[15 Mar 2025] Bartley Rd East accident: 70-year-old motorcyclist dies; 30-year-old female driver arrested

tokong

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Wow I looked at the beedio again. The uncle did not wear helmet properly, it flew until very high. :frown:
 

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That's why the post-mortem very important. What is the cause of death? Human body is fragile at the head, neck, spine and an unprotected heart.

If it is caused at the head region, the cha bor will confirm plus chop fight on the helmet technicality.

If multi organ trauma causes the death, the cha bor will Gg gao lat...
it look like spine got hit........
 

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TP's favourite charge is "failure to keep a proper lookout".

Whoever thought of this is a genius, no way to get away.
failure to keep a proper lookout's punishment is
"Anyone guilty of being a repeat traffic offender could be jailed for up to two years and fined up to S$5,000, or both.

If the offence is in connection with driving a vehicle, the offender could be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driving licence for life or within a period that the court deems suitable."

vs Careless driving leading to death's punishment is

"Up to 3 years imprisonment and/or fine of up to $10,000"


WIth no minimum punishment, it could end up as a fine only.....And if the lawyer tokong enough, can argue the careless driving leading to death to failure to keep a proper lookout lol.....
 

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If the post-mortem says death due to excessive trauma to the head, the lady and her lawyer ( if she got money to hire Lee &Lee lah ) can fight hard on that saying that the helmet was supposed to be fastened. If fastened, will not mati.....


The whole charge will get amended lor.....

SG court doesn’t take this position for criminal court case at least from precedent cases

think this below link explains it better, accused drive car bang into another car and killed kid who was not wearing child restraint, the accused try to argue that not wearing child restraint contributed to the kid’s death and his culpability and sentence should be lower, but the judge said it’s not mitigating factor..

https://www.justclick.sg/sgbreakingnews/driver-loses-appeal-against-jail-for-crash-that-killed-baby

A young probationary driver who caused the death of a baby in a car he hit appealed against his four-week jail term, arguing that the death was partly caused by the negligence of the baby's father in not using a child restraint.

Yesterday, Nickson Guay Seng Tiong's appeal for a fine instead of jail was quashed by the High Court.

"In my judgment, the failure to properly secure the deceased in an approved restraint is not a relevant consideration in sentencing since it can have no bearing on the negligence of the appellant," said Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon.


"The fact of the matter remains that the appellant drove into a cross junction without keeping a proper lookout."
 

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SG court doesn’t take this position for criminal court case at least from precedent cases

think this below link explains it better, accused drive car bang into another car and killed kid who was not wearing seat belt, the accused try to argue that not wearing seat belt contributed to the kid’s death and his culpability and sentence should be lower, but the judge said it’s not mitigating factor..

https://www.justclick.sg/sgbreakingnews/driver-loses-appeal-against-jail-for-crash-that-killed-baby

A young probationary driver who caused the death of a baby in a car he hit appealed against his four-week jail term, arguing that the death was partly caused by the negligence of the baby's father in not using a child restraint.

Yesterday, Nickson Guay Seng Tiong's appeal for a fine instead of jail was quashed by the High Court.

"In my judgment, the failure to properly secure the deceased in an approved restraint is not a relevant consideration in sentencing since it can have no bearing on the negligence of the appellant," said Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon.
u still have to crash into it. its not an excuse........
 

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in the eyes of the law he might have to share some blame

and looks like his helmet flew off upon impact? maybe he didnt secure it properly? things might be different if it was on

I think uncle kena long gah jin jialat. Helmet flew out immediately, maybe back of his head hit the windscreen liao. After that he slowly rolled from the top of the car and fell onto the bitumen.
 

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SG court doesn’t take this position for criminal court case at least from precedent cases

think this below link explains it better, accused drive car bang into another car and killed kid who was not wearing seat belt, the accused try to argue that not wearing seat belt contributed to the kid’s death and his culpability and sentence should be lower, but the judge said it’s not mitigating factor..

https://www.justclick.sg/sgbreakingnews/driver-loses-appeal-against-jail-for-crash-that-killed-baby

A young probationary driver who caused the death of a baby in a car he hit appealed against his four-week jail term, arguing that the death was partly caused by the negligence of the baby's father in not using a child restraint.

Yesterday, Nickson Guay Seng Tiong's appeal for a fine instead of jail was quashed by the High Court.

"In my judgment, the failure to properly secure the deceased in an approved restraint is not a relevant consideration in sentencing since it can have no bearing on the negligence of the appellant," said Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon.
That's why post-mortem is important lor...How he died is key here......
 

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"In my judgment, the failure to properly secure the deceased in an approved restraint is not a relevant consideration in sentencing since it can have no bearing on the negligence of the appellant," said Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon.

"The fact of the matter remains that the appellant drove into a cross junction without keeping a proper lookout."
Bumpz for charleslee1989 to read.
 

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Let's make myself clear. Both car drivers and motorcyclist have responsibility. It's your choice to check your rear mirror...

I don't know what you called victim blame whatever... It only matter you are not the victim lying in hospitals or a casket...

I always check my rear mirror... To avoid being the victim... It is absolutely everybody's choice whether you check your rear mirrors.
Which is why you don't get it, the uncle checked already then moved off. Look at 0:05-0:06, his head turned slightly to the right to look at the mirror.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1XSrZMCzMf/

Simply put, the car came into the red light too fast and the uncle couldn't have spotted her in the mirror since she had 0 intention of stopping anyway.
 

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Bike turn out never check. Always tot cars will slow down and give way..

Then this car go so fast..
The woman go so fast at the junction red light. The footage is from a cam bike that had stopped there for the red light.

This one no chance to avoid, just look at the speed she is going.
 
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