M1 FIBRE BROADBAND DISCUSSION - Part 2
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Arandalo
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Check your service agreement/contract. There's a table which shows the breakdown of early termination fee depending on the number of months left in the contract.Anyone knows how the early termination fee is calculated? Wish to jump ship but contract still have 4 months to go
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why jump?Anyone knows how the early termination fee is calculated? Wish to jump ship but contract still have 4 months to go
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I'm running pfsense on mini pc and contemplating whether to get the 2gbps or 1gbps.
I think link aggregation is not an issue for my setup but what are the use cases for aggregate 2gbps?
For just $2, you get double the bandwidth, it does look quite tempting
I think link aggregation is not an issue for my setup but what are the use cases for aggregate 2gbps?
For just $2, you get double the bandwidth, it does look quite tempting
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Dual 1Gbps plans with GPON ONT (SH/M1 2Gbps plan at S$39) -- used to be expensive and does not make sense to go. But things changes now and I think it is good especially since the price of M1/SH 2Gbps plan are at S$39 per month now.
Aggregated 2Gbps or 2.5Gbps plan with GPON ONR (WC 2.5Gbps plan at S$21.80 per month), Singtel 2Gbps plan, VQ 2.5Gbps plan) -- IMHO not very useful for power users, unless you can bridge the ONR. Take note the reports show that newly issued ZTE ZXHN F620 GPON ONR for WC 2.5Gbps plan and Singtel 2Gbps/2.5Gbps plan is pretty easy to bridge.
True 2.5Gbps plan (SIMBA 2.5Gbps plan at S$21.80 per month) -- unfortunately SIMBA is not proven in stability and many users complained about slow SpeedTest results. It is also using CGNAT without static IPv4 add-on. Not worth the risks now.
True 5Gbps plan with ONT (Starhub 5Gbps plan with ONT + your own router option at S$45 per month, or S$55.36 with ONT + TP-Link EB810v WiFi 7 router option) -- this can be another option for some power users as well.
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M1 is known to be not good for China, but is it so bad?
From MR thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/myrepublic-fibre-part-5.4981088/page-364
Singtel results for reference (using wireless, Asus RT-AX86U router, Singtel 1Gbps plan, ONT user).
From MR thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/myrepublic-fibre-part-5.4981088/page-364
Singtel results for reference (using wireless, Asus RT-AX86U router, Singtel 1Gbps plan, ONT user).
Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest> tracert -4 1688.com
Tracing route to 1688.com [140.205.174.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms RT-AX86U-2D40 [192.168.50.1]
2 11 ms 3 ms 4 ms bb220-255-94-254.singnet.com.sg [220.255.94.254]
3 5 ms 4 ms 3 ms 165.21.193.22
4 3 ms 2 ms 3 ms 165.21.193.21
5 11 ms 3 ms 3 ms 165.21.138.245
6 3 ms 3 ms 4 ms sn-sinqt1-bo403-ae1.singnet.com.sg [165.21.138.85]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 203.208.177.213
8 37 ms 11 ms 3 ms 203.208.154.57
9 72 ms 70 ms 73 ms 203.208.173.54
10 75 ms 68 ms 68 ms 219.158.19.78
11 67 ms 68 ms 68 ms 219.158.19.81
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 70 ms 84 ms 70 ms 140.206.111.210
15 * * 71 ms 42.120.241.34
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 69 ms 69 ms 68 ms 140.205.174.2
Trace complete.
PS C:\work\speedtest> tracert -4 alipay.com
Tracing route to alipay.com [110.76.8.255]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms RT-AX86U-2D40 [192.168.50.1]
2 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms bb220-255-94-254.singnet.com.sg [220.255.94.254]
3 * 3 ms 3 ms 165.21.193.22
4 4 ms 5 ms 3 ms 165.21.193.21
5 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms 165.21.138.245
6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms sn-sinqt1-bo403-ae1.singnet.com.sg [165.21.138.85]
7 4 ms 3 ms 4 ms 203.208.177.213
8 4 ms 9 ms 3 ms 203.208.154.57
9 70 ms 74 ms 79 ms 203.208.173.54
10 72 ms 68 ms 69 ms 219.158.8.189
11 69 ms 70 ms 69 ms 219.158.7.125
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * 72 ms * 139.226.230.162
14 81 ms * 88 ms 140.206.207.70
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 81 ms 80 ms 76 ms 110.76.8.255
Trace complete.
PS C:\work\speedtest> tracert -4 taobao.com
Tracing route to taobao.com [59.82.43.234]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms RT-AX86U-2D40 [192.168.50.1]
2 3 ms 3 ms 2 ms bb220-255-94-254.singnet.com.sg [220.255.94.254]
3 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms 165.21.193.22
4 5 ms 3 ms 6 ms 165.21.193.21
5 * 4 ms 4 ms 165.21.138.245
6 4 ms 6 ms 3 ms sn-sinqt1-bo403-ae1.singnet.com.sg [165.21.138.85]
7 3 ms 3 ms 9 ms 203.208.177.213
8 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 203.208.154.57
9 68 ms 72 ms 68 ms 203.208.173.54
10 78 ms 69 ms 72 ms 219.158.113.134
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * 91 ms 96 ms 139.226.232.74
14 * 70 ms * 140.206.111.198
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 99 ms 93 ms 95 ms 59.82.43.234
Trace complete.
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Thank for your reply. So just use Singtel normal plan can get this result? I just check Singtel doesnt have 1Gbps anymore. Min is 2Gbps enhanced at $42.90.
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My one is Singtel 1Gbps plan.
It is correct that Singtel no longer offers 1Gbps plan to new users.
But take note Singtel 2Gbps plan is using ONR (you may be able to bridge the ONR by yourself though, but not officially supported by Singtel). And Singtel may have bad routing to other locations compared to M1.
Singtel 1+1 Gamer Bundle has the Singtel ONR officially bridged (one port bridged for the bundled Asus RT-AX86U router, the other three ports unbridged). It is more expensive though.
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To me M1 and Starhub 500Mbps plan at S$30.45 are still of great value. For example, I am going to stick with Starhub 500Mbps plan (no contract since 2020) for the foreseeable future.
If you are looking at cheaper alternative like WC 2.5Gbps plan and SIMBA 2.5Gbps plan at S$21.80 per month, you may want to take a look at my comparison write-up.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...nd-whizcomm-boradband.6984714/#post-150697339
Personal Recommendations: just my personal opinion
Avoid SIMBA 2.5Gbps plan in general unless you use it as a backup ISP.
Avoid WC 2.5Gbps plan unless you really understand the weak points (eg: using ONR).
For an average user who want to have a low cost Fibre internet plan and do not mind the limitations of WC (including ONR), WC 2.5Gbps may be the way to go. Stability is the most important factor for average users.
For power users who want to take a bit of risk and bridge the WC ONR, it is an okay option (but please take note of the other weak points like bad international routing to some locations).
I am using RT-AX55 as my mesh now. My house is just 4br hdb so I don't think I need 2 mesh.
Is ASUS RT-AX3000P a better router than AX55?
Am thinking to swap it out with AX3000P which might help with better coverage as it's a newer model
Is ASUS RT-AX3000P a better router than AX55?
Am thinking to swap it out with AX3000P which might help with better coverage as it's a newer model
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There's more nuance to how a connection is considered good. connection speed is largely meaningless for most people, and is just a convenient number ISPs like to use to differentiate their services in the market.
the real metric that really matters is how well peered they are, and how much upstream capacity they have relative to their user base, and the quality of their upstream transit providers.
And guess what? this aspect isn't transparent, so good luck to you unless you put in effort to figure it out.
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My 5rm, but i have 4 generations of asus routers at home, so using 3 of them for mesh. Haha.
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Most likely no improvement with the coverage and only speed improvement. Both are the lowest end AX router from Asus with only 256MB of RAM.
I am probably biased but I do not recommend using RT-AX3000P or RT-AX55 as the main router, but I guess you only have a few devices and do not use much of the Asus router features.
You may want to post your floor plan. Many 4 room HDB will require two nodes due to placement constraints. For example, for new BTO flats, one may often need to put a router in the DB box to have the room LAN ports working. And then often another node is needed as the DB box will often not located in the central location.
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Good point.
On the other hand, each user has his or her own use case, so it is hard to say if one ISP is absolutely better than another ISP (taking about established ISPs here, not SIMBA which seems to be worse compared to any other ISP).
For example, I do not recommend new user to sign up for SingTel because of the use of ONR. But apparently there are many users who do not care about the limitations of ONR. Some may even prefer ONR as they want to save one router in the DB box.
Another case, you often like to criticize SingTel for bad international routing (thus often not good for gaming) which is quite true for some locations. But in reality it depends on the locations users care. M1 may be good for certain location yet very bad for other locations (read the China example being mentioned now).
On the backend capacity side, it seems to me SingTel may be the best. But then I will still not recommend SingTel for 5Gbps plan but rather I will recommend Starhub 5Gbps plan, because of the ONR used by SingTel. I tend to believe Starhub backend capacity issue is a temporary issue and most likely they should be able to support 5Gbps users well even during peak hours.
They may need more time to sort out capacity issues for 10Gbps users though, so I would not recommend Starhub/MR 10Gbps plan as of now.
Among the big three, M1 may be the weakest in terms of backend capacity. I suspect that is the main reason they are not launching 5Gbps/10Gbps plan now. The other concern may be due to the profitability issue. Starhub is very aggressive in terms of 5Gbps plan pricing at S$45. Even SingTel is quite aggressive with the S$49.9 new user 5Gbps pricing.
So yes there are many nuances that we would not know. The users may need to carry out more research, at least to ask in the respective thread.
But I guess most of the average users will not go wrong with the following plans.
1) M1 500Mbps plan (or Starhub 500Mbps for existing users)
2) M1 1Gbps plan (or Starhub 1Gbps for existing users)
3) M1 and Starhub 2Gbps plan at S$39 per month, but need to take note these two are dual 1Gbps plan and may need careful planning of the home network arrangement.
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Anyone choosing not to renew their M1 500mbps fibre contract but just continue with no contract since the price is the same? No intention to upgrade.
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I jus realised my parent house still using 500mb m1 fiberbroadband. It will be better(no brainer) to jus sign with whizzcomm for the 2.5gb yah?
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I went down to the shop the staff say no need renew. Can jump anytime. So I'm thinking of jumping as advised.
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