We better have kids...

[trd_charlie]

Brother, as I illustrated in post one, it's not a simple step by step instructions... Every step has to exercise discretion. Again, if you dwell deeper into my explanation, I could lift my mum. But the medically trained nurse could not. She admitted it and said she could not take our money but unable to fulfill the expectations(this is real life example), she gave up and instead suggested us to send my mum to folk's home. So, do you want a muscle man stay in nurse to handle your mum, would your mum feel comfortable a male nurse handle her? The nurse told me they were not trained to handle immobile seniors. They helped to render medical assistance like dressing of wounds which some diabetic seniors have. Handle complicated medical instructions with personal discretion as I illustrated in post #1, inject insulin, measure blood sugars, measure blood pressure, CPR and etc.

Steps where you have to exercise discretion are still steps. As long as they are explanatory and writable on a paper there's no reason any mentally functioning adult couldn't follow. I'll bet even a primary school kid can.

What's wrong with muscle man nurse? You jelly of muscle man? If anything I'll say the female elder more happy than not to have a young muscle man man-handle her at that age.

 

[TheApathetic]

Brother, as I illustrated in post one, it's not a simple step by step instructions... Every step has to exercise discretion. Again, if you dwell deeper into my explanation, I could lift my mum. But the medically trained nurse could not. She admitted it and said she could not take our money but unable to fulfill the expectations(this is real life example), she gave up and instead suggested us to send my mum to folk's home. So, do you want a muscle man stay in nurse to handle your mum, would your mum feel comfortable a male nurse handle her? The nurse told me they were not trained to handle immobile seniors. They helped to render medical assistance like dressing of wounds which some diabetic seniors have. Handle complicated medical instructions with personal discretion as I illustrated in post #1, inject insulin, measure blood sugars, measure blood pressure, CPR and etc.

If government allows euthanasia and the senior chose to euthanize himself then won't have so much problem.
Government no need to fear aging population, Individual no need to burden others to take care of you, reducing healthcare cost for society.
The person also gets to die with dignity too instead of being bedridden and\ needing people to take care of him at his last stage of time.
It's a win win

 

[coyote]

Tell u..better die than sick..can understand his feelings. I told my mother on types of medication for my late father..she stunned by all the instructions

See... Only those who went through knew...

 

[XiaoChilli]

If he meant to have kids to help him in old age...
He better wake up his idea

How can he be sure the kids can sustain themselves?
How can he be sure the kids are not born with defects or mental issues?
How can he be sure the kids live long enough?
How can he be sure the kids take care of the parents when young?

So many uncertainties

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If he meant to have kids to help him in old age...
He better wake up his idea

How can he be sure the kids can sustain themselves?
How can he be sure the kids are not born with defects or mental issues?
How can he be sure the kids live long enough?
How can he be sure the kids take care of the parents when young?

So many uncertainties

I think of that too. When my baby is born I will care for him no matter if he got the ability or mentality to care for me in the future or not.

If the kid will tk care of me its a bonus. If no, then too bad.

 

[coyote]

Try that when you are 50+ to 70+ years old...... If you fall, you will need 2 helpers/nurses, 1 for each patient.

My relatives ended up sending their mother to a nursing home. Not only because they have to work. I don't think all of them are working. Some are reasonably rich. But there is one common fact. All of them are 70+ years old. Their mother is 90+ years old.

Exactly.

 

[coyote]

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I think of that too. When my baby is born I will care for him no matter if he got the ability or mentality to care for me in the future or not.

If the kid will tk care of me its a bonus. If no, then too bad.

Yes. That's exactly my point. I have never once insisted the kids must care for me. If they care it's a bonus. If they don't, just too bad. At least I enjoyed my time with them and so do they. It's a precious and joyous moment in our life. My short journey on earth were not left with empty pages.

 

[XCalintz]

I'm sure edmwers have lots of money to retire, more than they can spend in their life time hiring a helper and a private nurse simultaneously ...

Sorry to say, the strongest female nurse couldn't lift up my mother... Hiring nurse is very expensive in Singapore ... Helpers are cheaper but do you count on your helpers to remember what medicines your parents or yourself take when we are at age 65 or 75?

one eg.
3 levels of medications prescribed to prevent inflammation.

Level 1 Anti inflammation medication cause gastric, so doctor prescribed level 1 anti acid for level 1 anti inflammation med. In case level 1 anti acid not work, doctor prescribed level 2 anti acid, gaviscon as next level of protection.

If level 1 don't work, go
Level 2 anti inflammation drug and it caused nausea, so doctor prescribed level 2 anti vomit med.

If level 2 don't work, go
Level 3 anti inflammation drug caused nausea and shared the same anti vomit drug with level 2.

Doctor prescribed 3 levels of anti constipation medication
Level 1 is liquid
Level 2 is pills
Level 3 is physically applied to the butt...

Can we still follow such complication instructions when we are 65? How about 75?

Do we still have the same sane mind to decipher at 65 or 75? Or we expect the stay in helper to do that? If the stay in helper is not smart enough, we hire a stay in helper and a stay in nurse? Because the nurse probably couldn't lift us up when we are immobile at 65 or 75? How? Check ourselves into folks home as last resort? Then it only matters the children visit us at the home from time to time, so that those caretakers will not bully us when nobody's watching.

Disclaimer: just an opinion piece. Individuals are free to choose their ways of life.

I am sorry. Old age is not an excuse to become dumb and unable to follow medication instructions.

I do take time off to follow my dad/mum to their medical appointment. Lots of old age ppl, but hardly have any children following them. So having kids doesn't mean you will have support when u are sick next time.

 

[buffybuffy]

我现在XX岁，生了小孩，等他长大我已经XX岁，在他 花样年华就丢了一个这么大的包袱给孩子。
我死了，孩子伤心，我也伤心。如果孩子他不伤心，我更伤心

At the age of 30-35 have a child. By the time he grown up and independent, you are already 60-65. At the child’s prime years, do you want to burden him down with yourself? If you passed on, the child will feel sad so as you. But if the child is not sad it will only makes you feel even sadder.

 

[coyote]

我现在XX岁，生了小孩，等他长大我已经XX岁，在他 花样年华就丢了一个这么大的包袱给孩子。
我死了，孩子伤心，我也伤心。如果孩子他不伤心，我更伤心

At the age of 30-35 have a child. By the time he grown up and independent, you are already 60-65. At the child’s prime years, do you want to burden him down with yourself? If you passed on, the child will feel sad so as you. But if the child is not sad it will only makes you feel even sadder.

Err your calculations is a little off. If you have a child at 30-35, your child will be 30-35 when you are 60-70. Their Prime is at their teen, mid to late twenties. At their 15 to 25, you will only be 45-50 which is very young and actually your next prime.

I'm fully aware those verses were from the movie The Last Dance... And his final choice eventually... He accepted it's no point to worry about death, life was never meant to be easy, just accept the baby, enjoy the journey with his girlfriend and future kid, whatever maybe maybe.

 

[Mephist0pheLes]

u think ur kids will be there to take care of u when u 65/75? come find u once a week steal laugh alr

 

[TheApathetic]

Err your calculations is a little off. If you have a child at 30-35, your child will be 30-35 when you are 60-70. Their Prime is at their teen, mid to late twenties. At their 15 to 25, you will only be 45-50 which is very young and actually your next prime.

I'm fully aware those verses were from the movie The Last Dance... And his final choice eventually... He accepted it's no point to worry about death, life was never meant to be easy, just accept the baby, enjoy the journey with his girlfriend and future kid, whatever maybe maybe.

What he said in the movie was just the director opinion.
In reality, dayo wong aka 黄子华 is single and no kids.

https://m.sohu.com/a/824631095_122006510/?pvid=000115_3w_a

黄子华表示片中的角色是导演的想法，现实中他无儿无女，没办法感同身受，说到不结婚不生小孩，用“栋笃笑”的方式回应：“我们要看是地球的哪一派，有生仔派，有不生派，我又不姓何（何鸿燊），没有那么多身家，怎么可以有这个东西（生小孩）。

https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20241107A016P200?web_channel=wap&openApp=false

 

[fandango]

How come pivot to talk about wanton mee??.?

 

[Asphodeli]

Yes. That's exactly my point. I have never once insisted the kids must care for me. If they care it's a bonus. If they don't, just too bad. At least I enjoyed my time with them and so do they. It's a precious and joyous moment in our life. My short journey on earth were not left with empty pages.

Lol that's cute. The universe doesn't care

 

[coyote]

Lol that's cute. The universe doesn't care

The universe is just vast endless emptiness. It can't care. Only we do, the spec of dust in the universe.

 

[coyote]

What he said in the movie was just the director opinion.
In reality, dayo wong aka 黄子华 is single and no kids.

https://m.sohu.com/a/824631095_122006510/?pvid=000115_3w_a

黄子华表示片中的角色是导演的想法，现实中他无儿无女，没办法感同身受，说到不结婚不生小孩，用“栋笃笑”的方式回应：“我们要看是地球的哪一派，有生仔派，有不生派，我又不姓何（何鸿燊），没有那么多身家，怎么可以有这个东西（生小孩）。

https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20241107A016P200?web_channel=wap&openApp=false

Of course. They are portraying characters.

 

[Asphodeli]

The universe is just vast endless emptiness. It can't care. Only we do, the spec of dust in the universe.

Let me put it this way, you are just a bundle of atoms, having emotions or opinions does not change that fact. Eventually we're all stardust, and the danger is in caring too much for things that don't really concern you, and you have no influence/power/effect over, which I think most of the EDMWers here are trying to put this point across to you.

 

[coyote]

Let me put it this way, you are just a bundle of atoms, having emotions or opinions does not change that fact. Eventually we're all stardust, and the danger is in caring too much for things that don't really concern you, and you have no influence/power/effect over, which I think most of the EDMWers here are trying to put this point across to you.

Of course, you can interpret that way from biology or science perspective. Then the tasty steak you are having is nothing more than just chemicals sending signals to your minds, your jaw muscles feeling the toughness of the steak combined as a sensation event... No different from being turned into human batteries like in Matrix...

Im talking about real feelings we have to our families... Why is our family our family and not someone else family? Why my conciousness is in this body and not yours. How my kids have their own conciousness, characters and feelings towards being family? Can't explain them. Just enjoy the experience.

 

[coyote]

Steps where you have to exercise discretion are still steps. As long as they are explanatory and writable on a paper there's no reason any mentally functioning adult couldn't follow. I'll bet even a primary school kid can.

What's wrong with muscle man nurse? You jelly of muscle man? If anything I'll say the female elder more happy than not to have a young muscle man man-handle her at that age.

You probably not at the stage where you need to administer medicines for seniors or lifting parents from wheelchairs to latrines or to the bathrooms... till that time... You come back and tell us that your primary school kids can take care of your aged old parents. It will be a miracle but a damn good one.

 

[dry_county]

Yes. That's exactly my point. I have never once insisted the kids must care for me. If they care it's a bonus. If they don't, just too bad. At least I enjoyed my time with them and so do they. It's a precious and joyous moment in our life. My short journey on earth were not left with empty pages.

I agree with you bro. Moreover, leaving an inheritance for my kids so that they have an easier life in the future is what motivates me to continue working. Otherwise i would have retired long ago....

 

[Kiwi8]

I'm sure edmwers have lots of money to retire, more than they can spend in their life time hiring a helper and a private nurse simultaneously ...

Sorry to say, the strongest female nurse couldn't lift up my mother... Hiring nurse is very expensive in Singapore ... Helpers are cheaper but do you count on your helpers to remember what medicines your parents or yourself take when we are at age 65 or 75?

one eg.
3 levels of medications prescribed to prevent inflammation.

Level 1 Anti inflammation medication cause gastric, so doctor prescribed level 1 anti acid for level 1 anti inflammation med. In case level 1 anti acid not work, doctor prescribed level 2 anti acid, gaviscon as next level of protection.

If level 1 don't work, go
Level 2 anti inflammation drug and it caused nausea, so doctor prescribed level 2 anti vomit med.

If level 2 don't work, go
Level 3 anti inflammation drug caused nausea and shared the same anti vomit drug with level 2.

Doctor prescribed 3 levels of anti constipation medication
Level 1 is liquid
Level 2 is pills
Level 3 is physically applied to the butt...

Can we still follow such complication instructions when we are 65? How about 75?

Do we still have the same sane mind to decipher at 65 or 75? Or we expect the stay in helper to do that? If the stay in helper is not smart enough, we hire a stay in helper and a stay in nurse? Because the nurse probably couldn't lift us up when we are immobile at 65 or 75? How? Check ourselves into folks home as last resort? Then it only matters the children visit us at the home from time to time, so that those caretakers will not bully us when nobody's watching.

Disclaimer: just an opinion piece. Individuals are free to choose their ways of life.

On the flipside, one can also decide to end the cycle on himself or herself so that your children would avoid having the same situation in future, and the grandchildren and the descendents too.