Must read : Time Share Scam Awareness! Don't be the next victim!

[WeiHan]

Have anyone in sgp ever been sued by IRN/ATC for defaulting on payments? was tricked into membership in 2004, paid more than $8k for full membership and only used services once. services was not as promised in their presentation. i have stopped paying annual maintainance fee since then. I received a call from them, offering to terminate my membership.told to come down to their Neil rd office with documents to sign termination paperwork. Should i go? a friend got his membership terminated just last month. only after paying another $3k. (supposedly for kegal paperwork). really need the advice of fellow members! i don't want to be conned again!

Do you keep your paper proofs that the service is different from what that is in the contract? If yes, you may claim back in SCT. If you are rich enough, can hire a lawyer.

 

[a1b2c3d4e5]

Notice of cancellation(cancellation contracts), send by hand.
The merchant(EMPEROR TRAVEL PTE. LTD.) call JERRY TAN(Director of: LPI & EMPEROR) and sgin on behalf of LPI.
27/07/2012 sgin membership with LPI; but make payments to EMPEROR.

Now, what next??? Wait for a letter form LPI???
As they agreed & accepted my membership cancellation.

 

[Archsinner]

Anyone have successfully cancelled their agreement specially those from Discovery?

Have already send out the cancellation letter today ( should be still within the 5
days cooling period)

Just visited CASE today to review. They say due to the novation agreement i have signed, put me in the grey area. Agreement saying that they will overtake the agreement from Discovery8 and offer me a new rental plan( yup the 15 yer profit thing)
Claiming that they are not timeshare company

Any advice on dealing with them, if they refuse to cancel my agreement? Have already paid about 2k upfront, seem like i will be losing them. (Pls Pm ME if can't post here in the open)

Seriously feel like an big idiot right now. Saw the hole and still jump into it.

 

[worth the wait]

Help

Anyone have successfully cancelled their agreement specially those from Discovery?

Have already send out the cancellation letter today ( should be still within the 5
days cooling period)

Just visited CASE today to review. They say due to the novation agreement i have signed, put me in the grey area. Agreement saying that they will overtake the agreement from Discovery8 and offer me a new rental plan( yup the 15 yer profit thing)
Claiming that they are not timeshare company

Any advice on dealing with them, if they refuse to cancel my agreement? Have already paid about 2k upfront, seem like i will be losing them. (Pls Pm ME if can't post here in the open)

Seriously feel like an big idiot right now. Saw the hole and still jump into it.

Hi, I have signed up for DIscovery 8 member since 5 years ago.
I have paid upfront of $500 and stop paying after that.
I have went to CASE and asked for help after i signed the package with them after the cooling period.
CASE has informed that they can't help mush on this as we have legally signed on the contract.

We then ignored the payment and now, we received a call back from them.
They have moved to beach road - Concour Building....
The person named -Roy, has called us and asked us to go down to thier office n said can help us with the refund of money.
We went down, waste 2-3 hours there and he keeps talking us to transfer our package to another scheme and we can ask for cancel the membership once transfer.
HOwever, the trasfer required us to pay for another 20k more.... and we will ge the GOLD WARRANT and claim our money back in 5 years time....

We did not agree on the spot and told him that we need to think about it...
after reach home, he called again.... and we wish to cancel and end all this thing with them....
Please advice how can i get rid from them please.....
Is a nightmare for us....

 

[shrio1978]

Dear all, im also one of you who got scammed in 2007 (i think) by Discovery 8. Here are some pointers to be smart when someone contacted you mentioning that they can recover your money.
1) check their company profile. you can go to acra gov sg to check for registered business entities for their records. would you trust a company that claims to be able to retrieve your money when they are registered in 2011, 2012? Also for example bric solutions has registered in 2012, delta solutions had registered few years ago, at tras street and now at chinatown.
2) when they ask this question: if you think timeshare is illegal, why hasn't they been apprehended? answer very simple: a) they are a newly company registered. they would like to keep it small so they can close down asap and open a new company again. b) if they are big, of coz they will get apprehend like sun empire.
3) if these companies claim to be able to claim back all of your money, please think first: when they call, did they verify your details? (all your details?) if you met up with them, DO NOT SHOW them they DETAILS. If they are sincerely planning to refund, they MUST HAVE the following items:
a) your full particulars,
b) your contract details (with your signature) actual copy or photocopy its ok,
c) your payment schemes and how your contract shapes up.

I was talking to one of them few days back, (don't ask me why, coz I'm too free to meet them and screw them up, lol), and when i challenge them to provide me the details, they cant produce it and insist of getting my NRIC for verification.
See the flaw?
they should have my NRIC details ready for verification rather the other way round.
I didnt have any documents with me when i met them thus they were painting litigation stories when i dont pay up the maintenance.
Do note that if they dont even know what scheme you are in, how to start the litigation against you and even refund you?

LOL thus lets all be smart! (btw i cant even find discovery 8 in the acra webby) lol how stuipd am i.

 

[WeiHan]

Do not pay anyone more money to cancel your timeshare. Do not pay anyone more money to transfer your timeshare. In short, do not pay more. If they come with a lawyer letter to claim the remaining portion, just ignore them. The fact that they didn't do that show that the "contract" you have signed does not constitute a proper contract and cannot be taken legally to the court and that is why they have not done so. It is improper, it is just an agreement. Just ignore them and do not pay more for whatever tricks they are coming up with.

Anyway, they are going to jail soon so they can't be free to enforce the so-called "contract" to force you to pay more.

 

[worth the wait]

Do not pay anyone more money to cancel your timeshare. Do not pay anyone more money to transfer your timeshare. In short, do not pay more. If they come with a lawyer letter to claim the remaining portion, just ignore them. The fact that they didn't do that show that the "contract" you have signed does not constitute a proper contract and cannot be taken legally to the court and that is why they have not done so. It is improper, it is just an agreement. Just ignore them and do not pay more for whatever tricks they are coming up with.

Anyway, they are going to jail soon so they can't be free to enforce the so-called "contract" to force you to pay more.

Hi WeiHan,
Is it all right if we just ignore them?
Or should we go to CASE and report again? even this has done few years back....
I have actually tear off the contract ... and have nothing on hand

 

[WeiHan]

Hi WeiHan,
Is it all right if we just ignore them?
Or should we go to CASE and report again? even this has done few years back....
I have actually tear off the contract ... and have nothing on hand

You are too rash.

Everybody should keep the contract. Every documents and emails that you have with them should be kept.

Even pinhole camera recordings that you have with them should be kept.

That is how you are going to jail them.

 

[Jack_Chen]

Hi, I have signed up for DIscovery 8 member since 5 years ago.
I have paid upfront of $500 and stop paying after that.
I have went to CASE and asked for help after i signed the package with them after the cooling period.
CASE has informed that they can't help mush on this as we have legally signed on the contract.

We then ignored the payment and now, we received a call back from them.
They have moved to beach road - Concour Building....
The person named -Roy, has called us and asked us to go down to thier office n said can help us with the refund of money.
We went down, waste 2-3 hours there and he keeps talking us to transfer our package to another scheme and we can ask for cancel the membership once transfer.
HOwever, the trasfer required us to pay for another 20k more.... and we will ge the GOLD WARRANT and claim our money back in 5 years time....

We did not agree on the spot and told him that we need to think about it...
after reach home, he called again.... and we wish to cancel and end all this thing with them....
Please advice how can i get rid from them please.....
Is a nightmare for us....

send them a letter of termination using registered post.

change all phone numbers and if you can also your home address (meaning move away).

they will not spend good money to throw after the bad, including spend time and resources to hunt you down or 'sue' you.

CASE exist to harm consumers, not help them. Think twice before going to them.

 

[lordz1987]

Is it a new company?

Hi to evryone....CHE used to be Emperor Resorts International pte ltd then changed to Diacovery 8 then I-Disxover then Cours Montreux den now CHE...all same director who ia Jerry Tan Kim Huat. Pls beware of also newly set up gold co called The Gold Gurantee pte ltd hu acts as "Trustee" for them by giving gold warrant certs as a guarantee toTimeshare owners. Pls remember there r no such ting as a confirm guarantee n dis gold co is actually nt a Trustee in e 1st plc. They r nt even regulated by our MAS Spore pertaining to their biz.

Hi, just a few weeks ago, I went down to check CHE at Regency House and their name has been removed and changed to "Lifestyle". Everything including the reception counter and the layout remained the same. It's only the name has been changed. However, does anyone knows that is "Lifestyle" related to CHE or CHE has already shifted?

 

[WeiHan]

Hi, just a few weeks ago, I went down to check CHE at Regency House and their name has been removed and changed to "Lifestyle". Everything including the reception counter and the layout remained the same. It's only the name has been changed. However, does anyone knows that is "Lifestyle" related to CHE or CHE has already shifted?

They strike off CHE in ACRA biz and register a new company call pacific lifestyle.

Is the same. It is still Jerry Tan Kim Huat. It is still cheating using hotel advantage and air advantage.

It is like the same monkey looking through different windows in the same house. It looks likethere are many monkeys but in actual fact, there is only one naughty monkey looking through different windows and create the impression that there are many monkeys.get the analogy?

 

[lordz1987]

Is it legal to change to another name when the current company is not totally closed down yet?

They strike off CHE in ACRA biz and register a new company call pacific lifestyle.

Is the same. It is still Jerry Tan Kim Huat. It is still cheating using hotel advantage and air advantage.

It is like the same monkey looking through different windows in the same house. It looks likethere are many monkeys but in actual fact, there is only one naughty monkey looking through different windows and create the impression that there are many monkeys.get the analogy?

Oh okay. Thanks for your information. However, CHE is only under gazetted to be strike off, it doesn't mean that they will be striked off. They are not allowed to just change a name of a company to another without the current one (CHE) closed down.. So to say, they did not inform their members about the change to address/ name of the company..

 

[siron]

Once again I am bugged by ERI with letters... in fact they have a sub court letter inside. Anyone recently??

 

[WeiHan]

Once again I am bugged by ERI with letters... in fact they have a sub court letter inside. Anyone recently??

Do check with sub court if it is real if they really file at SCT to claim from you.

If it is not real, then it may be an evidence of cheating. Using sub-court's name to hoax people. Do report to police, this will be strong case if they forge a sub court letter.

 

[Janet Koo]

I'm a also a victim of iDiscovery half a year ago. We also went to case and send them the letter within 5working days. Subsequently they request us to meet them and during the meeting I told them that if they refuse to refund us the $$, I will go straight to small court. 1-2weeks later, I received the letter from them and they indicate the cheque will be ready within 1-2months. After 2 months, no news and I start to call them everyday and scolded the personnel. During collection time, they also make us wait for 1.5hrs and I really pissed off. I shouted at them and make a scene in their office. My intention is to scare their customers off and this really work. Immediately they release the cheque to me.

 

[lordz1987]

Same here~

Hi Jason, I am in the same situation too (my 1st post on 08 July 12)... can we communicate through email?

Hi, I am in the same situation as you too... you can contact me at st3phhiie@gmail.com and we can further discuss...

 

[WeiHan]

Oh okay. Thanks for your information. However, CHE is only under gazetted to be strike off, it doesn't mean that they will be striked off. They are not allowed to just change a name of a company to another without the current one (CHE) closed down.. So to say, they did not inform their members about the change to address/ name of the company..

BTW, changing a company name is different from closing one company down and then registering a new one.

For example, CHE has been gazetted to be struck off. Means that they have filed to close the company down.

For Cours Montreux Int'l PTe Ltd, the name has been changed to Starz Priviledge as you can checked at the ACRA Biz file.

Changing a company name is definitely not illegal. However, I am not sure about closing a company down without informing the members. Definitely, the members can sue the company for not obliging to the contract after the money was paid. It is not that simple. The company can then argue that they are bankrupt. Then, members need to come up with proofs that he is setting up similar companies selling similar products and taking in new money from there.

 

[lordz1987]

refunds?

Hi,

I am a victim as well.

Btw, Henry, I saw another thread, I thought you already get back your refund? I am in the midst of getting back my refund, can we proceed to small claim court even though it is not 60 days?

CASE had told me that I need 60 days before going to Small Claim Court.

I want to go down to Crown Holiday Exchange, before that I want to go to CASE to further highlight on my case. Anybody wants to join me next week sat to go down to CASE then to crown to check on refunds? I can pick you guys up if you are near lake side.

Mine is still under cooling off period as far as CASE sees it. Signed on 12th May, Cancelled on 19th May. No one in Crown mentioned to me regarding cooling off period till the day I re-visited them.

Hi,

Have you get any refunds back when you went down to CHE?

 

[lordz1987]

grp name?

BTW people, Please don't discuss all the strategy and information we find about Jerry tan and his companies. They will have time to prepare and destroy them. Just contact the facebook group. It is a close group, you need to prove yourselves not relating to them and a real victim in order to get in.

Hi Weihan, may i know the name for the facebook group. thanks. you can PM or let me know thru my email at st3phhiie@gmail.com. thanks.

 

[kamakama]

TDG episode, not quite over...

Hi. I am also looking at a recourse against them. Please contact me so we can work on this together?

Sure, could you PM me?

FYI, It is true that CASE doesn't give much help. The consultant who was supposed to help me left the office without notification; and the person who supposedly took over the case did not follow-up with me despite my numerous call attempts to CASE.

I've still not received my refund, so I called the TDG office in Concourse and managed to coerce them into giving my Adrian Cheng's number. I realised that this person was the same person who signed my first contract with i-Discover back in 2011. He's now working in both Discovery VIII and The Discovery Group and was the one who acknowledged the safe receipt of the CASE notification letter that I hand-delivered.

Anyway, I told Adrian that I can't contact Gary at all and I've waited long enough. I told him that I've reported this to the police as well and they better return me the refund soon. So he said he'll get back to me on the day itself. But of course he didn't. Neither did he pick up my calls for the consecutive days until yesterday. He 'happened' to see my missed calls and mentioned that my cheque will be ready this coming Friday along with other refund cheques that he sent for processing to his Accounts Department. So I asked if there will be the termination letter ready as well. He said there will be along with the cheque. And that I'm supposed to bring along the contracts that I signed with Gary for the termination. He said nth is confirmed yet and that he will have to call me back again on Friday to confirm on the cheque in case 'anything bad happens'. I'm waiting to see if this will really pull thru.

What do you guys think I should look out for when I go down there??

Are there anyone else in a similar situation?