[CONSOLIDATED][Russia Edition] General discussion on Ukraine/Russia war

[bakuten]

Err, yes, anything short of a complete Ukrainian capitulation, is a loss for Russia. U don't start a major war, just to grab some border towns/cities, and call that a win. Russia manufacturing capabilities has deteriorated throughout the decades, they procure new machines at a snail pace, meaning any combat loss is likely to be permanent.

guess your mind is made up.
just stick to your twitter and facebook news ba....this thread is probably not for you.

 

[tiobanned]

Singapore only country in South East Asia

 

[GoodBetterBest]

Reason for war. I guess Russia is under 2 (buffer zone) & 8 (against NATO). But I don't understand why Ukraine wants to put themselves in a position of getting into a war, not listed here. May be there is another category for that

https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/The-Main-Reasons-For-War

Eight Main Causes of War​

1. Economic Gain
2. Territorial Gain
3. Religion
4. Nationalism
5. Revenge
6. Civil War
7. Revolutionary War
8. Defensive War

2. Territorial Gain​

A country might decide that it needs more land, either for living space, agricultural use, or other purposes. Territory can also be used as “buffer zones” between two hostile enemies.

Related to buffer zones are proxy wars. These are conflicts that are fought indirectly between opposing powers in a third country. Each power supports the side which best suits their logistical, military, and economic interests.

Proxy wars were particularly common during the Cold War.

8. Defensive War​

In the modern world, where military aggression is more widely questioned, countries will often argue that they are fighting in a purely defensive capacity against an aggressor, or potential aggressor, and that their war is therefore a “just” war.

These defensive wars can be especially controversial when they are launched preemptively, the argument essentially being that: “We are attacking them before they inevitably attack us.”

 

[GoodBetterBest]

India media fed up with the US.

 

[Mechafanboy]

guess your mind is made up.
just stick to your twitter and facebook news ba....this thread is probably not for you.

Putin's Russia is not Stalin's USSR, some peepur appears to have nostalgia for the Soviet army but today circumstances is very different. During the 1920s-1930s, there was a baby boom, fertility rate was thru the roof, 6 children per woman, plenty of young boys to throw at the Nazis and still emerge victorious. Plenty of young adults then, to fuel the industries.

Today's Russia is not the same. For starters, they lost their floating dry dock 3 years back, and that's one of few facilities capable of servicing the Russia's largest surface vessels. Russia's industrial capabilities has deteriorated. Do you know that Russia was procuring military aircraft at a declining rate since the Crimea annexation? Everything points to a downward trend, which makes this war silly, and self defeating.

 

[ArcticCheetah]

I honestly find it hard to believe that Azov is only at the east side.

It's more like a kind of mindset or way of thinking. This mindset should be all over Ukraine what. How can you "denazify" only an east side when its the whole country that has these groups of people?

I think its more like they are managing expectations cos of constraints.

The Azov were sent to the East side to shell donbass, therefore they are largely there.

 

[Overture1928]

Err, yes, anything short of a complete Ukrainian capitulation, is a loss for Russia. U don't start a major war, just to grab some border towns/cities, and call that a win. Russia manufacturing capabilities has deteriorated throughout the decades, they procure new machines at a snail pace, meaning any combat loss is likely to be permanent.

The way I see it, the losses in hardware makes it almost impossible for Russia to mount another invasion. Their military hardware would also require components sourced from the Western allies.

At the moment, I'm relieved that it has not been further escalated to using chemical or nuclear weapons. Let's see what Zelensky makes out of this military occupation of Eastern Ukraine. I reckon he will want to reinforce his positions in Odessa. Retaking Mariupol makes little strategic sense but is only good for moral as the area has been sterlised by Russian artillery.

 

[Visor9999]

The way I see it, the losses in hardware makes it almost impossible for Russia to mount another invasion. Their military hardware would also require components sourced from the Western allies.

At the moment, I'm relieved that it has not been further escalated to using chemical or nuclear weapons. Let's see what Zelensky makes out of this military occupation of Eastern Ukraine. I reckon he will want to reinforce his positions in Odessa. Retaking Mariupol makes little strategic sense but is only good for moral as the area has been sterlised by Russian artillery.

Depends on what Biden do next, chemical warfare very possible, nato enter conflict confirm Putin will use nuke already.

 

[Visor9999]

go back. and read what they said.

it's not about face.

objectives is what is important here.

latest meeting between Ukrainian/Russian already agree upon 4/6 of Russia's demands.

2 remaining are Donbass and Crimea, the current announcement could just be a small concession for Ukraine to accept the remaining 2 demands.


it doesnt matter what we think is humiliating for the Russians if they achieve their demands of Ukraine.
they could care less about our opinions.

your way of thinking is like Zelensky winning the media war but losing the actual war.
you think Russians are humiliated, Russians laugh at you cuz they achieved all 6 of their demands.
Who really won everybody know. just nobody say out loud nia.

take your emotions out, filter out the noise, watch the signals.

Yes once Russia get the 6 objectives, it a matter of time they return for the rest of Ukraine.

 

[seePyou]

 

[Hiling care]

What is phase 2 of the war?

 

[tracerguy]

What is phase 2 of the war?

I ish think ruskie will secure eastern Ukraine first. Before anything else.

 

[eskimopalm]

What is phase 2 of the war?

Draw a imaginary DMZ, push to the line and declare

 

[tiobanned]

“What do we do now? What’s our plan? Everything is bad, nothing is working out?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russi...tins-war-failures-in-ukraine?via=twitter_page

 

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[Hiling care]

I thought TS said Mariupol taken over by Russians liao?

How come now still haven't?

Now the Ghost of Kyiv is looking more and more real.

 

[tracerguy]

India media fed up with the US.

The Indian in the Middle outgun the rest with his voice sia.

 

[tracerguy]

I thought TS said Mariupol taken over by Russians liao?

How come now still haven't?

Now the Ghost of Kyiv is looking more and more real.

I ish think haben 100% fall. Butch city center and government building fallen riao.

 

[Hiling care]

I ish think haben 100% fall. Butch city center and government building fallen riao.

TS run road liao? No more updates alr..

 

[eclipsemints]

I thought TS said Mariupol taken over by Russians liao?

How come now still haven't?

Now the Ghost of Kyiv is looking more and more real.

Progress will be slow because they are fighting builidng by building to clear the remaining troops in the area. FIBUA is not as easy as leveling entire city blocks with bombs.