New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

[xiaofan]

For those who do not plan to get 10G gears, but not willing to continue to recontract the 1Gbps plan from SingTel/M1/Starhub/MyRepublic/Viewquest, there is another good choice if SIMBA is available to you: to get WC 2.5Gbps + SIMBA 2.5Gbps plan. You pay only S$43.6 per month (GST included).

I do not recommend either WC 2.5Gbps plan (ONR, aggregated 2.5Gbps) or SIMBA 2.5Gbps plan (CGNAT, no digital voice if you need that, new player) if you just plan to get only one ISP. However, when you get both, you kind of sort out the limitations.

You can even use dual WAN Load Balance/Failover with a proper router and get redundancy and higher than 2Gbps wired speed as well as greater than 1Gbps wireless speed.

You can use routers like Asus RT-AX86U Pro, GT-AX6000 and Xiaomi BE7000. You can also use wired router like OpenWRT/pfSense using Intel N100 based mini PC with Quad 2.5G NICs plus cheap 2.5G APs like Asus TUF-AX4200, Xiaomi BE3600, etc.

 

[Henry Ng]

True. Guess i can wait till wifi 8 is announced by which time wifi 7 routers would i guess be more common & more affordable

Like that wait long long la. Wifi 7 will take very very long to be mainstream. May be in 2026 or 2027.

 

[Henry Ng]

But he was talking about waiting for WiFi 8 and that will take many years to come as well. ;-)

BTW, if Starhub takes out the bundled contents and only offer the all-in-one ONR (with wireless), then it can be considered as a no-frills plan.

No Starhub will not take away the free bundled TV contents or else it will be hard to sell the plan. Having the bundled contents will make the plan look better and more will sign as they are getting free contents.

 

[Mach3.2]

No Starhub will not take away the free bundled TV contents or else it will be hard to sell the plan. Having the bundled contents will make the plan look better and more will sign as they are getting free contents.

Doesn't have to be all or nothing. Historically they have offered both barebones fibre only plans and bundled plans with fibre + cable tv.

Good thing they do not take business advice from you, contrary to what you believe.

 

[commandowolf]

No Starhub will not take away the free bundled TV contents or else it will be hard to sell the plan. Having the bundled contents will make the plan look better and more will sign as they are getting free contents.

Starhub does offer a barebones 10Gbps broadband plan ah, $69.95

https://www.starhub.com/personal/st...products/ultraspeed-_onr-wifi_UltraSpeed.html

HomeHub+ UltraSpeed $88.77 is the one with TV.

 

[Henry Ng]

Doesn't have to be all or nothing. Historically they have offered both barebones fibre only plans and bundled plans with fibre + cable tv.

Good thing they do not take business advice from you, contrary to what you believe.

Yes, that is true in the olden days. But in 2024, understand that they are doing very well with the free bundled contents for their 10Gbps plan. When you look carefully at their plans, 2Gbps is just $1 more and user get to upgrade to 10Gbps internet speed and also get to watch Premier+ so if a user want to upgrade and move beyond 1Gbps and want something value for $, most of them will select 10Gbps plan as it is more value for $.

 

[Mach3.2]

$69.95

this $70 plan includes 24 mths of premier+, if they take it out it can be cheaper.

 

[Mach3.2]

When you look carefully at their plans, 2Gbps is just $1 more and user get to upgrade to 10Gbps internet speed and also get to watch Premier+ so if a user want to upgrade and move beyond 1Gbps and want something value for $, most of them will select 10Gbps plan as it is more value for $.

Simpler explanation is they are doing this to pad their 10Gbps user base numbers during this trial period.

If I watch EPL, it's a no brainer to sign up for their 10Gbps plan even if I have no 10GbE gear. You'd find that most people who signed up have 0 use case for 10GbE, and while it may seem nice of starhub to offer this bundle, in reality it basically cost them nothing extra to do it because baseline bandwidth usage for residential homes are very low.

Let me reuse this screenshot again, The daily average bandwidth utilisation for my house is less than 10Mbps if you smooth out the peaks.

 

[Singrish]

Hmm, if you plan to buy a 10G capable Mac Mini M3 or Mac Studio, then I do not see an issue to go and subscribe to MR 10Gbps plan.

The MR installer should be able to carry out the test, just like Starhub/SingTel installer.

But if my current MBP doesn’t support 10gbps how will he confirm the speed is ok?

 

[Mach3.2]

how will he confirm the speed is ok?

he have his own computer?

it's bad practice to test something with unknown equipment (from telco pespective) anyway.
When they test using your computer and can't hit 10Gbps, is it really the connection problem or is it because customer's PC cannot actually hit 10Gbps due to some weird problem in their setup?

If customer's computer chibabom while the technician is using it to run speedtests, who assume liability?

 

[Singrish]

he have his own computer?

it's bad practice to test something with unknown equipment (from telco pespective) anyway.
When they test using your computer and can't hit 10Gbps, is it really the connection problem or is it because customer's PC cannot actually hit 10Gbps due to some weird problem in their setup?

If customer's computer chibabom while the technician is using it to run speedtests, who assume liability?

Ok good to know cos i was on VQ then singtel before m1. And all 3 times when installer came they tested speed on my laptop

But as someone in another thread mentioned, which i totally overlooked, its not compulsory for me to renew my m1 broadband when it expires in may 2024 what. I just continue paying monthly which costs more but any time can terminate once i get my M3 mac mini/studio.

 

[xiaofan]

this $70 plan includes 24 mths of premier+, if they take it out it can be cheaper.

That is what I believe Starhub will do in the end.

 

[Henry Ng]

That is what I believe Starhub will do in the end.

Honestly i understand that SH will want to promote this contents and i believe this is unlikely to happen. Now this plan is 10Gbps and Premier so it is two in one. Like killing two birds with one stone.

 

[xiaofan]

Honestly i understand that SH will want to promote this contents and i believe this is unlikely to happen. Now this plan is 10Gbps and Premier so it is two in one. Like killing two birds with one stone.

I understand and I tend to agree with you in the short time they will use the contents bundle to attract more customers. I am more talking about the future, say one year or two years later.

 

[reds1idingear]

Apologies if this is not right place to ask but I can't find a better place.

For the bundled Netflix premium with Starhub broadband plans, has anyone successfully managed to add a new netflix household? I tried asking Netflix support but they claim not possible as charging is managed by Vendor. Suchub support worse, don't know what I'm taking about.

 

[xiaofan]

Apologies if this is not right place to ask but I can't find a better place.
For the bundled Netflix premium with Starhub broadband plans, has anyone successfully managed to add a new netflix household? I tried asking Netflix support but they claim not possible as charging is managed by Vendor. Suchub support worse, don't know what I'm taking about.

I do not use Netflix but what is the issue you are facing?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/124925
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/128339

By right you do not need to do much if you use the same internet connection for your devices. In fact you do not need to do anything as per the above link since they will create one for you automatically.

If you want to use it in another location, I guess that is not supported.

 

[Elijahonli]

Apologies if this is not right place to ask but I can't find a better place.

For the bundled Netflix premium with Starhub broadband plans, has anyone successfully managed to add a new netflix household? I tried asking Netflix support but they claim not possible as charging is managed by Vendor. Suchub support worse, don't know what I'm taking about.

LIke what @xiaofan shared, you can only setup a household from a TV. If you are just mainly using it on your mobile phone or PC, believe they don't have "household" restrictions yet.

 

[GlassDoor]

I used to like Edgerouter Lite due to its EdgeOS being licensed from Vyatta. Now for my StarHub 10G in bridge mode, I'm using VyOS 1.4 rolling with the Dell Edge 640 I bought recently. The 640 has 2 x 10G SFP+ ports with 6 x 1G copper ports.

I also run 2 units of the 640 as proxmox hosts, very efficient with C3758 8-core and 32GB RAM. I may put the remaining 2 units up at Carousell soon.

Done any loading test?
I spin up 1.4 rc3 to play around. running it on n305 with dual 2.5G i226. with forwarding and simple firewall rules. i managed to pushed the n305 cpu above what I am usually comfortable with as a router.
given C3758's core is much older (slower) compared to n305 I have my reservation for it pushing 10gb IMIX
I must admit, I have barely touched the documentation of vyos 1.4. from first glance QAT on c3758 is used only for encryption offload. Are DPDK and VPP in use already? I didn't gather much on vyos forum. Any benefit to use C3xxx processors instead of newer faster ones like i3-n305?

I didn't find any hardware using C5xx processors yet
but came across this
https://www.qotom.net/product/RouterPC_Q20331G9S10.html

connectivity is nice although the 2.5gbe are based on i225 and not i226 and is only S$300+
so if c3758 or c3758R can push 10gbe throughput with forwarding,NAT with simple fw rules... it is probably worth the effort to cook up.

 

[reds1idingear]

I do not use Netflix but what is the issue you are facing?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/124925
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/128339

By right you do not need to do much if you use the same internet connection for your devices. In fact you do not need to do anything as per the above link since they will create one for you automatically.

If you want to use it in another location, I guess that is not supported.

Oh Its to share netflix account with another family member not staying in same household. Pay some fees but cheaper than regular new account.
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/123277#

 

[Henry Ng]

Apologies if this is not right place to ask but I can't find a better place.

For the bundled Netflix premium with Starhub broadband plans, has anyone successfully managed to add a new netflix household? I tried asking Netflix support but they claim not possible as charging is managed by Vendor. Suchub support worse, don't know what I'm taking about.

all use the same password and the bundle Netflix can only be use for one household only. Yes add new household must add $ for the extra household la.