CPF Account Value Thread 2023

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CPF shares means the shares you bought with CPF?
Yes shares were bought with OA. I rather not disclose the counters. But look out for counters that never fail to pay consistent dividend over many years, like banks. For now, T-bill is appealing but it's only for now and for 6 months only. Hopefully, the yield stays till my T-bill mature for rollover. And hopefully with rollover in Jun, my OA would grow from 586k in Dec 2022 to 615k by Dec 2023 instead of 602k if not invested.
 

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I do understand how it works. It is an insurance scheme not an investment scheme.
whatever you call it. it works by taking the interest of the people that die young and giving it to the people that do not die.
 

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Goes without saying, the gov got to make monies and guarantee to pay billions as CPF interest to CPF members and also contribute billions into our annual budget.
SSGS is just a pass-through financing vehicle for the govt.

Eventually cpf returns are dictated by GIC returns, which if not enough, means money printing has to kick in.
 

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About inflation... I happened to stumble into a historical article about McDonald's opening its first restaurant in Singapore in October, 1979. The starting wage at the first McDonald's in October, 1979, was S$1.00 per hour. $1/hour was fairly attractive back then.
 

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About inflation... I happened to stumble into a historical article about McDonald's opening its first restaurant in Singapore in October, 1979. The starting wage at the first McDonald's in October, 1979, was S$1.00 per hour. $1/hour was fairly attractive back then.
I remember it sounding super pathetic that it was $2/h back in the 1990s.
 

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About inflation... I happened to stumble into a historical article about McDonald's opening its first restaurant in Singapore in October, 1979. The starting wage at the first McDonald's in October, 1979, was S$1.00 per hour. $1/hour was fairly attractive back then.
Of I remember correctly, it was the 1st McD in the world to gross $1m a day.
 

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Though might be “cunning” still probably one of the the best pension system out there.

That Medisave to OA for under 55 happened to my OA/MA account for Jan 1 2023 postings post the 2022 interest postings. However my SA has not yet reached the 198K number for 2023 (few more thousands of $s and it will), though it already breached the 192K for 2022. Is that the reason why there was a Jan 1 2023 posting from my MA to OA?
 

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That Medisave to OA for under 55 happened to my OA/MA account for Jan 1 2023 postings post the 2022 interest postings. However my SA has not yet reached the 198K number for 2023 (few more thousands of $s and it will), though it already breached the 192K for 2022. Is that the reason why there was a Jan 1 2023 posting from my MA to OA?
i think it is based on 2022 FRS
 

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43 years old
OA - $64k
SA - $263K
MA - $68.5k

OA used for housing + accrued interests = $436k
OA transferred to wife's SA = $30K
OA lost due to investments = $10k (long time ago when i was young and just anyhow invest in shares).

total regrossed CPF = $871k+

likely will use $30k from OA to partial pay home this year, then use cash to fully redeem the housing loan too.
reaching my housing OA limit soon so no choice but to use cash for redemption.

come to think of it. 1M55 even without investments is achievable. just by slow and steady good old fashion work.
 

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likely will use $30k from OA to partial pay home this year, then use cash to fully redeem the housing loan too.
reaching my housing OA limit soon so no choice but to use cash for redemption.
FWIW I wouldn’t be in a rush to do this. Fixed deposit rates have cracked 4% — let’s assume 4.1% for 12 months at BOC — and 1 year fixed mortgage rates start around 4.25% (OCBC). Would I rush to grab ~15 basis points of interest rate spread? (And reduce liquidity?) No, I would not. I’d be kicking myself if (when?) mortgage interest rates come down below 2% and my OA dollars could be earning 2.5%, for example. It was possible to lock in 1.4% for 5 years not too long ago, and those borrowers are really happy now.

Singapore is just so weird this way. It’s as if nobody is looking at these rates. A fixed mortgage rate a mere 15 basis points above a comparable length fixed deposit rate just isn’t a cause for alarm.

Am I wrong?

On edit: CIMB is offering at least 4.15% on 12 month fixed deposits, so the spread is even narrower than I thought.🤔
 
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FWIW I wouldn’t be in a rush to do this. Fixed deposit rates have cracked 4% — let’s assume 4.1% for 12 months at BOC — and 1 year fixed mortgage rates start around 4.25% (OCBC). Would I rush to grab ~15 basis points of interest rate spread? (And reduce liquidity?) No, I would not. I’d be kicking myself if (when?) mortgage interest rates come down below 2% and my OA dollars could be earning 2.5%, for example. It was possible to lock in 1.4% for 5 years not too long ago, and those borrowers are really happy now.

Singapore is just so weird this way. It’s as if nobody is looking at these rates. A fixed mortgage rate a mere 15 basis points above a comparable length fixed deposit rate just isn’t a cause for alarm.

Am I wrong?

my fixed rate ending this year (in a couple of months time). haha.
my remaining home loan is not substantial. it won't really change anything for my finances.

honestly +-1% of any interest (short term) won't change my quality of life. it is not like i have >$10m.
few hundred thousand dollars 1% is chump change. short term 12 months type.

anything is possible in the future.

right now - RHB 5.5% to 7% deal is the best short term cash savings account that i have come across.
then why is everyone looking at measly 4% short term promotions to park cash.
 
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Late 30s
OA/SA/MA: 81,564 / 226,161 / 66,000
OA for housing: 88,317
Accrued interest: 10,751

I think 1M by 50 is very reachable.
Ur SA is high for late 30s.
I'm similar to your age and my SA 170+ only and i hit 6k salary at relatively young age.
But my OA is 400k..

So U must have transfer OA to SA???
 

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Ur SA is high for late 30s.
I'm similar to your age and my SA 170+ only and i hit 6k salary at relatively young age.
But my OA is 400k..

So U must have transfer OA to SA???
Your OA high is due to profits from property or investments?
 

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my fixed rate ending this year (in a couple of months time). haha.
my remaining home loan is not substantial. it won't really change anything for my finances.

honestly +-1% of any interest (short term) won't change my quality of life. it is not like i have >$10m.
few hundred thousand dollars 1% is chump change. short term 12 months type.

anything is possible in the future.

right now - RHB 5.5% to 7% deal is the best short term cash savings account that i have come across.
then why is everyone looking at measly 4% short term promotions to park cash.
I open account with RHB in early Nov. And my Nov statement and Dec statement showed 0.00 balance :p
 

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Your OA high is due to profits from property or investments?
I don't invest my OA.
It's from salary,housing grants, interests only.
Late 30s.
Last 5-8 years my bonuses hit the variable contribution cap so i think the compounding effect helped..
 

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Late 30s
OA/SA/MA: 81,564 / 226,161 / 66,000
OA for housing: 88,317
Accrued interest: 10,751

I think 1M by 50 is very reachable.

yep. in fact 1M50 should be pretty standard for decent salaried folks with continuous employment after graduation.
 
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