[CONSOLIDATED] Air India plane crashes at India's Ahmedabad airport

[tmkedmw]

Fuel supply cutoff at that low altitude is gone case liao ....

The design of the switch prevents an accidental bump from moving it from run to cutoff
Deliberate action needed.
See pic below

 

[tmkedmw]

cutoff fuel is always allowed due to emergencies

Always allowed. False.
At such low altitude is tantamount to xxxxxx as the plane cannot recover but crash.

No sane pilot would cutoff fuel at such low altitude.

 

[mooseolly]

So is user problem or plane problem?

 

[Iyarash11]

sounds like a horrendous human error to me.

one more airline to avoid

yet no surprise, cos there might be very complex "computation" on going

 

[enimen]

Software engineer maybe can say oops, will do better next time.

This one cannot leh

 

[English Teacher]

When you’re driving a car in D mode, even though you purposely or accidentally put it to R mode, would it reverse?

non driver spotted

 

[pwongkk]

sounds like a horrendous human error to me.

one more airline to avoid

Not 1 but another 2 more sinkie airlines who are going to use their pilots.

 

[win_man]

Don't look like confusion with flipping flaps or landing gear switches since it is designed differently. Looks like did it on purpose or BOEING avionics or software again automatically override the switches.

 

[tmkedmw]

See this pic and explanation before more jjww


The design of the switch prevents an accidental bump from moving it from run to cutoff
Deliberate action needed.
See pic below

 

[ahnyaahnya]

Easier to say human error and just close case

Not likely error

 

[English Teacher]

Always allowed. False.
At such low altitude is tantamount to xxxxxx as the plane cannot recover but crash.

No sane pilot would cutoff fuel at such low altitude.

no sane pilot would do that yes.
mechanically, there is nothing stopping anyone to do that

 

[alex22]

Why when the plane is at a stage where it’s taking off, onboard computer knows that it should be taking off, allow the fuel to be cutoff instead of not allowing it to?

When you’re driving a car in D mode, even though you purposely or accidentally put it to R mode, would it reverse?

Above is my opinion and questions.

Lol how u do that? @tiffanydunk
Manual maybe can try clutch in, forcefully shift then release clutch la but Auto?

@English Teacher indeed

 

[tmkedmw]

Don't look like confusion with flipping flaps or landing gear switches since it is designed differently. Looks like did it on purpose or BOEING avionics or software again automatically override the switches.

Nah.
The switch was changed from run to cutoff, recorded by the black box and confirmed by voice recorded.

 

[crunsik]

Blame pilot

 

[win_man]

Nah.
The switch was changed from run to cutoff, recorded by the black box and confirmed by voice recorded.

oh ya forgot about that. That means deliberately set to cutoff and denied doing so.

 

[ahnyaahnya]

But pilots also gone liao and the last word is he didn't do it

So now like 死无对证 like that.

Very different situation and seriousness lei

Pilot kumgong go cut the fuel VS the plane ownself cut the fuel

Say didn't doesn't mean didn't

 

[pwongkk]

Why when the plane is at a stage where it’s taking off, onboard computer knows that it should be taking off, allow the fuel to be cutoff instead of not allowing it to?

When you’re driving a car in D mode, even though you purposely or accidentally put it to R mode, would it reverse?

Above is my opinion and questions.

Didn't do a thorough job in the programming or defining the interlocks for fuel cut off.

During take off, this should be disabled, or a secondary acknowledgement before it really gets enabled.

 

[tatsit]

Human error? More like incompetence.

An error is where given a situation, you made a decision that is wrong on a hindsight

Incompetence is when you do not know what or how. which is what happened in this incident, a switch requires deliberation to activate, was activated by a person who does not know what it does

 

[tmkedmw]

no sane pilot would do that yes.
mechanically, there is nothing stopping anyone to do that

Of course one can deliberately move the switch, but in response to an emergency at such low altitude?
Thmy response is your remark "always allowed in emergency" is incorrect. It's not allowed at low altitude.

 

[ahnyaahnya]

oh ya forgot about that. That means deliberately set to cutoff and denied doing so.

If admit, family very lose face . May affect insurance too?