CIEM consolidation thread

[Rubick]

Oh I thought people buy ciem cause of the advantages of ciem other than sq. like better fit, better isolation, better comfort

And because it's perhaps cheaper and easier to buy a flagship ciem than to reshell a flagship universal

But as rubick has said, does that mean that ciem companies are the best iem makers out there even if they decided to go into universals?

It still dependa on the fit i tink. Coz by going custom with the perfect seal and isolation u will listen to the iem like wat it is actually design to sound like.
Regarding universal version of the ciem, it wont sound as gd as the actual custom

 

[Rubick]

post some link to share the comparison of ciem
ToTL Madness! 24 Top-of-the-Line Custom In-Ear Monitors Reviewed | InnerFidelity

 

[weng]

post some link to share the comparison of ciem
ToTL Madness! 24 Top-of-the-Line Custom In-Ear Monitors Reviewed | InnerFidelity

saw that last night... seems like if i'm ever gonna get ciem, es5 seems to be it.

 

[Rubick]

saw that last night... seems like if i'm ever gonna get ciem, es5 seems to be it.

hoot dah mtl

 

[XcoldstarX]

Do read up on my comparison of a universal and it's reshelled version for those guys who are looking into reshelling their universals:

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/h...ock-vs-custom-remould-impression-3610096.html

 

[TeamStereo]

Boh leh. I never even do review. Just a one sentence description

Rubick one sentence can kill so many already...

 

[Rubick]

Rubick one sentence can kill so many already...

waliew now even u all also aim me

 

[RazorLotus]

It still dependa on the fit i tink. Coz by going custom with the perfect seal and isolation u will listen to the iem like wat it is actually design to sound like.
Regarding universal version of the ciem, it wont sound as gd as the actual custom

hm...

thats not what i mean actually

I'm trying to remove all the unfair advantages that CIEM has and compare drivers and sound to drivers and sound.

That's why I'm comparing either customs to reshelled IEMs or universals from CIEM brands and normal mainstream brands.

like is a reshelled flagship IEM better than a flagship custom that a custom company has to offer? Regardless of price, different sound sig, tastes, and whatnots

like aside from westone and ue, how come the other companies don't produce ciems? And how come even for westone and UE, they don't produce ciem version of their flagship models?

Imagine UE selling custom tf10s, or westone with custom um3x

I do agree though, that to really get the most true and sound from the iem, the best is to reshell it to remove other factors such as fitting issues and isolation, leakage etc

 

[Rubick]

hm...

thats not what i mean actually

I'm trying to remove all the unfair advantages that CIEM has and compare drivers and sound to drivers and sound.

That's why I'm comparing either customs to reshelled IEMs or universals from CIEM brands and normal mainstream brands.

like is a reshelled flagship IEM better than a flagship custom that a custom company has to offer? Regardless of price, different sound sig, tastes, and whatnots

like aside from westone and ue, how come the other companies don't produce ciems? And how come even for westone and UE, they don't produce ciem version of their flagship models?

Imagine UE selling custom tf10s, or westone with custom um3x

I do agree though, that to really get the most true and sound from the iem, the best is to reshell it to remove other factors such as fitting issues and isolation, leakage etc

for me i tink the heir audio 4ai universal is one of the best universal iem i ever used. westone and ue do have ciem like the es5 or uerm

 

[RazorLotus]

for me i tink the heir audio 4ai universal is one of the best universal iem i ever used. westone and ue do have ciem like the es5 or uerm

no one understands what im trying to say

I meant aside from westone and UE, cause they have their ES5 and PRM... but those are skewed because they use the best audio technology and drivers available to them... I am comparing purely CIEM internal tech vs universals internal tech... not about fit issues and stuff like that anymore...

Normal people dont understand me for spending money on audio... audio people don't understand me when i'm trying to ask questions....

 

[Rubick]

no one understands what im trying to say

I meant aside from westone and UE, cause they have their ES5 and PRM... but those are skewed because they use the best audio technology and drivers available to them... I am comparing purely CIEM internal tech vs universals internal tech... not about fit issues and stuff like that anymore...

Normal people dont understand me for spending money on audio... audio people don't understand me when i'm trying to ask questions....

now u are asking a ciem in universal form.
the heiraudio 4ai is a universal form of the 4a custom.
tat is the best universal i have heard till date.
hope tt answer ur question

 

[RazorLotus]

Is it because of the fit???

 

[racoiaw]

What he's trying to say that is will ciem manufacturers be superior iem makers, coming from the fact that they have superior knowledge and skills in building iem related items.

Its hard to say actually. They have to balance out cost and skill and mass production is obviously very different from making single boutique items. While you can say that their experience will allow them to design better iems for mass production, from actual reality, looking at UE, westone etc there is simply not much difference

 

[Rubick]

Is it because of the fit???

The fit for the universal version of 4a is just like other universal iem.

From my listening, the custom 4a is about 10-20% improvement over the universal version

 

[RazorLotus]

Do read up on my comparison of a universal and it's reshelled version for those guys who are looking into reshelling their universals:

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/h...ock-vs-custom-remould-impression-3610096.html

That's a nice LOD. I tried doing a search for it but nothing came up

 

[RazorLotus]

The fit for the universal version of 4a is just like other universal iem.

From my listening, the custom 4a is about 10-20% improvement over the universal version

Nice

Very curious, what were you using before you got the 8a?

 

[Rubick]

Nice

Very curious, what were you using before you got the 8a?

Klipsch s4, tdk ba200, gr07, 3ai, 4ai,4a n 8a

 

[iAHBEE]

Comparing universals and customs abit off imo.

UE had UE10 before the UERM (I think they just rebranded it though), and it's was widely recognized that the UE10 was flat/neutral. Does the TF10 sound flat to you? Both were flagships in their own right years ago.

Different products for different needs I suppose :x



Edit: And I don't even know what am I relying to

 

[kennethtbh]

even the totl comparison exclude mg6pro.. lol. hard to find impressions liddat.. es5 seems interesting though.

 

[XcoldstarX]

That's a nice LOD. I tried doing a search for it but nothing came up

If you want, I can let go to you at a low price. Not using it anymore as I have moved from iPhone/iPod to Walkman F805.