YTD 2026 Networth tracking thread

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There are assumptions in equating net worth to the stock's last transacted price.
Of course, I will still use it like everyone else, but I'm just highlighting the assumptions in this methodology.
Diversification is one of the solution to minimise this liquidity problem (finding enough motivated buyers).

I dun think this is a problem for anyone here, not even dereth with his 7m all in on AVGO. It’s simply not large enough for liquidity to matter.

Diversification is always good, but not for the reasons Ray was talking about. We diversify because nobody knows which companies will do well in the future…
 

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I dun think this is a problem for anyone here, not even dereth with his 7m all in on AVGO. It’s simply not large enough for liquidity to matter.
It's only a problem if one is investing significant amts in small caps below USD 1 billion market cap.

Else it's a fair assumption that market value = net worth
 

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I dun think this is a problem for anyone here, not even dereth with his 7m all in on AVGO. It’s simply not large enough for liquidity to matter.

Diversification is always good, but not for the reasons Ray was talking about. We diversify because nobody knows which companies will do well in the future…
It's only a problem if one is investing significant amts in small caps below USD 1 billion market cap.

Else it's a fair assumption that market value = net worth
Some of you will eventually become big boys and join the UHNWI club too.
 

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how much stonks will be a good indication that you can be financially free in SG? 1M , 2M?

Tabulate your expenses then see how much you need a month then you can define financial freedom. You can't expect other people to give you a number.
 

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how much stonks will be a good indication that you can be financially free in SG? 1M , 2M?
$2M for simple living.
It used to be $1M pre-covid.
But inflation has cut down SGD$.
So don't be surprised by the 2X increase. Singapore is wedded to the US.
SGD$ continues to be cut down faster next 5 years. So requirement will grow to $3M by then.

For comfortable living: $5M (in 2026).

If you don't believe these numbers, you can try living on less, and don't blame me once your money runs out too early especially when you get hit with a medical issue. Subsidised public healthcare is already too clogged with aging Singaporeans (many took mRNA vaccines), and is no longer acceptable by my standards.

I don't know if anyone also noticed this too: it's not just a simple matter of having enough money/stocks, but also being able to GROW it to outpace REAL inflation (not the bullsh*t inflation based on hedonics).
 
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If you don't believe these numbers, you can try living on less, and don't blame me once your money runs out too early especially when you get hit with a medical issue. Subsidised public healthcare is already too clogged with aging Singaporeans (many took mRNA vaccines), and is no longer acceptable by my standards.

I don't know if anyone also noticed this too: it's not just a simple matter of having enough money/stocks, but also being able to GROW it to outpace REAL inflation (not the bullsh*t inflation based on hedonics).
my elderly parents are both very satisfied with the treatment they are getting at polyclinics/govt hospitals and being elderly, they have regular appointments and occasional short hospitalisations. the experience has been positive and I never get the feeling that "i ought to have gone private"

are your parents consistently having negative experiences in polyclinc govt hospital and they are instead going private?

As for comfortable living, I feel its a multiplier rather than actual number.

Passive income = 2x your current expenses should give you a comfortable living standard (with fully paid property and medical insurance in place). But your suggested sum of $5m is definitely a pretty comfortable retirement sum for most people.

Of course YMMV, DYODD :cool:
 

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$2M for simple living.
It used to be $1M pre-covid.
But inflation has cut down SGD$.
So don't be surprised by the 2X increase. Singapore is wedded to the US.
SGD$ continues to be cut down faster next 5 years. So requirement will grow to $3M by then.

For comfortable living: $5M (in 2026).

If you don't believe these numbers, you can try living on less, and don't blame me once your money runs out too early especially when you get hit with a medical issue. Subsidised public healthcare is already too clogged with aging Singaporeans (many took mRNA vaccines), and is no longer acceptable by my standards.

I don't know if anyone also noticed this too: it's not just a simple matter of having enough money/stocks, but also being able to GROW it to outpace REAL inflation (not the bullsh*t inflation based on hedonics).

Best is have 10m, nobody should retire early.....seem like crazy inflation only affect you though. My experience with local inflation is pretty ok though.
 

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my elderly parents are both very satisfied with the treatment they are getting at polyclinics/govt hospitals and being elderly, they have regular appointments and occasional short hospitalisations. the experience has been positive and I never get the feeling that "i ought to have gone private"

are your parents consistently having negative experiences in polyclinc govt hospital and they are instead going private?

As for comfortable living, I feel its a multiplier rather than actual number.

Passive income = 2x your current expenses should give you a comfortable living standard (with fully paid property and medical insurance in place). But your suggested sum of $5m is definitely a pretty comfortable retirement sum for most people.

Of course YMMV, DYODD :cool:

Public hospitals work well if you have urgent issues. If you have issues like back pain, need to see specialist etc then the waiting time is going to be long. This is reality, public hospitals allocate more resources to life threatening case.
 

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$2M for simple living.
It used to be $1M pre-covid.
But inflation has cut down SGD$.
So don't be surprised by the 2X increase. Singapore is wedded to the US.
SGD$ continues to be cut down faster next 5 years. So requirement will grow to $3M by then.

For comfortable living: $5M (in 2026).

If you don't believe these numbers, you can try living on less, and don't blame me once your money runs out too early especially when you get hit with a medical issue. Subsidised public healthcare is already too clogged with aging Singaporeans (many took mRNA vaccines), and is no longer acceptable by my standards.

I don't know if anyone also noticed this too: it's not just a simple matter of having enough money/stocks, but also being able to GROW it to outpace REAL inflation (not the bullsh*t inflation based on hedonics).
I agree with these estimates which should be acceptable for 80% of Singaporeans. I don't think I'll ever hit S$3M. Will probably be totally shagged when I hit 2.1M SGD (my personal realistic target which hopefully can hit) and have to make do or adjust my lifestyle to make sure SGD2.1M lasts.
 
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how much stonks will be a good indication that you can be financially free in SG? 1M , 2M?
What level are u at now? Just accumulate SGD1M 1st regardless of your expenses and location, as SGD1M is pretty much the basic baseline. You can then decide if u want to adjust your expenses or location to fit within SGD1M or need to accumulate more.
 
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my elderly parents are both very satisfied with the treatment they are getting at polyclinics/govt hospitals and being elderly, they have regular appointments and occasional short hospitalisations. the experience has been positive and I never get the feeling that "i ought to have gone private"

are your parents consistently having negative experiences in polyclinc govt hospital and they are instead going private?

As for comfortable living, I feel its a multiplier rather than actual number.

Passive income = 2x your current expenses should give you a comfortable living standard (with fully paid property and medical insurance in place). But your suggested sum of $5m is definitely a pretty comfortable retirement sum for most people.

Of course YMMV, DYODD :cool:
Public hospitals work well if you have urgent issues. If you have issues like back pain, need to see specialist etc then the waiting time is going to be long. This is reality, public hospitals allocate more resources to life threatening case.
Need to project 10 to 20years later.
Cannot look at current situation and assume the situation will be status quo.
Proportion of aged Singaporeans increase above 25%.
Majority of them are banking on subsidised public healthcare to foot the bills.
 

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Need to project 10 to 20years later.
Cannot look at current situation and assume the situation will be status quo.
Proportion of aged Singaporeans increase above 25%.
Majority of them are banking on subsidised public healthcare to foot the bills.
When I look at your numbers, already take into account some projections. SGD 1 to 5 M, especially 3-5M are large numbers able to withstand lifestyle with inflation for quite a while. If inflation really rockets, then I believe most pple will have to adjust their lifestyles rather than the target number, as the ability to make more money as time goes on will diminish for most pple (unless strike toto or lucky to hold moon stonks).
 

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I agree with these estimates which should be acceptable for 80% of Singaporeans. I don't think I'll ever hit S$3M. Will probably be totally shagged when I hit 2.1M SGD (my personal realistic target which hopefully can hit) and have to make do or adjust my lifestyle to make sure SGD2.1M lasts.

I think you need to have a time value beside the money, 2m in 2036 is very different from 2m in 2026.
 

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When I look at your numbers, already take into account some projections. SGD 1 to 5 M, especially 3-5M are large numbers able to withstand lifestyle with inflation for quite a while. If inflation really rockets, then I believe most pple will have to adjust their lifestyles rather than the target number, as the ability to make more money as time goes on will diminish for most pple (unless strike toto or lucky to hold moon stonks).
Preserving the REAL value of the amount while trying to withdraw money at the same time, is difficult.

If not intending to withdraw any amount from the portfolio, that portfolio essentially becomes irrelevant for personal finance although it may serve other meaningful purposes eg inheritance for children.

Any stock portfolio that is included in personal finance wellbeing, must be available for withdrawal.
Withdrawal assumption calculations must be included.

Whether or not one choose to actually withdraw or save, is a separate decision to be undertaken conditional upon actual lived retirement.

Always model worst case scenarios, and then pray that actual turned out to be much better.
 
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I think you need to have a time value beside the money, 2m in 2036 is very different from 2m in 2026.
Doesn't matter the time value if I do not have the ability to make more. 2M already include rough inflation projections. Will have to adjust lifestyle if inflation overshoots
 

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Preserving the REAL value of the amount while trying to withdraw money at the same time, is difficult.

If not intending to withdraw any amount from the portfolio, that portfolio essentially becomes irrelevant for personal finance although it may serve other meaningful purposes eg inheritance for children.

Any stock portfolio that is included in personal finance wellbeing, must be available for withdrawal.
Withdrawal calculations must be included.
If inflation is within 5% should not be an issue. Like I said, already include rough projections. And when the amount is large, there is no need to calculate to the last cent. I think to me having 2M to 5M is probably like you all having 10M. It is an amount large enough that can withstand 3-5% inflation even with some reduced expenses, quality of life will still be acceptable for me. having. When I say 2.1M it includes about 1/3 stocks.
 
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If inflation is within 5% should not be an issue. When I say 2.1M it includes about 1/3 stocks.
If inflation is 5%, withdrawal is 2%, returns need to be double that.
(5+2) x 2 = 14%.

That's average annualized return.

Because some years can be down, double again. 28%.
(Need to compensate for some years with subpar or negative returns)

If one never learnt to compound portfolio at rates up to 28% per year, it's going to be a challenge to grow the portfolio to beat inflation AND withdraw money from it over the long-term.

These are worst case scenario numbers.
 

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If inflation is 5%, withdrawal is 2%, returns need to be double that.
(5+2) x 2 = 14%.

That's average annualized return.

Because some years can be down, double again. 28%.
Need to compensate for some years with subpar or negative returns.

If one never learnt to compound portfolio at rates up to 28% per year, it's going to be a challenge to grow the portfolio to beat inflation AND withdraw money from it over the long-term.
U are assuming prolonged inflation on the high end. I do not expect that. Also I can always adjust my lifestyle.
 
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