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I see, thanks for this. I really need to think the plans through. How's the status with MR 10gbps? Is it still having issues or resolved?

Not so sure about MR. You can check in the MR thread. Seems to be okay now as not many complaints like last time.

But to me Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer at S$29.55 per month is a superb offer, no need to go with 10Gbps plans. M1 6Gbps offer with a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 is also a superb offer but then it is not available in your area.

I went with Singtel 5Gbps plan myself. Before I signed up, it was easy to bridge the Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR. But then some changes happend on Singel side. Recent reports seem to indicate bridging is again possible but then one user still has problem. YMMV.
 

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Not so sure about MR. You can check in the MR thread. Seems to be okay now as not many complaints like last time.

But to me Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer at S$29.55 per month is a superb offer, no need to go with 10Gbps plans. M1 6Gbps offer with a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 is also a superb offer but then it is not available in your area.

I went with Singtel 5Gbps plan myself. Before I signed up, it was easy to bridge the Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR. But then some changes happend on Singel side. Recent reports seem to indicate bridging is again possible but then one user still has problem. YMMV.
I cant seem to find the Starhub 5gbps ONT offer? Could you help me with the link please? Thanks!
 

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For the SH $29.55 ONT option, am i correct to assume NLT service activation is not free?

if so, how much is the cost to activate NLT service?
 

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Thanks Xiaofan for the advice. M1 6gbps is not available in my area yet.
Maybe I should wait and see how things develop then
 

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I'm moving to my new place coming soon, and need to decide on a ISP.
Have been a loyal customer of singtel for more than 15 years - but mostly due to the incovenience of porting over.

Now that there is a fresh start - what is recommended?
Its a small 780 sqft place.
Just a couple living.
Bit of online gaming and netflix.
Bought a TP LINK X80 during 11 11 sale for the new place as well.
Cheap and good - definitely most ideal, and works with the router i bought
 

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I'm moving to my new place coming soon, and need to decide on a ISP.
Have been a loyal customer of singtel for more than 15 years - but mostly due to the incovenience of porting over.

Now that there is a fresh start - what is recommended?
Its a small 780 sqft place.
Just a couple living.
Bit of online gaming and netflix.
Bought a TP LINK X80 during 11 11 sale for the new place as well.
Cheap and good - definitely most ideal, and works with the router i bought

Does the new flat has LAN ports in the rooms? Do you have the floor plan with details of the locations of the FTP and LAN ports in the rooms (if any)? Will you use wired devices or only wireless devices?

ISP plan -- want to go with cheaper plan, then I will say Starhub 5Gbps offer at S$29.55 per month (Links are in the first page of this thread) may be of the best value. Whether to go with the ONR and ONT option may depend on the floor plan and use cases.

Deco X80 has one 2.5G WAN port and two 1G LAN ports.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/deco/deco-x80/#specifications

The following two connection schemes are for reference only. They may not match your use cases.

Example connection scheme 1: assuming you have LAN ports in the rooms but only use wireless devices.
Starhub XGS-PON ONT --> living room LAN port --> Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port), using the 5Gbps plan as 2.5Gbpe plan but that is fine.

Example connection scheme 2: assuming you have LAN ports in the rooms and like room LAN ports to be functional.
Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONR in DB Box, wireless SSID 1
Nokia ONR 10G LAN port --> living room LAN port --> Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port), wireless SSID 2
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port 1 --> bedroom LAN port --> Nokia Beacon 2 mesh node, wireless SSID 1
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port 2 --> main bedroom LAN port -->wired device if any
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port 3 --> not used
 
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Does the new flat has LAN ports in the rooms? Do you have the floor plan with details of the locations of the FTP and LAN ports in the rooms (if any)? Will you use wired devices or only wireless devices?

ISP plan -- want to go with cheaper plan, then I will say Starhub 5Gbps offer at S$29.55 per month (Links are in the first page of this thread) may be of the best value. Whether to go with the ONR and ONT option may depend on the floor plan and use cases.

Deco X80 has one 2.5G WAN port and two 1G LAN ports.
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/home-networking/deco/deco-x80/#specifications

The following two connection schemes are for reference only. They may not match your use cases.

Example connection scheme 1: assuming you have LAN ports in the rooms but only use wireless devices.
Starhub XGS-PON ONT --> living room LAN port --> Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port), using the 5Gbps plan as 2.5Gbpe plan but that is fine.

Example connection scheme 2: assuming you have LAN ports in the rooms and like room LAN ports to be functional.
Starhub Nokia XGS-PON ONR in DB Box, wireless SSID 1
Nokia ONR 10G LAN port --> living room LAN port --> Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port), wireless SSID 2
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port 1 --> bedroom LAN port --> Nokia Beacon 2 mesh node, wireless SSID 1
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port 2 --> main bedroom LAN port -->wired device if any
Nokia ONR 1G LAN port 3 --> not used
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This is my floor plan.

THe x80 i boughht is the 2 pack version so 1 master + 1 sat
LR = living room
SR = study room
BR = Bedroom
LR got 2 lan points represented by the X, the fibre point will be placed at the same area as well - that is the tv side
SR 1 lan point, represented by X
BR also 1 lan , at X .

Study room will have 1 deskstop, which i think i might use lan cable for.
Living room will have 1 PS5, which i think will use wired as well -

Rest will be just wireless.

I'm assuming since i bought my own router - i should use the ONT route...?
 
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This is my floor plan.

THe x80 i boughht is the 2 pack version so 1 master + 1 sat
LR = living room
SR = study room
BR = Bedroom
LR got 2 lan points represented by the X, the fibre point will be placed at the same area as well - that is the tv side
SR 1 lan point, represented by X
BR also 1 lan , at X .

Study room will have 1 deskstop, which i think i might use lan cable for.
Living room will have 1 PS5, which i think will use wired as well -

Rest will be just wireless.

I'm assuming since i bought my own router - i should use the ONT route...?

In this case, you can indeed go with the ONT option. Looks like your patch panel is in the living room area where your FTP and two LAN ports are located.

1. Without buying anything extra, the following should work.
1) Starhub XGS-PON ONT (single 10G LAN port functional) --> Main Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port) in the living room, using the 5Gbps plan as 2.5Gbps plan, which is perfectly fine.

Main Deco X80 1G LAN port 1 --> PS5

2) Main Deco X80 1G LAN port 2 --> Study Room LAN port --> second Deco X80 in study room as mesh node.
Second Deco X80 LAN port --> Desktop in Study Room

2. Deco X80 has only two LAN ports, so the LAN port in the Bedroom will not be functional. If you want to overcome that limitation, I will suggest to get a cheap gigabit switch like the TP-Link TL-SG105 (<S$30).

1) Starhub XGS-PON ONT (single 10G LAN port functional) --> Main Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port) in the living room, using the 5Gbps plan as 2.5Gbps plan, which is perfectly fine.

2) Main Deco X80 1G LAN port 1 --> TL-SG105 switch LAN port 1

3) TL-SG105 switch LAN port 2--> PS5 console in living room

4) TL-SG105 switch LAN port 3 --> Study room LAN port --> Desktop in Study Room

5) TL-SG105 switch LAN port 4 --> Bedroom LAN port --> second Deco X80 in bedroom as mesh node.

3. One problem is the area below the household shelter will have poor WiFi, no matter Option 1 or Option 2. The poor WiFi is because of the poor position of the household shelter.

4. BTW, is this a resale unit and the LAN ports are added by you?

5. If you want to use the 5Gbps plan in the future, or upgrade to 10Gbps plan in the futute, you may consider upgrade the main router to Deco BE85 (dual 10G ports, dual 2.5G ports), you should still be able to reuse your two Deco X80 as mesh nodes.

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In this case, you can indeed go with the ONT option. Looks like your patch panel is in the living room area where your FTP and two LAN ports are located.

1. Without buying anything extra, the following should work.
1) Starhub XGS-PON ONT (single 10G LAN port functional) --> Main Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port) in the living room, using the 5Gbps plan as 2.5Gbps plan, which is perfectly fine.

Main Deco X80 1G LAN port 1 --> PS5

2) Main Deco X80 1G LAN port 2 --> Study Room LAN port --> second Deco X80 in study room as mesh node.
Second Deco X80 LAN port --> Desktop in Study Room

2. Deco X80 has only two LAN ports, so the LAN port in the Bedroom will not be functional. If you want to overcome that limitation, I will suggest to get a cheap gigabit switch like the TP-Link TL-SG105 (<S$30).

1) Starhub XGS-PON ONT (single 10G LAN port functional) --> Main Deco X80 (2.5G WAN port) in the living room, using the 5Gbps plan as 2.5Gbps plan, which is perfectly fine.

2) Main Deco X80 1G LAN port 1 --> TL-SG105 switch LAN port 1

3) TL-SG105 switch LAN port 2--> PS5 console in living room

4) TL-SG105 switch LAN port 3 --> Study room LAN port --> Desktop in Study Room

5) TL-SG105 switch LAN port 4 --> Bedroom LAN port --> second Deco X80 in bedroom as mesh node.

3. One problem is the area below the household shelter will have poor WiFi, no matter Option 1 or Option 2. The poor WiFi is because of the poor position of the household shelter.

4. BTW, is this a resale unit and the LAN ports are added by you?

5. If you want to use the 5Gbps plan in the future, or upgrade to 10Gbps plan in the futute, you may consider upgrade the main router to Deco BE85 (dual 10G ports, dual 2.5G ports), you should still be able to reuse your two Deco X80 as mesh nodes.

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Thanks for the advice.

Yes it's a resale, and during the reno I asked for the additional Lan ports to be fixed
 

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Hi Xiaofan, we are in the midst of planning our ethernet wiring/ wireless solution for our resale hdb house. Do you recommend the M1 6gbps with BT10 (it’s available in my area), or the StarHub 5gbps?

Currently we only have ethernet in the living room. (Red dot) If we’re already having wireless 7 is it worth it to pull the ethernet cable through all the rooms?

Otherwise we we initially planning to put 1 BT10 node at the living room and 1 at the master bedroom.

 

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Hi Xiaofan, we are in the midst of planning our ethernet wiring/ wireless solution for our resale hdb house. Do you recommend the M1 6gbps with BT10 (it’s available in my area), or the StarHub 5gbps?

Currently we only have ethernet in the living room. (Red dot) If we’re already having wireless 7 is it worth it to pull the ethernet cable through all the rooms?

Otherwise we we initially planning to put 1 BT10 node at the living room and 1 at the master bedroom.



Firstly, it is better not to address the question directly to me. I am not a networking professional and my opinion may be wrong or biased. I do not reply to technical questions using pm because of this reason since others cannot correct me or offer alternative suggestions. And when you address the questions to me, other people may not want to reply already.

My comments below are for your reference, just my personal opinion. Standard disclaim applies: no warranty, YMMV. Free suggestions, no charges either. :D

1. Internet plan --> M1 6Gbps with a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 should be good to go.

In terms of cost, both M1 6Gbps plan or Starhub 5Gbps plan, the difference is not big.

M1 6Gbps with a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 --> S$59.90 per month

Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer with EB810 (S$360) +EB810v (S$360) --> effective price at S$29.55+S$15 x 2 = S$59.55 per month

Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer with EB810 (S$360) +HB710 (S$192) --> effective price at S$29.55+S$15+S$8 = S$52.55 per month

Since you are using M1, I think recontract with M1 is easier. M1 may have better customer service than Starhub and M1 digital voice is free.

2. Wireless solution -- better to lay Ethernet Cable to the rooms and use Ethernet Backhaul

The floor plan is again a difficult floor plan
due to the location of the household shelter location. Recently in the forum I have seen similar floor plans a few times, some are BTOs with LAN ports in the rooms, some of resale plats without LAN ports in the rooms.

I do not think your original plan will work well using wireless backhaul. The mesh node in the Main Bedroom cannot have good connection with the main node. Areas like the kitchen and service yard may be poor.

So it is good to pull Ethernet cables to the rooms, including one LAN port in the kitchen area. In that case, you can use the following configuration. The patch panel can be in the existing LAN port location in the living room.

M1 XGS-PON ONT --> Asus ZenWiFi BT10 unit 1 as main AImesh router in living room (10G WAN port)

ZenWiFi BT10 10G LAN port --> patch panel --> LAN port in Main Bedroom (can also be the centre bedroom) --> Asus ZenWiFi BT10 unit 2 as AImesh mesh node (Ethernet backhaul)

ZenWiFi BT10 1G LAN port --> cheap 1G switch --> patch panel --> LAN port in the other two bedrooms and kitchen area

LAN port in kitchen area --> cheap AP if WiFi is poor, for example, RT-AX3000P in AP mode (probably not a good idea using AImesh in this case as it is a low end WiFi 6 router and not a good match with ZenWiFi BT10).

It is also possible to upgrade the above configuration easily in the future. For example, you can add a 2.5G/10G combo switch after the main ZenWiFi BT10 10G LAN port and then distribute the 10G port and 2.5G ports to the other rooms, or even a pure 10G switch when the price goes down.

3. Second option -- die die do not want to lay Ethernet cables --> not recommended

Get one more node of Asus ZenWiFi BT10, probably at about S$400 to S$450 if M1 users start to dump the router.

M1 XGS-PON ONT --> Asus ZenWiFi BT10 unit 1 as main AImesh router in living room --wireless backhaul --> ZenWiFi BT10 unit 2 as AImesh mesh node in the right bedroom --> wireless backhaul --> ZenWiFi BT10 unit 3 as another AImesh mesh node in the main bedroom

You may need to optimize the placement to get the better results.

Kitchen and service yard area may still have poor WiFi unless you add another BT10 in the lower side of the living room (line of sight with main router in the living room).
 
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Firstly, it is better not to address the question directly to me. I am not a networking professional and my opinion may be wrong or biased. I do not reply to technical questions using pm because of this reason since others cannot correct me or offer alternative suggestions. And when you address the questions to me, other people may not want to reply already.

My comments below are for your reference, just my personal opinion. Standard disclaim applies: no warranty, YMMV. Free suggestions, no charges either. :D

1. Internet plan --> M1 6Gbps with a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 should be good to go.

In terms of cost, both M1 6Gbps plan or Starhub 5Gbps plan, the difference is not big.

M1 6Gbps with a pair of Asus ZenWiFi BT10 --> S$59.90 per month

Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer with EB810 (S$360) +EB810v (S$360) --> effective price at S$29.55+S$15 x 2 = S$59.55 per month

Starhub 5Gbps ONT offer with EB810 (S$360) +HB710 (S$192) --> effective price at S$29.55+S$15+S$8 = S$52.55 per month

Since you are using M1, I think recontract with M1 is easier. M1 may have better customer service than Starhub and M1 digital voice is free.

2. Wireless solution -- better to lay Ethernet Cable to the rooms and use Ethernet Backhaul

The floor plan is again a difficult floor plan
due to the location of the household shelter location. Recently in the forum I have seen similar floor plans a few times, some are BTOs with LAN ports in the rooms, some of resale plats without LAN ports in the rooms.

I do not think your original plan will work well using wireless backhaul. The mesh node in the Main Bedroom cannot have good connection with the main node. Areas like the kitchen and service yard may be poor.

So it is good to pull Ethernet cables to the rooms, including one LAN port in the kitchen area. In that case, you can use the following configuration. The patch panel can be in the existing LAN port location in the living room.

M1 XGS-PON ONT --> Asus ZenWiFi BT10 unit 1 as main AImesh router in living room (10G WAN port)

ZenWiFi BT10 10G LAN port --> patch panel --> LAN port in Main Bedroom (can also be the centre bedroom) --> Asus ZenWiFi BT10 unit 2 as AImesh mesh node (Ethernet backhaul)

ZenWiFi BT10 1G LAN port --> cheap 1G switch --> patch panel --> LAN port in the other two bedrooms and kitchen area

LAN port in kitchen area --> cheap AP if WiFi is poor, for example, RT-AX3000P in AP mode (probably not a good idea using AImesh in this case as it is a low end WiFi 6 router and not a good match with ZenWiFi BT10).

It is also possible to upgrade the above configuration easily in the future. For example, you can add a 2.5G/10G combo switch after the main ZenWiFi BT10 10G LAN port and then distribute the 10G port and 2.5G ports to the other rooms, or even a pure 10G switch when the price goes down.

3. Second option -- die die do not want to lay Ethernet cables --> not recommended

Get one more node of Asus ZenWiFi BT10, probably at about S$400 to S$450 if M1 users start to dump the router.

M1 XGS-PON ONT --> Asus ZenWiFi BT10 unit 1 as main AImesh router in living room --wireless backhaul --> ZenWiFi BT10 unit 2 as AImesh mesh node in the right bedroom --> wireless backhaul --> ZenWiFi BT10 unit 2 as another AImesh mesh node in the main bedroom

You may need to optimize the placement to get the better results.

Kitchen and service yard area may still have poor WiFi unless you add another BT10 in the lower side of the living room (line of sight with main router in the living room).
Thank you so much for the advice!
 

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My take of new Singtel 3Gbps offer at S$29.90 per month.

New Singtel 3Gbps plan offer at S$29.90 per month.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/3gbps-enhanced-plan

Singtel says the offer is only new customers or targetted existing customers only. But other existing Singtel users can still try to negotiate with Singtel to get the same offer as well. It can be a good option for existing customers since it is cheaper than the 2Gbps recontract offer at S$37.90 per month.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/recon-dm/fibre-2g

Looks like Singtel really follws up with the competition from Starhub seriously. But I am guessing that they may already lose quite some customers to Starhub.

Take note Singtel only has ONR option (one 10G LAN port and 4 x 1G LAN ports for ZTE F8648P ONR, or 3 x 1G LAN ports for Nokia XS-240X-A ONR) and comes with lousy Singtel AX5400 wirelss router (1Gbps only, automatically running in AP mode behind the ONR) which you can safely put aside since it is not very useful).

Apple to apple comparison of wireless performance with the default bundle:
Starhub S$29.55 per month 5Gbps ONR special offer vs Singtel 3Gbps at S$29.90 per month offer.
Nokia XS-2426X-A ONR (AX6000) + Nokia Beacon 2 >> Singtel wired ONR (no wireless function) + Singtel AX5400 router

Good thing about Singtel --> stable, with some contents bundle, free digital voice.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singtel-5gbps-enhanced.7030365/page-15

https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/3gbps-enhanced-plan

Fibre Plan includes:


1. Nice finding, another hidden link added here.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singapore-isp-comparisons.6665380/#post-138746082

2. Terms and conditions --> they always say only for new customers or targetted existing customers. But other existing Singtel users can try to negotiate with Singtel to get the same offer as well.
https://www.singtel.com/content/dam.../fibre-3gbps-enhanced-plan-btl-eform-tncs.pdf

Promotion ends 30 November 2024. Applicable for new Fibre Broadband sign-ups and intended recipient only.

All promotions and additional add-on items are on a first-come-first-served, while stocks last basis. Singtel
reserves the right to change models of devices due to stock availability. All prices stated are inclusive of GST
calculated at the prevailing GST rate. Prices will be adjusted according to any changes to prevailing GST rates.


3. Typical setup intended by Singtel
https://www.singtel.com/content/dam...ments/fibre-3gbps-enhanced-plan-faq-setup.pdf
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