*Official* Shiny Things club - Part 2

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For IB, what are the interest rates for keeping SGD and USD cash in our account? There is some, especially for USD. I just cannot work out the % as amounts are changing regularly.

I wondering for excess SGD, should I transfer out to sg savings account or keep it there?
 

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For IB, what are the interest rates for keeping SGD and USD cash in our account? There is some, especially for USD. I just cannot work out the % as amounts are changing regularly.
IB publishes its current interest rates here.

I wondering for excess SGD, should I transfer out to sg savings account or keep it there?
Quite simply, you shouldn’t have much idle cash for long at IB (or elsewhere for that matter). What are you doing with substantial idle cash?
 
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Advice on robo-advisors

Hi, I'm looking to get some information on whether robo-advisors like StashAway and DBS digiPortfolio are worth it, especially for overseas ETF investments, meaning if they are a cheaper alternative to the StanChart method recommended by Joshua Giersch in his book.

StashAway’s fees are 0.8% before 0.2% ETF manager fees, and is US-linked. DBS digiPortfolio’s fees are 0.75%, p.a. DBS digiPortfolio is UK-linked to avoid US taxes, whereas StashAway is US-linked. So are they a viable alternative to avoid Stan Chart's higher fees for global investments (0.2% per transaction, with up to 0.5% FX spread)?

I'm very new to investing, and only just starting to dip my toes in. Based on the above, my portfolio would be the ES3 STI ETF and A35 Bond ETF through DBS Invest-Saver (for local investments), and DBS digiPortfolio for global investments (vs the recommendation in his book to use Stan Chart). Does this seem like a good start?

Appreciate any help, thanks! :)
 

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StashAway’s fees are 0.8% before 0.2% ETF manager fees, and is US-linked. DBS digiPortfolio’s fees are 0.75%, p.a. DBS digiPortfolio is UK-linked to avoid US taxes, whereas StashAway is US-linked. So are they a viable alternative to avoid Stan Chart's higher fees for global investments (0.2% per transaction, with up to 0.5% FX spread)?
Standard Chartered charges a minimum US$10.70 commission, except if you happen to be a Priority Banking customer.

Stashaway and DBS are clearly more expensive for long-term investors. No, you should not incur that extra expense.
 

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Hi, I'm looking to get some information on whether robo-advisors like StashAway and DBS digiPortfolio are worth it,

Short answer is no, they're not. They all either have high fees, portfolios that are inappropriate for Singaporean investors, or both.

Hi all, I'm closing in on the >1K per month soon and wondering if I were to move to IB, but if I am investing every 3 months due to

1: STI
2: ABF
3: IWDA

I have 2 months where IB is inactive and I'll rack up charges for it. What should I do with IB for those 2 months?

Just don't worry about it. The cheaper FX rates will make up for it.

Changing over from A35 to MBH starting next month.
I have currently about $5800 in A35, is it recommended that I leave the A35 there or should I sell them all now and lump sum all into MBH?

I'd switch it - the better yield on MBH will pay for the transaction costs in about six months - but don't feel like you have to rush to do it.
 

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Short answer is no, they're not. They all either have high fees, portfolios that are inappropriate for Singaporean investors, or both.

Noted, thanks!

I'd switch it - the better yield on MBH will pay for the transaction costs in about six months - but don't feel like you have to rush to do it.

Do you still recommend A35 for the Singapore bonds ETF portion of a portfolio, or is MBH a better option for the better yield?
 

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Has anyone managed to find a way around SCB’s exorbitantly high FX spread? Perhaps by using transferwise or instarem?
 

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Has anyone managed to find a way around SCB’s exorbitantly high FX spread? Perhaps by using transferwise or instarem?

I have absolutely no problem with SCB's 0.4% FX premium over IB. Its no issue for long term investors. SCB's premium over transferwise etc as actually much lower.

I've explored transferwise and other 3rd party services - their rates are actually not as good as IB (they publish very nice rates on their websites but always got some fine print that you must transfer more than 50k or something like that to get the best rate).

SCB's platform is for buy and hold, longer term investing.

Its not suited for trading and repeatedly going in and out of forex positions. If you want to rapidly enter and exit forex positions, you seriously should not be using SCB in the first place.

Since I am a dividend investors, one years' dividends, around 4%, more than 'cover' the trading comms and fx spread already. :s13:
 

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MBH is the best option.

Got it, thank you!

I'm starting in my early 20s and planning for retirement, with a $4k initial investment followed by a total of $1k monthly thereafter. Following the 3-split method, my tentative allocation is:
1. 30% ES3 (DBS-IS; $300 monthly)
2. 60% IWDA (StanChart; $1200 every 2 months)
3. 10% MBH (DBS-IS; $100 monthly)
The reason for the higher overseas investment allocation is the chance to get better returns - is this allocation too risky? I'm trying to plan for early retirement (hopefully early 50s).

I'll be parking my rainy day funds (about $10k) into StanChart JumpStart (2% interest p.a.), while letting my existing DBS Savings account be my checking account for regular use/bill payments/etc. Any suggestions on better accounts to use?

I also welcome suggestions for further resources to look into to expand my portfolio in the future.

Thank you!
 
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Hi all, i'm currently 26 this year, looking to start investing.
I've bought ST's book and wanted to invest in ES3 first with Maybank KE.
But just found out that they no longer has the monthly investment plan.
I will be investing around $300 per month and would like to purchase ES3 first.
May i know should i purchase ES3 with SCB or DBS-IS? Sorry for my noob question. :)
 
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The current low cost leaders for "low dollar" per month "three fund" long-term investing (for individuals expecting to retire in Singapore who are not U.S. persons) are:

* STI stock index fund: G3B via POSB Invest Saver
* Global stock index fund: IWDA or VWRA via Standard Chartered
* Singapore denominated bond index fund: MBH via POSB Invest Saver

These assume the source of funds is unrestricted Singapore dollar cash. Answers vary if using SRS or CPF dollars.
 
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Edit: sorry oversee your $300.

Less than $1000 right?

POSB RSP then. But do note that POSB RSP not offering ES3 but the alternative G3B.

Thanks

Hi all, i'm currently 26 this year, looking to start investing.
I've bought ST's book and wanted to invest in ES3 first with Maybank KE.
But just found out that they no longer has the monthly investment plan.
I will be investing around $300 per month and would like to purchase ES3 first.
May i know should i purchase ES3 with SCB or DBS-IS? Sorry for my noob question. :)
 

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Hi. I would like to invest in IWDA + EIMI but haven't opened account for overseas trading yet. I've read in somewhere in the thread that IB is preferred over Saxo mainly because of the fees.

I am looking at long term passive investment for these which means, most likely I will likely just invest 10K lump sum and would not look at it for a while. I also read somewhere that IB will charge maintenance fee at 10USD per month. Wouldn't that be more costly as compared to Saxo custodian fees of annual custody fee of 0.12%. Of course, if the investment value reached $100K or frequent monthly trading, using IB will be more cost effective. Am I missing anything out on IB vs Saxo?

In terms of the split, would 8K IWDA and 2K EIMI (total 10k) makes sense?

Side note: i am doing DCA on G3B and MBH with a bank. Still trying to figure out how to re-balance my portfolio with this DCA and the lump sum with the world index ETF.

Thanks.
 

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Hi. I would like to invest in IWDA + EIMI but haven't opened account for overseas trading yet. I've read in somewhere in the thread that IB is preferred over Saxo mainly because of the fees.
IB is the current low cost leader for regular savers who are long-term investors and who have "medium" or "large" savings flows.

I am looking at long term passive investment for these which means, most likely I will likely just invest 10K lump sum and would not look at it for a while.
Then you don't fit the description listed above. You're not a regular saver.

I also read somewhere that IB will charge maintenance fee at 10USD per month.
No, that's the minimum monthly commission for total account values ranging from US$2,000 to US$99,999.99 inclusive. All commissions are subtracted first from the minimum. There is no separate account maintenance fee as such.

If your only savings flow is a "once and done" $10,000 investment, then IB is not a good fit....

....Nor is Saxo. Standard Chartered is likely going to work better for you. Standard Chartered charges a minimum US$10.70 per IWDA and EIMI trade, so you'd incur US$21.40 in commission charges, possibly a bit more for one of the trades if the non-minimum commission charge becomes more relevant. Thereafter there's no custodial fee, unlike Saxo.

Of course, if the investment value reached $100K or frequent monthly trading, using IB will be more cost effective.
Not "frequent." Just one IWDA buy per month is comparatively attractive at IB. If you're working for a living and earning monthly wages, that's what you'd typically do anyway. If your monthly savings flow is "low," OK, "batch up" and use Standard Chartered. Otherwise....

Am I missing anything out on IB vs Saxo?
Yes, currency. IB's currency conversion costs are ridiculously low. Standard Chartered and Saxo, quite a bit higher.

In terms of the split, would 8K IWDA and 2K EIMI (total 10k) makes sense?
No, not really. You're probably better off placing one buy order for VWRA. Then you have no rebalancing to do between developed economy stock market and emerging economy stock market stocks -- VWRA handles that all for you, internally in the fund -- and you'll reduce your commission at Standard Chartered by roughly US$10. VWRA has a 2 basis point per year higher management charge than IWRA, but that's very reasonable indeed for the automatic rebalancing and initial commission savings. The initial commission savings is worth about 10 basis points before compounding, so that pays for roughly 6 years of that +2 basis point VWRA management fee. Automatic rebalancing then takes over from there as an ongoing benefit.

Side note: i am doing DCA on G3B and MBH with a bank.
Great, even better than great. So why aren't you planning to DCA the global stock index fund leg, too?
 

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Hi all - Noob here to ST's retirement strategy. I'm kinda halfway reading the book and making plans to start investing. (thanks ST for sharing - probably one of the clearest and easiest to read financial material I've ever come across!)

Is there any difference between the POSB Invest saver and DBS Invest saver ? They are considered as the same and one bank right, yet they each have an Invest Saver information page. :s11:

They both seem to have the same sales charge also ? I assume sales charge are charged based on how much you invest in ? And how about when you are selling it off - are there any charges for it in due time when you wish to sell ?

"*Sales charge of 0.5% for ABF Singapore Bond Index Fund and 0.82% for Nikko AM Singapore STI ETF apply."

Also - Shiny's book mentioned anything more than 0.5% is an excessive high fee to pay. However, I note that many season posters here are buying G3B from POSB Invest Saver (0.82%), I'm assuming we are accepting the high charges of 0.82% as it is as there are no better competition around? I'm aware that the original recommendation is to go with Maybank kim eng but have also read around here and checked that they have discontinued with the regular investment account ?
 
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