We better have kids...

[coyote]

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[TheApathetic]

Maybe 56-58kg something only... Oh. The nursing home showed us, it took two female caretakers to lift my mother up, each holding up your armpits... going by that logic, one may hire two female caretakers and one specially trained nurse to care for us at home when we are 75 and above...

i will pretty much send myself for euthanasia before the age of 70.
Not going to burden anyone.

 

[kuti-kuti]

Gov cannot be stubborn lah.
Want sg couples to give birth more but COL so high. Gov must give free education, free hospitalisation and subsidised baby food etc, then more will give birth

 

[TheApathetic]

Gov cannot be stubborn lah.
Want sg couples to give birth more but COL so high. Gov must give free education, free hospitalisation and subsidised baby food etc, then more will give birth

People from first world country are generally not so family oriented.
Mostly is those from less developed countries are more family oriented and like the house to be lively because they are used to growing with many siblings and they want the same environment when they grow up. One example is malaysian chinese. They seem to prefer lively household environment with multiple generation interacting with each other.

Normally, If you are used to a small family, you wouldn't want a super big family. Of course there are exceptions when some people born in a big family hates such environment and prefer a smaller family.

 

[hardwriter]

Well I have to disagree but you are entitled to your opinion.

You can have your own opinion too.

Just the difference between us is that your opinion is wrong.

I won't say my opinion is correct but yours is surely wrong

 

[trd_charlie]

I'm sure edmwers have lots of money to retire, more than they can spend in their life time hiring a helper and a private nurse simultaneously ...

Sorry to say, the strongest female nurse couldn't lift up my mother... Hiring nurse is very expensive in Singapore ... Helpers are cheaper but do you count on your helpers to remember what medicines your parents or yourself take when we are at age 65 or 75?

one eg.
3 levels of medications prescribed to prevent inflammation.

Level 1 Anti inflammation medication cause gastric, so doctor prescribed level 1 anti acid for level 1 anti inflammation med. In case level 1 anti acid not work, doctor prescribed level 2 anti acid, gaviscon as next level of protection.

If level 1 don't work, go
Level 2 anti inflammation drug and it caused nausea, so doctor prescribed level 2 anti vomit med.

If level 2 don't work, go
Level 3 anti inflammation drug caused nausea and shared the same anti vomit drug with level 2.

Doctor prescribed 3 levels of anti constipation medication
Level 1 is liquid
Level 2 is pills
Level 3 is physically applied to the butt...

Can we still follow such complication instructions when we are 65? How about 75?

Do we still have the same sane mind to decipher at 65 or 75? Or we expect the stay in helper to do that? If the stay in helper is not smart enough, we hire a stay in helper and a stay in nurse? Because the nurse probably couldn't lift us up when we are immobile at 65 or 75? How? Check ourselves into folks home as last resort? Then it only matters the children visit us at the home from time to time, so that those caretakers will not bully us when nobody's watching.

Disclaimer: just an opinion piece. Individuals are free to choose their ways of life.

What does breeding have to do with eldercare planning? You don't think helpers have the mental capacity to follow those simple instructions? (Yes they are not complicated at all, it's not algebras and algorithms). If nurses who are professionally trained can't handle the elder what makes you think the children can? Caretaker bullying the elder? Most of the time it's the other way around. I've seen so many cases of nasty elders bullying the caretakers. Your post contains nothing constructive but emotional manipulation and guilt tripping nonsense to justify breeding. Shame on you.

 

[coyote]

People from first world country are generally not so family oriented.
Mostly is those from less developed countries are more family oriented and like the house to be lively because they are used to growing with many siblings and they want the same environment when they grow up. One example is malaysian chinese. They seem to prefer lively household environment with multiple generation interacting with each other.

Normally, If you are used to a small family, you wouldn't want a super big family. Of course there are exceptions when some people born in a big family hates such environment and prefer a smaller family.

Not necessarily.

 

[coyote]

You can have your own opinion too.

Just the difference between us is that your opinion is wrong.

I won't say my opinion is correct but yours is surely wrong

That's perfectly fine.

 

[TheApathetic]

Not necessarily.

Can you elaborate instead of posting a picture ?

 

[coyote]

What does breeding have to do with eldercare planning? You don't think helpers have the mental capacity to follow those simple instructions? (Yes they are not complicated at all, it's not algebras and algorithms). If nurses who are professionally trained can't handle the elder what makes you think the children can? Caretaker bullying the elder? Most of the time it's the other way around. I've seen so many cases of nasty elders bullying the caretakers. Your post contains nothing constructive but emotional manipulation and guilt tripping nonsense to justify breeding. Shame on you.

I have my 3rd helpers by now and yes, most do not have the mental capacity to handle complicated medical instructions. Children however will care much more about their parents and made sure their parents do not take the wrong medicines. My current one, I had to teach her 4 times and eventually doing it in front of her to show her how to cook a proper wanton noodles. She joined us for 6 months and my kids never like wanton noodles until I made them one time when the helper was on leave. My kid said, papa I want this wanton noodles for tomorrow breakfast too.

Nurses are trained to handle medical instructions yes! But they are not trained to singlehandedly lift up a patient that's totally incapable of moving herself. Orpisia was surprised too, so he's going try it on her mum it seemed, asking her pretend to be immobile he tries to lift her. Practicing is believing.

No I'll intentions whatsoever... Just sharing my personal opinions. It's ok you totally disagree and think it's bs also... Peace. Peace... Just sharing.

 

[coyote]

Can you elaborate instead of posting a picture ?

Ang moh values family also. That's the point. Singapore's way is best actually, give you extra proximity grant if staying near parents. Not Malaysian way, few families staying in one house creating conflicts. Not the American way, staying too far away. Singapore policy is the best of both worlds and even giving grants on your housing purchase.

 

[GarnetDragon]

Can't have kids if we're single AF BBFAs 🫠

 

[TheApathetic]

Ang moh values family also. That's the point.

"Western societies often champion individualism, where personal aspirations and achievements are highly celebrated. While this has led to tremendous progress in various fields, it has also inadvertently shifted the spotlight away from collective family ties. The emphasis on personal success, careers, and individual happiness can sometimes overshadow the importance of strong family connections."

"Asian cultures often place value on spending time together. Rituals like family meals and communal celebrations remain deeply ingrained, fostering an environment for stronger familial bonds to flourish. The concept of “family first” often takes precedence over individual pursuits, reinforcing the sense of togetherness."

https://medium.com/illumination/why-family-bonds-are-fragile-in-western-countries-d15f420f1bfe

Ang moh in general are DEFINITELY not as family oriented as Asians.

In Asian cultures, family relationships have MUCH STRONGER EFFECT in how happy people feel than in Western cultures.

Chinese naming: Family name (surname) comes FIRST, then personal name - showing family identity comes before individual identity
Western naming: Personal name comes FIRST, then family name (surname) - showing individual identity comes before family identity

 

[trd_charlie]

I have my 3rd helpers by now and yes, most do not have the mental capacity to handle complicated instructions. My current one, I had to teach her 4 times and eventually doing it in front of her to show her how to cook a proper wanton noodles. She joined us for 6 months and my kids never like wanton noodles until I made them one time when the helper was on leave. My kid said, I want this wanton noodles for tomorrow breakfast too.

Nurses are trained to handle medical instructions yes! But they are not trained to singlehandedly lift up a patient that's totally incapable of moving herself. Orpisia was surprised too, so he's going try it on her mum it seemed, asking her pretend to be immobile he tries to lift her. Practicing is believing.

No I'll intentions whatever... Just sharing my personal opinions. It's ok you disagree and think it's bs also... Peace. Peace... Just sharing.

Your post was talking about how helpers can't follow step by step medication administration. Now you divert topic talk about cooking wonton mee. You hire helper or chef? If a nurse can't lift an elder what makes you think the children can? What if all daughters? This is a matter of gender and strength, not caretaker and children.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

so the purpose of having kids is to raise them to be caregiver??? is that the right mentality???

 

[mickey88]

Really poor post.
Don't know what TS is driving at

Tell u..better die than sick..can understand his feelings. I told my mother on types of medication for my late father..she stunned by all the instructions

 

[pwillie]

have kids = free labour.... haha

 

[BlackWing1977]

 

[coyote]

Your post was talking about how helpers can't follow step by step medication administration. Now you divert topic talk about cooking wonton mee. You hire helper or chef? If a nurse can't lift an elder what makes you think the children can? What if all daughters? This is a matter of gender and strength, not caretaker and children.

Brother, as I illustrated in post one, it's not a simple step by step instructions... Every step has to exercise discretion. Again, if you dwell deeper into my explanation, I could lift my mum. But the medically trained nurse could not. She admitted it and said she could not take our money but unable to fulfill the expectations(this is real life example), she gave up and instead suggested us to send my mum to folk's home. So, do you want a muscle man stay in nurse to handle your mum, would your mum feel comfortable a male nurse handle her? The nurse told me they were not trained to handle immobile seniors. They helped to render medical assistance like dressing of wounds which some diabetic seniors have. Handle complicated medical instructions with personal discretion as I illustrated in post #1, inject insulin, measure blood sugars, measure blood pressure, CPR and etc.

 

[hhab6ch]

Brother, as I illustrated in post one, it's not a simple step by step instructions... Every step has to exercise discretion. Again, if you dwell deeper into my explanation, I could lift my mum. But the medically trained nurse could not

Try that when you are 50+ to 70+ years old...... If you fall, you will need 2 helpers/nurses, 1 for each patient.

My relatives ended up sending their mother to a nursing home. Not only because they have to work. I don't think all of them are working. Some are reasonably rich. But there is one common fact. All of them are 70+ years old. Their mother is 90+ years old.

All of them have their own grandchildren. If they keep their mother at home, I wonder how messy the relationships will be. 4 generations in the same house......