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TUV2008

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How come today 關鍵avoid talking the 民調?

吳董wants to avoid malu?
 

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I think K P wont win one
last time hope he wins
After he flips prata, i think this kind no honour promises one is bky
the KMT VP candidate is gd and will score a lot of points too
He cant be that bad with K P

and K P wana mixed govt. Cannot even agree to agreed points, how to have combine govt.
Very hard and not practical.

by face, i think Hou face is not bad.
He shld be the next President unless his aura big change in these few days
 
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On voting day KP voting % will have the biggest drop, since all his voters are youngsters, and many youngsters will not go back vote.
i think shld be if hes voters kena polling will show the most honest reply haha
 

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Actually this election is not fair..

The winner will have less than 50% support of the people. Is not a majority.

The better way is to have a 2nd round if no party can get 50% + 1 vote.

Imagine lai wins with 35% vote while the other 2 got 30+%, so lai governs with only 1/3 of the population support, this is not democracy right? Governing with 1/3 support.. hmm

Same applies to our own election lo.. next time we may face the same thing, pap may get 40% while 2 opposition parties get 30% each
 

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Actually this election is not fair..

The winner will have less than 50% support of the people. Is not a majority.

The better way is to have a 2nd round if no party can get 50% + 1 vote.

Imagine lai wins with 35% vote while the other 2 got 30+%, so lai governs with only 1/3 of the population support, this is not democracy right? Governing with 1/3 support.. hmm

Same applies to our own election lo.. next time we may face the same thing, pap may get 40% while 2 opposition parties get 30% each

the flaw with FPTP
 

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I think K P wont win one
last time hope he wins
After he flips prata, i think this kind no honour promises one is bky
the KMT VP candidate is gd and will score a lot of points too
He cant be that bad with K P

and K P wana mixed govt. Cannot even agree to agreed points, how to have combine govt.
Very hard and not practical.

by face, i think Hou face is not bad.
He shld be the next President unless his aura big change in these few days
Ke can at best garner around 25% votes max max, no more. It’s just that his minority voters are very vocal and extreme both online and offline so it made it sounds like he has a lot of voters but no.

And because of that Hou needs to garner substantial percentage to then have a chance to beat Lai. Which is very very difficult.

There is very little doubt that dpp lai will win despite their horrible horrendous leadership in the past eight years.

And the main reason for that is due to Ke and his dishonourable act to refuse to form a united opposition front to win power from dpp.

To put it simply, that dishonourable man thought he could win all power by himself but reality is he only has around 25% vote max at best.
 

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Actually this election is not fair..

The winner will have less than 50% support of the people. Is not a majority.

The better way is to have a 2nd round if no party can get 50% + 1 vote.

Imagine lai wins with 35% vote while the other 2 got 30+%, so lai governs with only 1/3 of the population support, this is not democracy right? Governing with 1/3 support.. hmm

Same applies to our own election lo.. next time we may face the same thing, pap may get 40% while 2 opposition parties get 30% each

the flaw with FPTP
FPTP system is like that but it doesn't mean that "this is not democracy".

Democracy is the idea of making sure diverse voices are heard, even the minorities.

That's why FPTP system lets a candidate with so-called minority support have a chance to be elected. That candidate will still be considered democractically elected, doesn't mean he's not fitting if he only has a minority support.

Because democracy is a contest of ideas and ideals ... and democracy is to ensure that voters have a chance to choose and change when the term is up. If dpp retains power, it means they have enough people buying and support their ideas and ideals and enough voters don't want to take the chance to change. Enough for them to do so, no need majority.

That's why this idea of democracy works in this way, just not the way we expected it i.e. majority wins. It doesn't mean it doesn't work.

The only issue is DPP is rather horrendous. Their people are of low calibre and don't really care about lousy policies causing hardship and destruction and always want to benefit their own people and let their own people make riches.

Such a party .... should not retain power to govern Taiwan, it is so bad for Taiwan. So they should be changed.

Voters who want a change should not vote Ke because he doesn't have a chance to win and trigger that change. Due to the political reality in Taiwan.
 

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I noticed Taiwan politician copied what LHL said

Like William Lai say we should ,落叶生根 but not 落叶归根。LHL said before.

Like Ke P say we should 务实理性。LHL said before.

Like Zhao Shao Kang, we should avoid 误判 misjudgment in Taiwan straits. LHL said before.

How come they like to use what LHL said?
 

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closer to the polling day just everyday bring up 兩岸 and 服貿 then publish some fake polls showing DPP marginally losing to KMT, then all the swing voters and young voters in TPP will 歸隊 back to DPP giving William a comfortable lead ahead of the other two clowns
now is the time when DPP pretend going to lose to KMT, so KP can get whacked to 10-15%, then minus KMT 35-40%, 賴皮 can push even higher to 45-50%. disgusting isnt it, when media all under control of one gang, black can paint white, win can paint lose, in order to be greedy and win even more.
 

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when is 赖清德 going to kneel down from taipei to pingtung ??? no kneel no vote leh !!!
 

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now is the time when DPP pretend going to lose to KMT, so KP can get whacked to 10-15%, then minus KMT 35-40%, 賴皮 can push even higher to 45-50%. disgusting isnt it, when media all under control of one gang, black can paint white, win can paint lose, in order to be greedy and win even more.
That's why I am always always intrigued and puzzled .. why Taiwan voters so easy to con? Tw voters don't seem to know what's good and practical for them ...

They are easily influenced by campaigns and slogans, and all the fluffy ideals. They are not practical or realistic at all. They earn suppressed, low wages, and that's fine.. errr? Lol.

Ke is giving them high hopes but now is not the time for Ke to be able to execute and complete his promises. It's all fluff. It will a long long long time for Ke's ideals and promises to even have a chance of realising.

How come Taiwan voters so naive and don't know? And keep buying into false hope, false promises ...?
 

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统派 and 独派 both want eliminate ROC ?

But this 2 are actually very small like less than 1% of population right
 

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I think Ke P logic is there is no such thing as ROC?

He is more like thinking Taiwan is a city or place?
 

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I noticed Taiwan politician copied what LHL said

Like William Lai say we should ,落叶生根 but not 落叶归根。LHL said before.

Like Ke P say we should 务实理性。LHL said before.

Like Zhao Shao Kang, we should avoid 误判 misjudgment in Taiwan straits. LHL said before.

How come they like to use what LHL said?
did he invented those phrases b4?
 
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