esim discussion

[zekai]

If I have an esim just for data, does it kill the battery faster

if you are running an esim slot for just data and another physical sim for line
yes, will use more power as you are using 2 radio bands.

 

[007Mi6]

I hate ESIM.

Good Points
1. Convenient, can be delivered to you over email anywhere in the world

Bad Points (everything turns to ****)
1. My Circles.Life ESIM qrcode failed to be delivered by their server. (They had an issue with m1 5G server)
2. Trying to set up a new phone, you need to pay to regenerate a QR CODE. (What the hell man, I probably will just number port and switch telco)
3. If your phone fails at night, and you get a **** service like SIMBA. No one to regenerate a new QR Code for the new device outside operating hours. (It used to be easier just putting the SIM into a new phone)

ESIM sucks as the local operators cannot issue it seamlessly and with added cost.

Using it during travels is still not so bad BUT, beware if you do not receive the QR CODE, you may go crazy.

personally, I wouldn’t have a spare phone.

$5-10 for QR Code when changing phone is nothing. I probably change phone once or twice a year

 

[EuroR_CL7]

I hate ESIM.

Good Points
1. Convenient, can be delivered to you over email anywhere in the world

Bad Points (everything turns to ****)
1. My Circles.Life ESIM qrcode failed to be delivered by their server. (They had an issue with m1 5G server)
2. Trying to set up a new phone, you need to pay to regenerate a QR CODE. (What the hell man, I probably will just number port and switch telco)
3. If your phone fails at night, and you get a **** service like SIMBA. No one to regenerate a new QR Code for the new device outside operating hours. (It used to be easier just putting the SIM into a new phone)

ESIM sucks as the local operators cannot issue it seamlessly and with added cost.

Using it during travels is still not so bad BUT, beware if you do not receive the QR CODE, you may go crazy.

Spot on comments. The negative outweighs the positive in SG for eSim. The telco's are not concern about plastic waste/cost from sims but will bill u for re-issue of QR code.

 

[teoma]

I realised 1 problem with esim is that it will stay in your profile even if you delete the esim and it shows as “no sim”.

imagine you got to 10 countries and use different esim but it stays there when you delete the esim. ! Then can’t add anymore esim since you can only have 10?

That’s not my experience when you delete an eSIM.

I only see no SIM when I had removed a physical SIM from my device. Its profile still remains.

If I delete an eSIM, it’s gone without a trace. No message about “No SIM” for eSIM.

If I turn off an eSIM, meaning I don’t delete the profile but don’t use it, then it would just say “Off”.

Also using latest version of iOS.

 

[teoma]

I hate ESIM.

Good Points
1. Convenient, can be delivered to you over email anywhere in the world

Bad Points (everything turns to ****)
1. My Circles.Life ESIM qrcode failed to be delivered by their server. (They had an issue with m1 5G server)
2. Trying to set up a new phone, you need to pay to regenerate a QR CODE. (What the hell man, I probably will just number port and switch telco)
3. If your phone fails at night, and you get a **** service like SIMBA. No one to regenerate a new QR Code for the new device outside operating hours. (It used to be easier just putting the SIM into a new phone)

ESIM sucks as the local operators cannot issue it seamlessly and with added cost.

Using it during travels is still not so bad BUT, beware if you do not receive the QR CODE, you may go crazy.

You don’t hate eSIM. You hate how eSIM is implemented in Singapore.

Spoke to a friend in US and experience there is so vastly different:
- Can move eSIM between iPhones easily, no need to involved telco
- Google and Samsung have or will soon be starting beta testing to do the same thing with their devices.
- No cost to generate QR code for eSIM

Agree with you on your points, but that’s a problem because our telco overlords nickel and dime for every single thing. Even if they want to charge per QR code generation, if they make it an automated process so don’t have to speak to a rep or go into a store, I’d be happy to pay for that convenience.

 

[teoma]

Friend just shared this screen shot and looks like SingTel Prepaid will be supporting eSIM soon!

Not sure if can convert or only for new tourist-type packages like M1 (hope jot), so will have to wait and see.


Update: Sorry ah, don’t know how to insert screen shot on mobile but if you go to Apple App Store and search for SingTel Prepaid, can see under the “What’s New” about mention of eSIM set up and resend eSIM confirmation email.

 

[elvintay07]

You don’t hate eSIM. You hate how eSIM is implemented in Singapore.

Spoke to a friend in US and experience there is so vastly different:
- Can move eSIM between iPhones easily, no need to involved telco
- Google and Samsung have or will soon be starting beta testing to do the same thing with their devices.
- No cost to generate QR code for eSIM

Agree with you on your points, but that’s a problem because our telco overlords nickel and dime for every single thing. Even if they want to charge per QR code generation, if they make it an automated process so don’t have to speak to a rep or go into a store, I’d be happy to pay for that convenience.

With esim, those ah beng ah seng telco cannot anyhow charge ppl mah. Like $10 for sim, $10 sign up etc.

 

[twosix]

You don’t hate eSIM. You hate how eSIM is implemented in Singapore.

Spoke to a friend in US and experience there is so vastly different:
- Can move eSIM between iPhones easily, no need to involved telco
- Google and Samsung have or will soon be starting beta testing to do the same thing with their devices.
- No cost to generate QR code for eSIM

Agree with you on your points, but that’s a problem because our telco overlords nickel and dime for every single thing. Even if they want to charge per QR code generation, if they make it an automated process so don’t have to speak to a rep or go into a store, I’d be happy to pay for that convenience.

Yes, when esim can be moved around phones easily and w/o additional costs, this is when esim is useful and ready to replace physical sim.

 

[teoma]

Yes, when esim can be moved around phones easily and w/o additional costs, this is when esim is useful and ready to replace physical sim.

Problem is, and as I mentioned in my post, what you ask for is already there, or almost there, if we can get easy transfer between iOS/Android (but that’s another thing) but telcos are greedy and adding all these stupid charges.

 

[twosix]

Problem is, and as I mentioned in my post, what you ask for is already there, or almost there, if we can get easy transfer between iOS/Android (but that’s another thing) but telcos are greedy and adding all these stupid charges.

Must fulfil all conditions. Partial cannot make it lah. Why do I need to pay to move esim around when physical sim is free all the while?

 

[Byfrost]

Singtel has esim soon? Is this a sign?

 

[sadboy]

Maybe preparing for iPhone 15... Not too sure if Apple will release eSIM only version to SG market?

 

[EuroR_CL7]

I know ST has a QR card supporting eSims but it doesn't seem like they are doing it for end users tier yet.
Every telco offers a QR code that expires which they can of course bill u for renewal.

1 phone situation:
If u think about situations were u have a phone exchanged or replaced, u probably will need a sim to kick start your phone first before probably downloading a QR code from your cloud notes or email. Still makes physical sim more convenient in this sense?

 

[sadboy]

Physical and eSIM both have their good and bad.

For 1 time usage like travel SIM card, I would prefer eSIM. Use and delete.

The convenient for Physical sim we all know about it nothing much to talk about.

 

[Fellowes]

Singtel has esim soon? Is this a sign?

Hope is true and ready for iPhone 15, they are lagging behind way too long. Of course they must settle the eSIM transfer issue whether to charge or like USA free to move eSIM.

 

[hereiam7788]

Singtel has esim soon? Is this a sign?

wow.... maybe it means that iphone 15 series will be 2 esim instead for lion city market this year???!!!!

 

[froztheart]

Problem is, and as I mentioned in my post, what you ask for is already there, or almost there, if we can get easy transfer between iOS/Android (but that’s another thing) but telcos are greedy and adding all these stupid charges.

Hopefully IOS & Android make it free and force telcos to make it a complimentary too.

 

[twosix]

Esim is the way to go as it will reduce physical waste. However, all these pledges to go green does not seem to concern the local Telcos as they continue to impose fees on using esim which in turn stunt the use.

 

[Groudon]

Singtel Prepaid now has eSIM, as speculated: https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/mobile/prepaid-plans/hi-tourist

currently looks available only for tourist plans.

 

[firesong]

Esim is the way to go as it will reduce physical waste. However, all these pledges to go green does not seem to concern the local Telcos as they continue to impose fees on using esim which in turn stunt the use.

I am guessing they have spent so much stockpiling SIM cards that they don't want to bias customers against choosing their SIM cards - which are a cash cow (seriously, it costs them only a few cents each, but they are charging quite a lot for it)

When the stockpile depletes, it could change things. Or if more operators choose eSIM, especially for midrange China phones. For now, that looks unlikely as China has not embraced the technology.