(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

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I'm very tempted to try the popcorn popper but from the videos I've seen there's a lot of smoke generated. Have to find a way to somehow vent it outside. Also risking concerned neighbors calling the fire brigade lol
 

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I enjoy drinking espresso but I'm so frustrated because I don't know if it's sour or acidic. :s13::s13::(:(
 

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Hi all the pros here..getting poisoned deep deep

So lets say it I wanna get a semi auto (kinda first timer - have a ENA3 collecting dust in storeroom)
Look through unwanted MO, got a slight inclination towards Brezza (Cos its Italian made).

Consumption not high,probably 1 cup a day or less only 3-4 on weekends, not worried about the ROI and stuff. Will probably be making more milk based as my 6 yr old like cappuccino.

I have a few unanswered questions hope to get some help here.
58mm Proprietry vs 61mm group head any major diff for first timer.

Grinder choice very new to this, since previous is a all in one ENA.

And lastly wat accessories do I need to get ontop of the machine to work out a budget about 3k in all?

THnx alot
 
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Hi all the pros here..getting poisoned deep deep

So lets say it I wanna get a semi auto (kinda first timer - have a ENA3 collecting dust in storeroom)
Look through unwanted MO, got a slight inclination towards Brezza (Cos its Italian made).

Consumption not high,probably 1 cup a day or less only 3-4 on weekends, not worried about the ROI and stuff. Will probably be making more milk based as my 6 yr old like cappuccino.

I have a few unanswered questions hope to get some help here.
58mm Proprietry vs 61mm group head any major diff for first timer.

Grinder choice very new to this, since previous is a all in one ENA.

And lastly wat accessories do I need to get ontop of the machine to work out a budget about 3k in all?

THnx alot

Basically put $ on the grinder and then the machine. Also, remember the machine is the accessory to the grinder, not vice-versa.

Specific recommendations I let the experts here recommend.
 

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Actually you can't be spending for a grinder more than the machine.
Nowadays, 40+mm and above espresso grinders are pretty decent.

People were advocating others to buy better grinders because way back people were buying those crap grinders to match their high end semi professional machines.

Alot of the grinders out there, those with huge hoppers and large conic burrs are more for full commercial or even industrial use.
You will get a backfire for using at home.

Just spend adequately imo
 

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I have a few unanswered questions hope to get some help here.
58mm Proprietry vs 61mm group head any major diff for first timer.

Grinder choice very new to this, since previous is a all in one ENA.

And lastly wat accessories do I need to get ontop of the machine to work out a budget about 3k in all?

THnx alot

First of all, you're confused about the groupheads and that's fine. There's no 61mm grouphead. It's call a E61 grouphead and the size is 58mm. It was named E61 coz it was invented in 1961. And yes I would recommend the E61.

Second of all, choose your grinder carefully. Your choice of grinder will greatly influence your workflow. I won't go into details here but in general, if you want less hassle, go for a on-demand-grinder. If you don't mind spending some time and elbow grease, a manual will do wonders.

Accessories. For starters, a good tamper, a scale, a timer, a brush, milk jug.
And fresh beans always.
 

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healsio-ocha-presso-tea-machine-matcha-maker-1.jpg


tea maker anyone~?

looks great. with a mill to grind the tea leaves first. for hardcore matcha drinkers i guess.
 

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I enjoy drinking espresso but I'm so frustrated because I don't know if it's sour or acidic. :s13::s13::(:(

my own personal take..... Sourness is one dimensional. acidity may include other aspects like mouthfeel, fizziness, dryness (astringency), saltiness and maybe even aroma and also includes some sourness to it.

So when someone describes it as acidic then its sour with some other hints of other elements.

Plain or overwhelming sourness is to be avoided in espresso cuz its generally undesirable, lacks complexity or at least not very interesting. :s22:
 

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First of all, you're confused about the groupheads and that's fine. There's no 61mm grouphead. It's call a E61 grouphead and the size is 58mm. It was named E61 coz it was invented in 1961. And yes I would recommend the E61.

Second of all, choose your grinder carefully. Your choice of grinder will greatly influence your workflow. I won't go into details here but in general, if you want less hassle, go for a on-demand-grinder. If you don't mind spending some time and elbow grease, a manual will do wonders.

Accessories. For starters, a good tamper, a scale, a timer, a brush, milk jug.
And fresh beans always.

:s13::s13: actually ur Lelita frightnened me.

Nothing much about Bezzera BB005 on the MO , I like the 250g hob + SSteel finish but worried about cleaning up and the left over inside very very little information on google.

Besides I have access to vaccum pack machines at work place.
 

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Hi all the pros here..getting poisoned deep deep

So lets say it I wanna get a semi auto (kinda first timer - have a ENA3 collecting dust in storeroom)
Look through unwanted MO, got a slight inclination towards Brezza (Cos its Italian made).

Consumption not high,probably 1 cup a day or less only 3-4 on weekends, not worried about the ROI and stuff. Will probably be making more milk based as my 6 yr old like cappuccino.

I have a few unanswered questions hope to get some help here.
58mm Proprietry vs 61mm group head any major diff for first timer.

Grinder choice very new to this, since previous is a all in one ENA.

And lastly wat accessories do I need to get of the machine to work out a budget about 3k in all?

THnx alot

I'm selfishly tempted to advice u to get a slayer, bosco, londinium, versuvius, gs3, hydra, musica or cremina so you can share with us your 1st hand inputs on a machine i think none of us here have. (so I may consider buying it for a future purchase. =:p)

But seriously I think with your budget alot of options are open to you. may even want to consider 2nd hand market as alot of bros here may want to sell away some stuff after acquiring new ones.

If u are just making one espresso a day I'll say just get a single boiler PID. If steaming to make more milk drinks is important to you then get a HX at least. Test out the demo machines so that u know which machine are u most comfortable with. SOme machines are 4 hole, some 2 hole some 1 hole tip and they all need slightly different techniques to get the best results. Most higher end ones can change the tips but its good to know which one will initially gets u the best results.

For noobs, personally I feel the vendor who offers u the best intro or demo to their machine, lots of hands on and instructional on how to use and maintain it properly and reliable after sales service takes the cake rather than one that offers the cheapest or fanciest machine. (hint hint to all vendors out there).

If you are already comfy with basic espresso brewing then u can delve into the minutiae of the different machines. There are differences even between similar looking e61 machines and to me I feel they are significant but of course you are free to disagree.

For grinder i would say get at least a 58mm burr size. It may not be the bigger burr size per se that gets better results but generally bigger burr set means a more pro level grinder with commercial level motor and other quality parts that should last longer. I used a delonghi first and upgraded to a rocky, a compak k3t and now using a HG one. I'll buy a HG one again in a heartbeat if its broken but i'll never go back to the other grinders i've used before. I feel i'm able to get more consistency with the HG one and waste less grounds but your needs might dictate that you get an electric to make more drinks and grind faster for your kids waiting to go to school.

I've not heard of a 61mm filter basket. Maybe u are refering to the e61 groupheap. 58mm is the most common while the smaller ones are found esp on lever machines.

Gd luck!
 

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I think almost all e61 style groups use the 58mm filter baskets.

Hm.. I think I should rephrase again bah

Some machines say the have 58mm propritery group head
Vs a normal e61

Is it just fanciful innovation which makes parts and accessories limited to own branding type of things?



Any bezzera expert here correct me if i'm wrong. Bezzera is using e61 and their proprietary group head. Their E61 is very similar with most standard e61, has a thermosyphon to cycle water from the boiler to heat the grouphead and a preinfusion chamber which are the hallmarks of the original e61.

Their proprietary grouphead is using a heating circuit controlled by a thermostat to heat the grouphead instead of a thermosyhon. I don't think there is a preinfusion chamber.



*did some back reading and saw this...Thnx.i think this is probably what I look for.
 
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