(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

[alim218]

Brezzera Magica with PID

hi guys very interesting forum. just curious Brezzera Magica with PID worth buying? I know little to nothing about brewing an espresso but i hope to learn.

 

[wook2000]

I guess the Smart Grinder Pro doesn't make the cut. Does it need to be stepless? Is the Lelit PL53 better?

For Espresso, stepless is a must, take a look at the niche grinder, fits all the criteria of a good home grinder.

-zero retention
-easy single dosing
-easy to change settings from espresso to brew
-very good grind quality.

The lelit PL53 has too much retention and dialing in can be a pain in the arse.

 

[wook2000]

hi guys very interesting forum. just curious Brezzera Magica with PID worth buying? I know little to nothing about brewing an espresso but i hope to learn.

Start budgeting with getting a good grinder first, from there choose ur espresso machine

 

[wook2000]

i was looking at the bundle from FCC with the BB005 grinder. I think that's ok?

Thanks for reply.

I would try to avoid the BB005 grinder, too much retention, hard to dial in, not worth the price.

Bite the bullet and get the Niche as ur first grinder, will save you alot of frustrations. I am not too sure if they currently ship to SG, I believe now they have a SEA distributor, just email them and ask.

 

[alim218]

I would try to avoid the BB005 grinder, too much retention, hard to dial in, not worth the price.

Bite the bullet and get the Niche as ur first grinder, will save you alot of frustrations. I am not too sure if they currently ship to SG, I believe now they have a SEA distributor, just email them and ask.

hi thanks for reply. Im looking at the FCC package for Bezzera with BB005 grinder. Otherwise wat grinder do u recommend? i understand wat u meant by hassle to dial in the correct coarse level of the coffee powder. but i guess thats more like just trial and error.

 

[wook2000]

hi thanks for reply. Im looking at the FCC package for Bezzera with BB005 grinder. Otherwise wat grinder do u recommend? i understand wat u meant by hassle to dial in the correct coarse level of the coffee powder. but i guess thats more like just trial and error.

Take a look at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/niche-zero-the-best-conical-burr-coffee-grinder#/ , email them privately for shipping to SG.

A good grinder is more than just making the dial in phase easier.. There is retention issues and single dosing issues to also overcome. The BB005 is retention monster, easily 5 g stuck in the chute, which means alot of beans wastage for each grind adjustment and change of bean type.

 

[alim218]

thanks for reply. will check them out. how about quamar Q and M series?

also, magica with pid should be ok? any other machines u would recommend? I wanted rocket appartmento but i dont really wanna pay premium for the looks. Im guessing magica with pid has more function and helpful gauges.

 

[alim218]

what is the tech support like for niche zero?

will it be difficult to service?

 

[bikoyski]

Going the 2nd hand route.

Rocky for $275 or MD40 for $300?

 

[wook2000]

Niche zero I think has a one year warranty. But you need to send back. The grinder is very simple design wise, hard to imagine any problems with it. I been using mine daily and throwing it in the bag and bringing around no issues. It's just a motor with an on/off switch.

You should be fine with the magica pid. It's an e61 group head, very tested and proven.

 

[alim218]

Niche zero I think has a one year warranty. But you need to send back. The grinder is very simple design wise, hard to imagine any problems with it. I been using mine daily and throwing it in the bag and bringing around no issues. It's just a motor with an on/off switch.

You should be fine with the magica pid. It's an e61 group head, very tested and proven.

thanks for reply. Also i was looking at La Marzoco Linea Mini. Why is it significantly more expensive than Magica? I am seriously considering between these two.

For grinder i think i will go with Baratza Sette 270. it has low retention too.

 

[compuser]

Take a look at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/niche-zero-the-best-conical-burr-coffee-grinder#/ , email them privately for shipping to SG.

A good grinder is more than just making the dial in phase easier.. There is retention issues and single dosing issues to also overcome. The BB005 is retention monster, easily 5 g stuck in the chute, which means alot of beans wastage for each grind adjustment and change of bean type.

I measure my 3 years old BB005 every morning, I measured 15g in, everytime abt 14.x out.

How u get 5g?

 

[compuser]

thanks for reply. will check them out. how about quamar Q and M series?

also, magica with pid should be ok? any other machines u would recommend? I wanted rocket appartmento but i dont really wanna pay premium for the looks. Im guessing magica with pid has more function and helpful gauges.

For your budget, I think you can streamline to a few models first.
I will pick the most known reliable one.

Grinders do a lot of work and meet a lot of resistance while doing its job. You won't want one that spoilt that easily.

It's something you can't see from just the specs.

 

[alim218]

For your budget, I think you can streamline to a few models first.
I will pick the most known reliable one.

Grinders do a lot of work and meet a lot of resistance while doing its job. You won't want one that spoilt that easily.

It's something you can't see from just the specs.

hi compuser thanks for your reply. how about La Marzoco Linea Mini vs Magica with PID?

I understand most cafes probably have La Marzocco, it's double boiler which can make espresso and froth milk (Magica can too right). I cant tell whats the difference? I mean if it's really that good in terms of durability and getting most of flavour out of coffee bean, i think it's okay to invest in a good machine. Also i think La Marzoco has pre-infusing which Magica doesnt have (some say pre-infusing is some gimmick). what's ur take please?

 

[wook2000]

I measure my 3 years old BB005 every morning, I measured 15g in, everytime abt 14.x out.

How u get 5g?

Retention is measured by the amount of stale grinds stuck within the grinder, if you take off the metal chute cap, you will see a large amount of grind stuck there, these grinds will mix with ur new grinds whenever you use the grinder.

The exit chute of the BB is too large, thus storing too much stale grounds.

If you completely clean up the grinder and exit chute, measure 15g and grind. Weight the output, the difference will be the retention.

Alternatively you can mod it https://www.kaffee-netz.de/threads/...einigungsfreundlicher-auswurf-3d-druck.95012/

Leave the exit chute open, so after each grind you can use a small brush to completely wipe out the retention.

 

[wook2000]

thanks for reply. Also i was looking at La Marzoco Linea Mini. Why is it significantly more expensive than Magica? I am seriously considering between these two.

For grinder i think i will go with Baratza Sette 270. it has low retention too.

The Sette unfortunately also has retention issues, they get stuck between the burrs and the hopper.

If you are just starting out and have the budget for the LM mini, i would use that budget to get a better built grinder.

Buying the LM mini is like buying a piece of history, the built quality is top notch + design + branding therefore its priced much higher. There is also alot of design difference between the LM and E61 to achieve thermal stability. Both also have preinfusion, but unfortunately both are none adjustable.

If you have the budget for the LM, i would recommend you the Lelit Bianca instead. Dual boiler + more importantly it has flow control which opens up endless shot possibilities.

 

[wook2000]

If talking about the chute, the one for a mazzer as I assume shouldn't be anything much smaller.

I have this habit of knocking the chute and everything drops out. The thing about this versus my previous 2nd hand mazzer is, at least I can knock this out. Tbh I don't feel any difference irl or experience 5g of retention in every cup as described. I don't dismantle and clean everyday though, infact never once.

I might use two blends of different roast with different shades to identity the significance. But I remember I did once and couldn't find anything conclusive.

I will report back if I have the chance.

You should do a clean up once in awhile, the first time i did a clean up and opened the chute for the BB005, i sold it off immediately. The whole exit chute is filled with compacted stale grounds which no way can be knocked away.

The mazzer is slightly easier to mod, you can remove the static screen to have easy access to the chute, the BB is more tricky because if you grind without the chute cap, the grounds will get into the motor.

 

[compuser]

hi compuser thanks for your reply. how about La Marzoco Linea Mini vs Magica with PID?

I understand most cafes probably have La Marzocco, it's double boiler which can make espresso and froth milk (Magica can too right). I cant tell whats the difference? I mean if it's really that good in terms of durability and getting most of flavour out of coffee bean, i think it's okay to invest in a good machine. Also i think La Marzoco has pre-infusing which Magica doesnt have (some say pre-infusing is some gimmick). what's ur take please?

I'm not any expert or claim to be one. Why not make a few visits to try out then make any decisions. Nobody here handled many machines for long to give comments that are ripe.

I think end result still lie in your beans. Nowadays I pay more attention to the condition of my coffee than my machines.

 

[compuser]

You should do a clean up once in awhile, the first time i did a clean up and opened the chute for the BB005, i sold it off immediately. The whole exit chute is filled with compacted stale grounds which no way can be knocked away.

The mazzer is slightly easier to mod, you can remove the static screen to have easy access to the chute, the BB is more tricky because if you grind without the chute cap, the grounds will get into the motor.

If the chute is the concern, there's one screw which you can remove and you can vacuum that out. That I do, sometimes, which is why I knock at the end. Good enough.

My mazzer had a huge funnel. Reaching that same corner which you are entirely concern of, would take me more than a screw effort for sure. I sold that off, not because of retention though. It died.

I would probably stick to a hand grinder if that's my tender part. They are as durable as my hands can go.

 

[alim218]

The Sette unfortunately also has retention issues, they get stuck between the burrs and the hopper.

If you are just starting out and have the budget for the LM mini, i would use that budget to get a better built grinder.

Buying the LM mini is like buying a piece of history, the built quality is top notch + design + branding therefore its priced much higher. There is also alot of design difference between the LM and E61 to achieve thermal stability. Both also have preinfusion, but unfortunately both are none adjustable.

If you have the budget for the LM, i would recommend you the Lelit Bianca instead. Dual boiler + more importantly it has flow control which opens up endless shot possibilities.

hi Wook2000. thanks for the recommendation. I will definitely look at Lelit Bianca. Very cool way of manual control profile. I thought only LM has this! very interesting! i was also looking at Rocket Mozzafiato Evoluzione R with PID in matte black. Lelit Bianca is now no. 1 on my consideration list. very good digital display with so many different options.


I've decided i will go with Eureka Mignon specialita for grinder.