[HELP] Need advice on CAT 6 lan cable installation

[gregory_choo]

Final draft as what i meant.


Each point will connect directly to Data point, bypass the Switch.
The Data point will have a splitter/combined,

TThis will enable both tel & data into one data point.

As for the other end will have another to connect to both tel and computer/router.


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Don't think it is a good suggestion to use phone/data splitter/combiner because is will reduce lan speed to 100Mbps. This device was used in the past when the lan cable was cat 5 and speed requirement was not high.

If you want to use analog phone (note: your ISP provides you with digital phone service, but after the ONT, it become analog phone), it is better to install additional cable to the rooms, tel cable are cheap, laying of tel cable is free if it is done together with the data cable to the room.

 

[eric3743]

This is the way to reduce lan speed to 100Mbps, if it is the intention.

It is stated in the original picture as Cat-5E which will do.

Anyway I myself will not advice to be done this way.

The issue is how the electrician on whether explained should there be any other issue if intend to convert tel to data for tel use.
Weird right.

 

[eric3743]

Hi. The electrician said telephone can connect to RJ45. So on his advise, all the telephone changed to LAN faceplate. I did highlight which point I will be using as phone. Is there a mistake somewhere?

Note:
The telephone can be a separate connection by itself.
Not necessary to use Data point.
All you need is splitter to split to 2 or more tel points.
This is a better solution.
Advisable not to use tel to data point as the connector is not easy.
And additional cost in doing so.

Final note.
Don't take what the electrician is trying to talk you into.
Go seek more info on the difference between tel and data wiring.
Only an expert in network can give you a better opinion.
Sorry I have to say this.
As someone did encountered issue after what the electrician had done.
Like my case, both of us have to get network expert to redo and fix it right.
Extra cost to us for no good reason.

 

[nez]

Note:
The telephone can be a separate connection by itself.
Not necessary to use Data point.
All you need is splitter to split to 2 or more tel points.
This is a better solution.
Advisable not to use tel to data point as the connector is not easy.
And additional cost in doing so.

Final note.
Don't take what the electrician is trying to talk you into.
Go seek more info on the difference between tel and data wiring.
Only an expert in network can give you a better opinion.
Sorry I have to say this.
As someone did encountered issue after what the electrician had done.
Like my case, both of us have to get network expert to redo and fix it right.
Extra cost to us for no good reason.

Apologies for the late reply. Was busy with Reno work & also trying to get my head around this telephone issue. Can I say that I should leave the point intended as telephone as RJ45? So this termination at the utility board will be as per the patch panel?

Thanks.

 

[gregory_choo]

Apologies for the late reply. Was busy with Reno work & also trying to get my head around this telephone issue. Can I say that I should leave the point intended as telephone as RJ45? So this termination at the utility board will be as per the patch panel?

Thanks.

It is better to convert all faceplates to RJ45.

After the conversion, you can still use it for telephone. What you need is a pair of "rj11 female to rj45 male patch cable".

You plug this patch cable into the rj45 port, then plug your tel cable into the rj11 female socket. Do the same at the DB to connect to the phone port on the ONT.

In future, if you retire your phone and want to have another data port, just unplug the patch cable, don't need to get contractor again.

If you have Cable Crimper (or buy one for a few dollars), you can also make your own cable, with rj11 on one end and rj45 on the other end. It is neater.

One place to buy patch cable:
https://www.lazada.sg/rj11-6p4c-fem...pter-converter-cable-phone-intl-80694929.html

 

[nez]

Are the converter expensive?they are a small item right?
Will it affect the souls quality or interned speed?
Thanks.

 

[gregory_choo]

Are the converter expensive?they are a small item right?
Will it affect the souls quality or interned speed?
Thanks.

$3 each, very small. You can get it from the lazada link I posted earlier. There are picture on the link too.
It is cheaper to buy from taobao, 50 cents each.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.CXFnCr&id=522665056391&_u=p29jlne46655


For this type of adaptor, it will not affect internet speed, because you are not using internet at all. You just make use of the lan cable for your telephone.

 

[nez]

$3 each, very small. You can get it from the lazada link I posted earlier. There are picture on the link too.
It is cheaper to buy from taobao, 50 cents each.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.CXFnCr&id=522665056391&_u=p29jlne46655


For this type of adaptor, it will not affect internet speed, because you are not using internet at all. You just make use of the lan cable for your telephone.

Ok. Thanks. But just to play safe I inform my designer to leave the telephone point as it is.

 

[eric3743]

Apologies for the late reply. Was busy with Reno work & also trying to get my head around this telephone issue. Can I say that I should leave the point intended as telephone as RJ45? So this termination at the utility board will be as per the patch panel?

Thanks.

Ensure Data trucking are using Cat-6 at the terminal.
Cat-5e is smaller.

 

[eric3743]

Ok. Thanks. But just to play safe I inform my designer to leave the telephone point as it is.

It does not matter if you can convert Tel to Data.
Tel uses 2 wires whereas Data is at least 8 wires, depend.

Converter are smart to take the correct wiring for the purpose on Tel &or Data.

 

[eric3743]

Ok. Thanks. But just to play safe I inform my designer to leave the telephone point as it is.

The main purpose & objective on different is to avoid those who cannot differentiate.
This is to prevent damaged by non IT ppl.

Now bto flat do have both Tel & Data separate.
Easy plug n play..

 

[nez]

The main purpose & objective on different is to avoid those who cannot differentiate.
This is to prevent damaged by non IT ppl.

Now bto flat do have both Tel & Data separate.
Easy plug n play..

Roger.
But new flat only 1 data point at the living. Even average user like me wanted LAN connection for all rooms. So 1 data point is like really! I would think most ppl would require more.
But still, at least HDB did use CAT 6 cable.

 

[nez]

btw, i have only 1 power socket inside the utility board.
Is it sufficient to run the following?
1) Singtel modem/router
2) 8 port gigabit switch
3) NAS storage drives (not at the moment but maybe in future)

 

[xonix]

btw, i have only 1 power socket inside the utility board.
Is it sufficient to run the following?
1) Singtel modem/router
2) 8 port gigabit switch
3) NAS storage drives (not at the moment but maybe in future)

1. Yes ( use Socket Power Strip )
2. Yes ( use Socket Power Strip )
3. NAS need not be inside especially if there are other LAN ports

 

[eric3743]

Roger.
But new flat only 1 data point at the living. Even average user like me wanted LAN connection for all rooms. So 1 data point is like really! I would think most ppl would require more.
But still, at least HDB did use CAT 6 cable.

So your bto is the same as mine.
Only 1 data point at the living.
Have to self reno to add for bedrooms.
Tel point should be Cat-6 as ISP contractor mentioned as for bto from mid 2013.

 

[LINLIN101]

Roger.
But new flat only 1 data point at the living. Even average user like me wanted LAN connection for all rooms. So 1 data point is like really! I would think most ppl would require more.
But still, at least HDB did use CAT 6 cable.

Ya, I think CAT6 cable is more than enough,

I also just bought my CAT6 cable and get it wired up for my house, But my is for resales flat lah

I'm little strict in CAT6 cable lah, will go with some branded for the CAT6 Cable, @ least quality can be ensure

Gotten this CAT6 cable from this shop, www . cablellink . com
so far working well

They cut to any length you wanted or need. or in some standard length.

cheers,

 

[dryteletubby]

I did not have any problems with the cheap wrap in transparent plastic 20m ethernet bought from challenger.

Even though the internal wires are not solid copper, they seem to work fine even for POE applications.
I made several 1M + cables with it and all of them works fine.

Another extremely cheap cable I bought from AliExpress did not work as well.

Eventually I replaced it with one bought from Sim lim.

That one had actual copper wiring and was much siffer that the other cheap ethernet cables I bought before.

 

[cscs3]

It does not matter if you can convert Tel to Data.
Tel uses 2 wires whereas Data is at least 8 wires, depend.

Converter are smart to take the correct wiring for the purpose on Tel &or Data.

Basically, at lower LAN speed, LAN cable used wire point 1,2,3,6 and pin 4,5 is for telephone signal. But not for higher LAN speed.

Another thing to watch out is telephone signal carry 48v voltage. If wired in correctly, it can damage your device. So in general, not recommend to use telephone and LAN on the same wire/socket.

 

[cscs3]

btw, i have only 1 power socket inside the utility board.
Is it sufficient to run the following?
1) Singtel modem/router
2) 8 port gigabit switch
3) NAS storage drives (not at the moment but maybe in future)

More then enough.

 

[nez]

Basically, at lower LAN speed, LAN cable used wire point 1,2,3,6 and pin 4,5 is for telephone signal. But not for higher LAN speed.

Another thing to watch out is telephone signal carry 48v voltage. If wired in correctly, it can damage your device. So in general, not recommend to use telephone and LAN on the same wire/socket.

I had it up & running already for about 2mths, no issue so far.
Thankfully kids never complain about any disruption. Signup with singtel since don't have too pay for telephone seperately.
Only issue I would say in masterbedroom partner's noted 8 wifi sometimes cannot connect. I may need to install a router in this case
I am happy My iphone x will auto connect depending if i am at bedroom or living room.