieTea]

Any bros knows if Saphir renovateur can be used on white leather?

 

[thltetek]

If you need your shoes to shine for an event and this is the first time you are doing it. Will recommend you get a pro to do it.

It is not as easy as to seems to be and does take quite an effort to get it right, often after many practices to get that mirror shine.

Totally agree. Tried doing for a brand new pair of shoes previously, and took me so long to achieve a decent level of shine. New leather always take longer time and is harder to absorb the creme and wax.

 

[thltetek]

Any bros knows if Saphir renovateur can be used on white leather?

It shouldn't be an issue I guess, as long it's genuine leather.

 

[darthsid11111]

If your shoes are genuine leather saphir might be a waste

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[d4rkw1sH]

If you need your shoes to shine for an event and this is the first time you are doing it. Will recommend you get a pro to do it.

It is not as easy as to seems to be and does take quite an effort to get it right, often after many practices to get that mirror shine.

Totally agree. Tried doing for a brand new pair of shoes previously, and took me so long to achieve a decent level of shine. New leather always take longer time and is harder to absorb the creme and wax.

ah time is not on my side probably would not get that high level shine. last time i did it was during ns with the kiwi provided lol

 

[thltetek]

ah time is not on my side probably would not get that high level shine. last time i did it was during ns with the kiwi provided lol

I see. Maybe you can send them to The Quarters or Mason and Smith to get them shine it for you. Both should have similar fast turnaround time. Only did with TQ before, and they were able to return the nicely shined shoes the next day.

 

[thltetek]

If your shoes are genuine leather saphir might be a waste

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You mean not genuine leather?

 

[theblueark]

You mean not genuine leather?

Genuine leather refers to the lowest quality leather. They take all the lousy leftover scrap leather pieces and glue them together. It's just one small step above faux leather.

Darth is saying saphir is wasted on this kind of leather.

 

[wiz]

Just one day? Nice !

I see. Maybe you can send them to The Quarters or Mason and Smith to get them shine it for you. Both should have similar fast turnaround time. Only did with TQ before, and they were able to return the nicely shined shoes the next day.

 

[darthsid11111]

ah time is not on my side probably would not get that high level shine. last time i did it was during ns with the kiwi provided lol

I strongly reccomend Mason & Smith. They have pickup services at a nominal fee and a world champion shoe shiner.

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[cokiee]

Darth, would you know what the scoring was like to be a world champion? That sounds interesting!

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[darthsid11111]

I have no idea man. What little I gathered were from press releases and articles like these:

http://shoegazing.se/english/2018/04/15/report-from-the-london-super-trunk-show-2018/

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[thundermarch]

Genuine leather refers to the lowest quality leather. They take all the lousy leftover scrap leather pieces and glue them together. It's just one small step above faux leather.

Technically, the correct term you are looking for is "leatherboard".

Strictly speaking, "genuine leather" is a generic term that just means the material is derived from tanning the hide of an animal. It does not have any strict, specific implication on the actual quality of the leather. In other words, full grain leather is genuine leather, corrected grain leather is also genuine leather, embossed grain leather is also genuine leather, reverse calf suede is also genuine leather, split suedes are also genuine leather... Etc.

In fact, one should think of the terms "genuine leather" and simply "leather" as interchangeable.

 

[theblueark]

Technically, the correct term you are looking for is "leatherboard".

Strictly speaking, "genuine leather" is a generic term that just means the material is derived from tanning the hide of an animal. It does not have any strict, specific implication on the actual quality of the leather. In other words, full grain leather is genuine leather, corrected grain leather is also genuine leather, embossed grain leather is also genuine leather, reverse calf suede is also genuine leather, split suedes are also genuine leather... Etc.

In fact, one should think of the terms "genuine leather" and simply "leather" as interchangeable.

Hmm technically, yes. But in practice, that’s how those 2 words put together have come to be in use in the leather industry, so much so that it’s a rarity for someone who uses full or top grain leather to market their leather as genuine leather.

 

[d4rkw1sH]

If your shoes are genuine leather saphir might be a waste

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hmmm its from EEA lion and the star

 

[darthsid11111]

Hmm technically, yes. But in practice, that’s how those 2 words put together have come to be in use in the leather industry, so much so that it’s a rarity for someone who uses full or top grain leather to market their leather as genuine leather.

Great clarification!

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[thundermarch]

Hmm technically, yes. But in practice, that’s how those 2 words put together have come to be in use in the leather industry, so much so that it’s a rarity for someone who uses full or top grain leather to market their leather as genuine leather.

Well, I don't mean to be argumentative, and first of all, you are absolutely right. No offence meant to you.

Though I must say that wasn't the point of my post. Naturally, full grain leather isn't "marketed" as "genuine leather". Nor am I suggesting that it should (or needs to) be.

But what you've brought up here is an interesting point.

The term "genuine leather" has evolved through time. And in this current day, in certain situations, it is a misnomer at best. When it is used to refer to what is "leatherboard", it is essentially confusing / misleading and imprecise to say the least. Especially since there is already a proper technical term for it. So people will generally be confused, like @th1tetek was (at no fault of his).

It probably started out as a marketing strategy to sell a product as something that well, probably is only marginally close at best. For those like you who are in the know, you'll know what it actually is. For those who are uninformed or relatively new, they will probably be misled by the attractive looking "genuine leather" tag.

But in fact, the term might not be universally recognised as referring to leatherboard. An example would be let's say... An Italian handwelted maker "X". Where you would not uncommonly find the stamp "Vera Cuoio" on the outsole. Translated, it means "real" or "genuine" leather. And chances are, it is an actual cowhide, not leatherboard.

I find it a somewhat similar scenario to how the Italians tend to refer to handwelting as "Goodyear fatto e mano", or "Goodyear made by hand". Which is also a technically incorrect term that somehow evolved to be as such, but in this case, they are doing themselves a disservice (or service, depending on how you see it).

Anyway, good point. And I do agree that nomenclature can be quite confusing to the uninitiated.

 

[arcfire]

I had assumed that "genuine leather" just meant that it is actual leather and not synthetics. I don't think there was any intention of using the term "genuine leather" to indicate the quality of the leather (perhaps a long time ago before synthetic leather became common?).

So in a way, leatherboard is "genuine leather" because it is real leather, so to speak.

Somewhat like the term "bespoke" being overused in tailoring marketing talk.

 

[thundermarch]

Well, arc, your interpretation of the term "genuine leather" is actually spot on. It's how most people would intuitively and naturally understand the term.

Somehow, I am guessing that manufacturers of leatherboard started referring to their product as "genuine leather". Perhaps as a way of capitalising on this very aspect of human intuition. And it caught on.

Ironically though, while the term is true in that it is not a pure synthetic.... Strictly speaking, it's probably only marginally "leather-like". In that it's not from a continuous single hide, so it has no grain surface to speak of, and no continuous fibre mat. It's basically glued leather scraps. Somewhat like particle board VS wood.

To put things simply. I think there are 2 scenarios.

1) We use "genuine leather" as an umbrella term referring to non synthetic leather products. And we call leatherboard specifically "leatherboard", which is actually a "grey" product.

2) We refer to "genuine leather" as specifically pertaining to "leatherboard" to the exclusion of other leather products. Which may cause confusion.

That being said, since we do not live in a world of black and white, perhaps the most important thing is that consumers are aware of BOTH scenarios, to be truly informed.

 

[d4rkw1sH]

heres another question! show shoelace or have them hidden?