Asus WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E routers

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personally i feel for home user, you do not need to buy the "higher price" fastest and most powerful router, a mid-range like TUF-BE6500 (from China) would be good enough, with the money saved now, probably you can buy newer mid-range router every year on and on, instead of spending higher (2x more) cost on the most powerful router and wait every 3yrs to upgrade.

what are your views?
 

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personally i feel for home user, you do not need to buy the "higher price" fastest and most powerful router, a mid-range like TUF-BE6500 (from China) would be good enough, with the money saved now, probably you can buy newer mid-range router every year on and on, instead of spending higher (2x more) cost on the most powerful router and wait every 3yrs to upgrade.

what are your views?
If you have deep pockets ok lah. Even if one doesn't need the highest end router, just buy. For me I have a modest 4 devices connected via wired (including a second router used as AI mesh node) and 3-5 devices connected wirelessly (depending on occasion).

Do I need something powerful ike BE98? No. But if I had deep pockets sure I'd get 2 (one as mesh node) cos why not? Realistically I would most likely get one of the following:

- 2 Asus RT-BE88U used with TP-link TL-SM5310-T 10gbase-t transceiver.
- A pair of Asus BQ16 mesh
- A pair of Asus BT10 mesh

BT10 because that's bundled with M1 and I'm currently on M1 but contracted so can't upgrade to 10 gbps. Assuming by the time contract is up and I can upgrade, the bundled router is still BT10, then out of laziness and convenience, BT10 is a no brainer for me. M1 installer comes, does everything & viola. I just edit whatever later after he leaves.

But BT10 has very few ports. A bit risky even for my modest needs cos in future if I add more wired devices it's gonna be an issue. So as far as mesh goes, BQ16 is probably safer even though it is larger i.e. an eye sore. And I'll need to install it myself cos no ISP installer will set up your own router but its paired out of the box, so ok lah not too bad.

BE88U would be the most powerful and future proof out of my 3 options. Costs the most too but still very affordable compared to two BE98 or even a BE98 with a BE96 or BE19000AI (if either ever arrive in SG) used as node. But set up wise obviously the most hassle especially since I plan to use wired backhaul.

Am far from a network expert but I did set up my existing AI mesh comprising AX88U and AX58U. But I did have a MBP back then so it was easy moving it around. Have since sold it for Mac mini. Hopefully having a fixed computer in my bedroom doesn't make setting up AI mesh a headache compared to having a laptop to move around.

As to your question about upgrading every 3 years. Just me nah but I can't bother cos too much hassle setting up. Plus unless some super duper new feature comes out which I really need, I don't see the point. In fact all this time I have never upgraded of the sake of doing so.

Upgrading from wifi 5 to wifi 6 was a no-brainer. Could probably have used the AC88U for a while longer but decided to replace it. Didn't see a need to get wifi 6E router or even a 1 gbps or 2.5 gbps wifi 7 router. Next big step when my M1 contract is up would be 10 gbps wifi 7 router.

Would I replace it with a 10 gbps wifi 8 router when those arrive? Probably not, unless my router is about to conk. Simply cos 10 gbps is more than enough for my needs and whether its wifi 8 or 9, I don't see any real benefits based on my existing usage. But sure. if my wifi 7 router is gonna uplorry and the wifi 8 or wifi 9 router is reasonably priced, why not?
 

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personally i feel for home user, you do not need to buy the "higher price" fastest and most powerful router, a mid-range like TUF-BE6500 (from China) would be good enough, with the money saved now, probably you can buy newer mid-range router every year on and on, instead of spending higher (2x more) cost on the most powerful router and wait every 3yrs to upgrade.

what are your views?

I kind of use your strategy for my mobile phone purchase --> buy only mid-range Androdi phones at about S$400 and then use it for about two years.

Router is a bit different and the progress is much slower than mobile phone. So I think very few people will use your strategy.

People change router for a few reasons.
1) WAN speed change due to Fibre internet plan changes. Eg: 1Gbps --> 2.5Gbps --> 10Gbps

1Gbps was the norm for many years. Only starting from last year XGS-PON based plans start to be popular. Suddenly there is a need to get 10G or at least 2.5G capable router to fully utilize the bandwidth provided by the Fibre internet plans.

This is probably one of the main reason why people change the main router now.

2) LAN speed change due to the use of wired device. This is related to #1 but can be a bit different.

For example, RT-AX86U has single 2.5G port (WAN/LAN). So technically people can use it for 2.5Gbps internet plan. But then wired device is only able to reach 1Gbps. Some people would then like to upgrade the router to able to consume 2.5Gbps bandwidth.

Same for Asus RT-BE86U which has single 10G WAN port and quad 2.5G ports. It is actually an okay choice for 5Gbps/6Gbps/10Gbps plan, as long as you are okay with the limitation that wired device can only reach 2.5Gbps.

3) WiFi standard spec change. Eg: WiFi 5 (AC) --> WiFi 6 --> WiFi 6E (many people skip this upgrade) --> WiFi 7

This is another major reason why people upgrade.

4) Old router EOLed by the provider -- no more security updates

An example is that Asus has EOLed all the WiFi 5 consumer routers. So it is better to upgrade to avoid security concerns.

5) To improve wireless coverage --> to add one more AP or mesh node
 

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Challenges for Asus WiFi 7 router users.

Somehow the top WiFi 7 download and upload speed achieved are all from TP-Link WiFi 7 routers (except for dual band WiFi 7 router without 6GHz band --> that one is from Asus TUF-BE6500).
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/wifi-7-device-speedtest-and-wifi-7-adapters.7048233/

1) Record download speed by jasonho --> 4886Mbps
Router : Qnap Qhora-302 <—double NAT—> Archer BE805 TPLink wireless router. <--Wifi 7 MLO--> Oppo Find X8 Pro
ISP : MyRepublic 10Gbps plan

Phone is 1.5m away from TP-Link Archer BE805. Surrounded by other wireless routers (Qhora Wifi, Asus GT6)
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...d-deco-wifi-6e-7-mesh-solution.6953682/page-7
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2) Second best in this forum for overall best WiFi 7 Speed, by kashix, using TP-Link Archer BE550 Pro and Xiaomi 14.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...wifi-7-adapters.7048233/page-4#post-154024186

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3) Best WiFi 7 speed using Dual Band WiFi 7 router without 6GHz band, by deepakmayekar, using Asus TUF-BE6500 router, Intel BE200 WiFi 7 adapter.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-tuf-be3600.6952409/page-10#post-153501129

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4) Best upload speed at 3978Mbps.

SpeedTest done by @seowbin withTP-Link Archer BE800 and Intel BE200.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...200-vs-ax210-vs-be200-got-difference.6978264/
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How come TPlink is faster tho?

I do not think TP-Link is really faster, but rather TP-Link flagship routers are cheaper and more users are using it. Coupled with flagship Android phones, they can achive very fast WiFi 7 speed.

I do not think there are many users of Asus ROG GT-BE98 and ZenWiFi BQ16 now in this forum. There will be many more users with TP-Link Archer BE805 (bundled by MR and M1), Archer BE800 and Deco BE85.

Edit to add:
That being said, the top speed by jasonho using Oppo Find X8 Pro may have something to do with the MediaTek Dimensity 9400 chipset used in the mobile phone. Mediatek Dimensity 9400 chipset may have the best client side MLO implementation now. It could also be that MediaTek Dimensity 9400 chipset on the Oppo Find X8 Pro matches well with the TP-Link Archer BE805 router chipeset which happens to use MediaTek Filogic 880 chipset.
https://wifinowglobal.com/news-blog...n-jumps-ahead-of-the-competition-company-says
 
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We can also see from the following Dongknow reviews that Asus routers (Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro and Asus ROG GT-BE98 Pro) are occupying the top spots in terms of WiFi 7 speed (10 feet or 3m distance).

Note: Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 Pro and Asus ROG GT-BE98 Pro are not available in Singapore since 6GHz-2 band is not approved for WiFi usage in Singapore (or in Europe and many parts of the world).

https://dongknows.com/tp-link-deco-be25-deco-be5000-mesh-system-review/
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https://dongknows.com/tp-link-archer-ge800-be19000-gaming-router-review/
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personally i feel for home user, you do not need to buy the "higher price" fastest and most powerful router, a mid-range like TUF-BE6500 (from China) would be good enough, with the money saved now, probably you can buy newer mid-range router every year on and on, instead of spending higher (2x more) cost on the most powerful router and wait every 3yrs to upgrade.

what are your views?

Router is not like handphone, you don't get much performance boost by buying every year, it's actually more like every 2 years. New wifi standard with significant performance once every 4 years. So for a normal user should keep to upgrading once every 4 years, buying a decent mid-high range router.
 

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Other than the China routers, one needs to look no further than Carousell for the TP-Link BE230 WiFi 7 router, which M1 customers are getting rid of for $100 BNIB. I can squeeze 2Gbps of WiFi speed out of it and range is powerful. Currently using 3 in a mesh.
 

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Other than the China routers, one needs to look no further than Carousell for the TP-Link BE230 WiFi 7 router, which M1 customers are getting rid of for $100 BNIB. I can squeeze 2Gbps of WiFi speed out of it and range is powerful. Currently using 3 in a mesh.

Good suggestion for those budget hunters.
 

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just bought TUF-AX4200 from China but adapter comes with flat pins. what is the correct 3-pin power supply adapter to buy?
 

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just bought TUF-AX4200 from China but adapter comes with flat pins. what is the correct 3-pin power supply adapter to buy?

Just use cheap 3-pin adapter.

I like the following one (usually bought from NTUC) and I only use one or at most two of the three sockets.
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Just use cheap 3-pin adapter.

I like the following one (usually bought from NTUC) and I only use one or at most two of the three sockets.
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Thanks but it adds to thickness at the wall socket and there is no space with how my furniture is arranged.
 

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Hi, need some help. Currently have a GT-BE98, would like to know if I get a RT-BE92U as a AIMESH node. Will it be a good option? Or is there a better cheaper alternatives?
 

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Hi, need some help. Currently have a GT-BE98, would like to know if I get a RT-BE92U as a AIMESH node. Will it be a good option? Or is there a better cheaper alternatives?
I paired it ROG-GT6 as a node. Been using this for sometimes with BE98 using Wireless backhaul with no issue. GT6 has compact design to keep it hidden in my bedroom. Please take note that GT6 does not support MLO, do not enable it. Tried once and it was chaotic in my case.
 

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Hi, need some help. Currently have a GT-BE98, would like to know if I get a RT-BE92U as a AIMESH node. Will it be a good option? Or is there a better cheaper alternatives?
wired or wireless backhaul ? If wireless backhaul, do note be92u 5ghz is only 2x2
 

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At one point, VQ was offering this bundle but it is no longer available.

Has anyone here used the Asus RT-BE88U and the Huawei OptiXstar S800E XGS-PON SFP+ ONU on VQ?

Is this bundle problematic so they discontinued it?

I am contemplating to sign up to their SFP+ Module Bundle plan, and purchase my own Asus RT-BE88U router. FYI, I have no experience with SFP+ so I hope I am not making more problems for myself. It is attractive to have one less bulky item (ONT) in the mix for the home network.

Your thoughts is much appreciated.
 
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