Working Shoe for Young Exec

[J.T.M.]

Rest assured I'm not trolling I guess they don't show up very well due to my lousy camera skill I guess...

Here's a highlight, I'm not sure how wearing the shoe will result in the bumps going away as it's more of a result of how the leather was stretched on the toe box?

I think if you're unhappy with the product you should just exchange it. However having said that, the lining is atrocious, whoever did it was either drunk or sleepy. Terrible QC even for this price-point.

 

[SquallLH]

Which is why I said factory 3rd!!!
AE factory 2nd cannot sell due to more imperfections so go amazon, or those totally past season stocks.

Is there really an AE 3rd line? Considering the fact that these shoes sell for more than the 2 for 250 seconds. Quality quite shocking when compared with the Morgans I bought in store... Don't shop with Amazon?

I think if you're unhappy with the product you should just exchange it. However having said that, the lining is atrocious, whoever did it was either drunk or sleepy. Terrible QC even for this price-point.

Think you're the only one who picked up on the lining issue from the pics. Same thoughts I had when I opened the box...

 

[patryn33]

I think if you're unhappy with the product you should just exchange it. However having said that, the lining is atrocious, whoever did it was either drunk or sleepy. Terrible QC even for this price-point.

What's the price?? I don't think he paid usd$325 for it.
On amazon it's usd$188. If so it's more trolling, buy from other brands loh.. If a brand off load it to amazon and ship free overseas... Hmm....brain

 

[patryn33]

Is there really an AE 3rd line? Considering the fact that these shoes sell for more than the 2 for 250 seconds. Quality quite shocking when compared with the Morgans I bought in store... Don't shop with Amazon?

2 for 250 factory 2nd deals is a big hit and miss u get complains on forum too. That doesn't happen every time. As the quality of the factory 2nd improves the prices are not low. Last sale the cheapest is at usd$180! When I walk into the WA factory I find deals as low as $129 and the pair I got stock come from boutique not factory 2nd store!

 

[J.T.M.]

What's the price?? I don't think he paid usd$325 for it.
On amazon it's usd$188. If so it's more trolling, buy from other brands loh.. If a brand off load it to amazon and ship free overseas... Hmm....brain

I don't know how much you earn but even if its a sub $200 shoe you shouldnt be accepting defects which are this bad.

 

[SquallLH]

What's the price?? I don't think he paid usd$325 for it.
On amazon it's usd$188. If so it's more trolling, buy from other brands loh.. If a brand off load it to amazon and ship free overseas... Hmm....brain

The previous sale I think this sapienza was selling at 30% off 325 In AE's portal which is around 240. At my size on amazon the price was 200. Does it mean that since I paid at slightly discounted price off sale price I should expect quality below factory 2nd rejects?

Plus you mentioned that you were able to get AE firsts at sub 150 prices in the WA factory so I'm not sure what's the issue here. I was wondering if I'm justified in asking for a return but got labelled as trolling because I was expecting decent quality for a pair of AE first?

Note that no one ever said on SF, AAAC or here that Amazon are selling 3rd class AE shoes as compare to the more well know fact that Nordstrom rack are selling AE factory seconds.

Edited: BTW, I was in USA when they shipped the shoes to me and you can see that they don't do overseas shipping with this pair of shoes... I'm sorry that I want more value/quality for my shoes.

 

[archangle13]

Rest assured I'm not trolling I guess they don't show up very well due to my lousy camera skill I guess...

Here's a highlight, I'm not sure how wearing the shoe will result in the bumps going away as it's more of a result of how the leather was stretched on the toe box?

I'm talking about the 'flaws' on the outsole. I didn't even see anything on the upper until now. To me, minor flaws on the upper of a pair of black shoes can be ignored. I mean, they are black...

 

[xtwis7]

The lining cannot be overlooked. The rest of the shoes can still close one eye. It's like Bata shoes got even better lining than this pair man.

 

[patryn33]

The previous sale I think this sapienza was selling at 30% off 325 In AE's portal which is around 240. At my size on amazon the price was 200. Does it mean that since I paid at slightly discounted price off sale price I should expect quality below factory 2nd rejects?

Plus you mentioned that you were able to get AE firsts at sub 150 prices in the WA factory so I'm not sure what's the issue here. I was wondering if I'm justified in asking for a return but got labelled as trolling because I was expecting decent quality for a pair of AE first?

Note that no one ever said on SF, AAAC or here that Amazon are selling 3rd class AE shoes as compare to the more well know fact that Nordstrom rack are selling AE factory seconds.

Edited: BTW, I was in USA when they shipped the shoes to me and you can see that they don't do overseas shipping with this pair of shoes... I'm sorry that I want more value/quality for my shoes.

everyone wanted more quality and less money. Don't have to be sorry.
ppl on styleforum usually go direct to Factory Seconds why do Amazon esp they are in states.

sapienza was on sale for US$293 not $225, not all shoes get 30%. its up to 30%. Hey just return it since it bug u so much. When AE off load their factory 2nds to stores like Amazon and Nordstorm, one may get lesser quality of much older stocks since they cannot move them. I would expect lesser quality.
when I can get shoes at sub 150 in AE factory, they are priced to move and they moved. if priced to move still cannot move and have to let go to sell at Amazon etc what u think leh?

@ xtwis7
I can over look linings, esp when shoe is at US$129 and retail is US$325. wear pants its covering it up. Sitting behind a desk no one see 50% of me anyway. No one can tell if linings is poor. oh. I don't have close korean pals that will make me take off my shoes to inspect them to see they are real or inferior quality! LOL

 

[patryn33]

I don't know how much you earn but even if its a sub $200 shoe you shouldnt be accepting defects which are this bad.

then return loh.. amazon accepts return what. amazon want to make $$, U think free shipping and the possibility of return cost is not built into the cost of the shoe? lol

different ppl have different expectation. I am cheap I don't pay above $180 for my shoes.

AE makes shoes like clock work, buy direct strict QC no worries. Buy from non AE store, how to guarantee quality. Are we asking AE to throw/destroy these shoes so they don't flood the market and make their boutique shoes cost more?

 

[Carnage]

I think the interior lining bothers me more than anything on the exterior. If he can accept it, then I don't see how the exterior should be an issue.

I'm surprised the workmanship is so shoddy though (could be a lemon). Otherwise, my opinion is just wear it. Don't bother returning unless you are confident of the odds of getting a better pair.

 

[dark_aLLeY]

How would better grade Meermin compare to their Primaute range?

I've seen the Primaute range, leather quality is all better than their regular $300 RTW. The salesperson told me they uses poland calf, hence the higher price. The salesperson told me it's $600, maybe you can give a call to confirm.

For Meermin, they had Linea Maestro series, whereby they use french calf and shell cordovan(equine leather; horse skin) at $230 & $320 euro (inclu. VAT).

 

[Carnage]

Eh I thought primaute line uses annonay leather. Same tannery that supplies hides to Hermes.

Tannerie d'Annonay, un savoir-faire, une renomm mondiale...

 

[dark_aLLeY]

Eh I thought primaute line uses annonay leather. Same tannery that supplies hides to Hermes.

Tannerie d'Annonay, un savoir-faire, une renomm mondiale...

Means also french(European) calf?

 

[PetiaC]

Don't think try...
I tried on my belt it works great.. It cleans a little and it doesn't strip oil. Pure urban legend. It's not a real soap.

It is a real soap made with glycerine. Very similar to the Neutrogena transparent soap bar. There is some nourishing ingredients. Depends on the actual formulation.

Mink oil not tried yet, let u know when I find out. Those saphir products contain mink oil so key is apply the right amount.

There are real mink oil and fake mink oil. The ones sold as leather care product is usually made of pork fats or synthetic. The real mink oil is a by product of fur industry in China. Very cruel

Saphir uses mink oil as part of the ingredient is not 100% mink oil. If you use mink oil on your shoes upper, the fats wills saturate the leather and it will be impossible to take a shine. Same for other greasy products like Dubblin and Obeanuf Heavy Duty.

 

[Carnage]

Means also french(European) calf?

To be fair, Poland is also european leather.

And yes, I thought the primaute line used french full grain calf leather. Maybe I'm mistaken, you could check with edetal website again.

 

[runforyourlife]

Yes, I also think their sizing chart is not too accurate.
Anyway I got 2 of these brand new size M for sale at cost. Can test before buying.

Mine size 39 can fit m not ah?

 

[yang86]

anyone wears 42 for Edetal?
What Woodlore's Men's Epic Twin-Tube Shoe Tree size do you use?
Thanks in advance!

 

[dark_aLLeY]

To be fair, Poland is also european leather.

And yes, I thought the primaute line used french full grain calf leather. Maybe I'm mistaken, you could check with edetal website again.

Yes, so my point is... if Primaute is $400, it's still reasonable. If it's $600, might as well get the meermin french calf (Eur $230) or top up abit to get the cordovan shoes.

 

[SquallLH]

everyone wanted more quality and less money. Don't have to be sorry.
ppl on styleforum usually go direct to Factory Seconds why do Amazon esp they are in states.

sapienza was on sale for US$293 not $225, not all shoes get 30%. its up to 30%. Hey just return it since it bug u so much. When AE off load their factory 2nds to stores like Amazon and Nordstorm, one may get lesser quality of much older stocks since they cannot move them. I would expect lesser quality.
when I can get shoes at sub 150 in AE factory, they are priced to move and they moved. if priced to move still cannot move and have to let go to sell at Amazon etc what u think leh?

@ xtwis7
I can over look linings, esp when shoe is at US$129 and retail is US$325. wear pants its covering it up. Sitting behind a desk no one see 50% of me anyway. No one can tell if linings is poor. oh. I don't have close korean pals that will make me take off my shoes to inspect them to see they are real or inferior quality! LOL

I think the interior lining bothers me more than anything on the exterior. If he can accept it, then I don't see how the exterior should be an issue.

I'm surprised the workmanship is so shoddy though (could be a lemon). Otherwise, my opinion is just wear it. Don't bother returning unless you are confident of the odds of getting a better pair.

I found the leather quality to be below par (i.e. that includes the leather lining) so I'm definitely not okay with it but posted the pictures here just to see if anyone encounters similar situations/quality before and their thoughts on them.

I'm also surprised that AE did not mark this down as a factory second/rejects/whatnot which is normally what they do in such cases. (marking the sole/box label with a W/a sole/FR marking) before they send it to Amazon.

My beef is more with Amazon than AE. Just cause they sell it below market price does not mean customers should expect below par quality esp. considering that they did not mark it as factory seconds/factory rejects. It's altogether a different thing if they did mention the quality of their stock is lower hence the lower price to commiserate with the lower quality. I think my issues are more on the matter of mis-representation than anything else. I'll be shipping it back to Amazon, will probably not buy from them again for shoes.

Appreciate all the opinions, not so much the condescending tones by some but all in all cheers...